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anniec wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 15:42
Gill W wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 15:29
I know I have spoken up for Sunak, though.
Without any hindsight whatsoever, I confidently predict his hero status won't last. Only a matter of time before he stops doling out dosh and starts trying to claw some back.
That paints our average voter as a very selfish individual Annie, unfortunately you may well be right.
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Manoverboard wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 16:43
Gill W wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 16:29
Agreeing with/disagreeing with and liking/disliking are two completely different things.

I might disagree with somebody but still like them.

If I don't 'like' someone, I normally don't reply at all !
Note to self " is it better to get a reply from ' Gill ' or to be ignored " :lol:

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Stephen wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 15:51
Hope she doesn't forget the muzzle.
There are times when I wish I could cock my leg over some of your posts :thumbup: :D

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anniec wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 15:42
Gill W wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 15:29
I know I have spoken up for Sunak, though.
Without any hindsight whatsoever, I confidently predict his hero status won't last. Only a matter of time before he stops doling out dosh and starts trying to claw some back.
Well, yes, only to be expected.

But I think he’s a rising star. With foresight, I think he’ll be the Tory party leader one day ( and PM, if they are in power)
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towny44 wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 17:01
anniec wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 15:42
Gill W wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 15:29
I know I have spoken up for Sunak, though.
Without any hindsight whatsoever, I confidently predict his hero status won't last. Only a matter of time before he stops doling out dosh and starts trying to claw some back.
That paints our average voter as a very selfish individual Annie, unfortunately you may well be right.
Spot on. Every voter, well 99%, vote for what's in it for them, not what's right for the country.

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towny44 wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 17:01
anniec wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 15:42
Gill W wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 15:29
I know I have spoken up for Sunak, though.
Without any hindsight whatsoever, I confidently predict his hero status won't last. Only a matter of time before he stops doling out dosh and starts trying to claw some back.
That paints our average voter as a very selfish individual Annie, unfortunately you may well be right.
It will be a fine balancing act John, and it’ll need to be seen to be done fairly if he has any chance of pulling it off….one way I would go is to increase vat on all none essential goods…I would take the national lottery back into state ownership and reduce the ticket price back to £1…I would means test child bennift…..I would try and close all avenues of tax evasion and set higher taxes for the grossly overpaid footballers, bankers etc….I would reintroduce a betting tax….

.... as for the more complicated fiscal claw back options I’m out of my depth, but I’m all ears should anyone wish to put some forward?

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Onelife wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 19:06
towny44 wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 17:01
anniec wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 15:42


Without any hindsight whatsoever, I confidently predict his hero status won't last. Only a matter of time before he stops doling out dosh and starts trying to claw some back.
That paints our average voter as a very selfish individual Annie, unfortunately you may well be right.
It will be a fine balancing act John, and it’ll need to be seen to be done fairly if he has any chance of pulling it off….one way I would go is to increase vat on all none essential goods…I would take the national lottery back into state ownership and reduce the ticket price back to £1…I would means test child bennift…..I would try and close all avenues of tax evasion and set higher taxes for the grossly overpaid footballers, bankers etc….I would reintroduce a betting tax….

.... as for the more complicated fiscal claw back options I’m out of my depth, but I’m all ears should anyone wish to put some forward?
Unfortunately Keith, a high tax regime and a thriving economy are totally incompatible however much you dress it up as being fairer.
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Onelife wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 19:06
I would take the national lottery back into state ownership
The National Lottery has never been in state ownership so it would be somewhat difficult to take it back.

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towny44 wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 20:28
Onelife wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 19:06
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That paints our average voter as a very selfish individual Annie, unfortunately you may well be right.
It will be a fine balancