Life After Brexit

[david63]

the Green Shield Stamps that they were producing at that time had to be seen to be believed

Didn't you need about 10,000 for a free box of Keefies chocolates?

[Manoverboard]

the Green Shield Stamps that they were producing at that time had to be seen to be believed

Didn't you need about 10,000 for a free box of Keefies chocolates?

Quite likely .... there were 20+ million at DLR but we couldn't get anywhere near them

[Onelife]

the Green Shield Stamps that they were producing at that time had to be seen to be believed

Didn't you need about 10,000 for a free box of Keefies chocolates?

Someone needs ‘stamp’ theses malicious rumours outs…just saying!

[Mervyn and Trish]

TM could have cited national security and kept the work at De La Rue who made them for years.
They lost the contract purely on price and have since laid people off.
As I said, the company that won the contract have since subbed out to a Polish company employing low paid Ukrainians.
That’s the Globalist EU for you.
Why do you think Ford moved production to Eastern Europe?
Level playing field my ****

Probably so, but then Theresa wouldn't say boo to a goose. If Bojo had been in charge I think the outcome would have been different.

[towny44]

TM could have cited national security and kept the work at De La Rue who made them for years.
They lost the contract purely on price and have since laid people off.
As I said, the company that won the contract have since subbed out to a Polish company employing low paid Ukrainians.
That’s the Globalist EU for you.
Why do you think Ford moved production to Eastern Europe?
Level playing field my ****

Probably so, but then Theresa wouldn't say boo to a goose. If Bojo had been in charge I think the outcome would have been different.

So was it Bojos fault for bottling it in 2017, or Michael Gove's for giving him the excuse not to stand?

[Gill W]

As Johnson ran his entire election campaign on the basis of there being an oven ready deal, I think there’ll be an awful lot of people out there who will bemused if there is no deal in place when the transition period ends in six months time.

Did he? Since you say he ran his entire campaign on this basis I presume it must have been in the manifesto. Can you tell me where you found it?
My understanding is he ran the campaign on getting us out of the EU with or without a deal so this is news to me.

He said 'oven ready deal' at every opportunity. It didn't matter what was in the manifesto, as he doesn't do details, only soundbites. And the people he was talking to weren't going to read the manifesto, they were only going to listen to the sound bite, and believe that the 'oven ready deal' would sort everything.

[Gill W]

As Johnson ran his entire election campaign on the basis of there being an oven ready deal, I think there’ll be an awful lot of people out there who will bemused if there is no deal in place when the transition period ends in six months time.

Did he? Since you say he ran his entire campaign on this basis I presume it must have been in the manifesto. Can you tell me where you found it?
My understanding is he ran the campaign on getting us out of the EU with or without a deal so this is news to me.

The oven ready was talking about the Withdrawal Agreement not a trade deal.
You are correct as usual Foxy

I think it’s increasingly looking like an agreement will not be reached unless both sides move a bit.
National sovereignty dictates that the U.K. cannot sign a no regression pact as it would tie the hands of any future government for ever.
We can move on fishing, for example agreeing a three or five year deal.
ECJ is the toughest one. I cannot see movement on that.
We could never allow a foreign court to over rule our own.

You know that and I know that.

But the people he was talking to will think the deal sorted everything.

When they realise, they might not be very happy

[barney]

I do honestly feel that if leaving the Eu had have been handled differently from the start, it would have been over years ago.
The minute TM agreed to start the WA discussion, it was destined to drag on.
If there was going to be no deal, that could have been done years ago.

[towny44]

Did he? Since you say he ran his entire campaign on this basis I presume it must have been in the manifesto. Can you tell me where you found it?
My understanding is he ran the campaign on getting us out of the EU with or without a deal so this is news to me.

The oven ready was talking about the Withdrawal Agreement not a trade deal.
You are correct as usual Foxy

I think it’s increasingly looking like an agreement will not be reached unless both sides move a bit.
National sovereignty dictates that the U.K. cannot sign a no regression pact as it would tie the hands of any future government for ever.
We can move on fishing, for example agreeing a three or five year deal.
ECJ is the toughest one. I cannot see movement on that.
We could never allow a foreign court to over rule our own.

You know that and I know that.

But the people he was talking to will think the deal sorted everything.

When they realise, they might not be very happy

That's a rather condescending comment Gill.

[Gill W]

The oven ready was talking about the Withdrawal Agreement not a trade deal.
You are correct as usual Foxy

I think it’s increasingly looking like an agreement will not be reached unless both sides move a bit.
National sovereignty dictates that the U.K. cannot sign a no regression pact as it would tie the hands of any future government for ever.
We can move on fishing, for example agreeing a three or five year deal.
ECJ is the toughest one. I cannot see movement on that.
We could never allow a foreign court to over rule our own.

You know that and I know that.

But the people he was talking to will think the deal sorted everything.

When they realise, they might not be very happy

That's a rather condescending comment Gill.

Maybe, but judging from what we've seen over the last few weeks, some people aren't that bright.

[Onelife]

I do honestly feel that if leaving the Eu had have been handled differently from the start, it would have been over years ago.
The minute TM agreed to start the WA discussion, it was destined to drag on.
If there was going to be no deal, that could have been done years ago.

Theresa May did all the donkey work in what was a perfectly awful situation not of her making…..it wouldn’t have mattered what deal she went for, whether is was a watered-down version or a no deal.The remoaner hounds would have found ways to prolong this countries agony whichever way she went. The only reason Boris was able to ride in on his white charger is that she had done 95% of the work. Yes, she made mistakes, but as Boris is continually saying “mistakes are inevitable when you are dealing with the unknown” she’ the lovely Theresa was on a hiding to nothing having had to negotiate with her hands firmly tied behind her back.

The lady did well in what was a minefield of pathetic undemocratic whingers.

I must start thinking about what I’m buying her for her Birthday.

[screwy]

Well don’t get her a ticket to the ‘Policemen’s Ball’

Mind you, she would probably be on her own.!

[barney]

I do honestly feel that if leaving the Eu had have been handled differently from the start, it would have been over years ago.
The minute TM agreed to start the WA discussion, it was destined to drag on.
If there was going to be no deal, that could have been done years ago.

Theresa May did all the donkey work in what was a perfectly awful situation not of her making…..it wouldn’t have mattered what deal she went for, whether is was a watered-down version or a no deal.The remoaner hounds would have found ways to prolong this countries agony whichever way she went. The only reason Boris was able to ride in on his white charger is that she had done 95% of the work. Yes, she made mistakes, but as Boris is continually saying “mistakes are inevitable when you are dealing with the unknown” she’ the lovely Theresa was on a hiding to nothing having had to negotiate with her hands firmly tied behind her back.

The lady did well in what was a minefield of pathetic undemocratic whingers.

I must start thinking about what I’m buying her for her Birthday.

I love a guy with a sense of humour

[barney]

Japan and the U.K. are very close to signing up the continuity trade deal that some said could never happen.
Canada continuity deal next
Virtually every trade agreement that the Eu had around the world signed up, has now been mirrored.
Just the Eu deal to go.

[Onelife]

Japan and the U.K. are very close to signing up the continuity trade deal that some said could never happen.
Canada continuity deal next
Virtually every trade agreement that the Eu had around the world signed up, has now been mirrored.
Just the Eu deal to go.

Hi Barney…out of every disaster (covid) comes hope, with this in mind I think quickly negotiated trade deals will be in everyone’s interest.

[Manoverboard]

Including that nice man Mr Barnier presumably ....

[barney]

To be fair to Barnier, he is acting on the mandate he has been given by the EU Council.
He has little flexibility but can make recommendations.
He must find it quite frustrating.
As in any negotiation, you always ask for much more than you will accept.
That applies to both sides.
Where this is now different is that this government isn’t looking for the same level as the previous one.
So, basically, the Eu will say that we can’t have something and the U.K. side are saying ok, we can live with that .
It’s thrown them a bit.

I was watching Euronews last week and an Eu official was saying that the U.K. wants to remain in the common market and the U.K. guy responded, no we don’t.
They are still not reading each other correctly.

Fishing is a good point.
The Eu want things to stay exactly as they are.
The U.K. accept that the fishing rights are negotiable but cannot remain exactly the same.
So, a negotiation is necessary.
It appears so far that under instruction, Barnier cannot negotiate on this because certain Eu nations have said that this is not negotiable.
It’s existing access or no deal on anything as far as they are concerned .
If there ends up being no deal, it will be on them, not us.
As I said about a year ago, I think there will be a very low key, loose deal with many things being negotiated for years to come.
The Eu wants one over arching agreement covering everything.
The U.K. just wants a trade deal.

[Manoverboard]

The state of the economy for all 28 of us will surely sharpen minds and a trade deal will logically follow, albeit at the eleventh hour .

Without understanding the finer points I find fishing interesting in that UK fishermen land tonnes of fish that there is little demand for yet are able to sell them at good prices at auctions to the Spanish and French. Also, many years ago we lost many of our UK fishing permits to the EU so will they keep them or will the permits of that period be nullified I wonder ?

[barney]

I think that the fishing will start again from scratch. British fishermen need access to the Europe market and they want our fish.
It should be pretty easy to resolve but from what I’ve read, France is saying the status quo or nothing and we’ve said, okay, nothing.
A sensible negotiation should not be too difficult as soon as they understand that things have changed.
I was reading that Ireland have come to an understanding about not holding up their trucks at continental ports. They will go straight through the green channel while ours will be liable to customs checks.
One thing they haven’t agreed is to use the U.K. as a land bridge.
That’s down to us how that works.
I’m sure that we will be reasonable but they should not take access as a given.
There may be a price to pay and if ours trucks are held up in Dover, then so will theirs.
There is a lot to play for.

[Clophill4]

The French fisherman never seem to accept what their government agrees to so I would expect "Fish Wars" to break out anyway

[towny44]

The French fisherman never seem to accept what their government agrees to so I would expect "Fish Wars" to break out anyway

Dover and Calais under blockade then, or will it too cold for them in December?

[Mervyn and Trish]

Funny isn't it? When our government listens to other people and reacts to their views the media calls it a U turn.

When the EU does so they call it a change of tack or a change in position.

Different choice of language gives a different slant on the same behaviour.

[barney]

Funny isn't it? When our government listens to other people and reacts to their views the media calls it a U turn.

When the EU does so they call it a change of tack or a change in position.

Different choice of language gives a different slant on the same behaviour.

Seems weird to me that the EU have constantly said that you can’t leave and expect things to be the same, then tell us that they expect things to be the same.
The U.K. is happy to negotiate on fishing rights but they insist on the status quo and will not even discuss change.
The U.K. declares it’s rights as a sovereign nation to decide our own policies and the Eu wants things to stay as they are.
A nice bit of cakeism if you ask me.
Even the most passionate Europhile would admit that their method is confusing.
It’s almost as if their plan was no deal all along while trying to blame the U.K. for intransigence.

[oldbluefox]

Funny isn't it? When our government listens to other people and reacts to their views the media calls it a U turn.

When the EU does so they call it a change of tack or a change in position.

Different choice of language gives a different slant on the same behaviour.

The same happens on our favourite TV channel and on Sky. If Ms Sturgeon changes her mind she is being brave and is responding to the people's concerns. If our government do exactly the same it is termed as an embarrassing U turn.
And why is it that whatever any other country does is correct but anything the British government do is a disaster? I sometimes wonder if we would not all be better off if we passed over the reins of the country to the broadcasting stations since they seem to know the answer to everything!!
No wonder there is so much depression when all you hear from our media friends is doom and gloom. Even good news is finished off with an "ah but..........."

[Onelife]

I bet Boris is starting to understand what Theresa went through trying to negotiate with our European bullies…that being said, at least he hasn’t had to deal with a U.K. obstructive Europhile parliament.

I read something today where Barmier has said we can have control of our waters but not the fish in them…what’s he going to do… ‘shoo’ them all over to France?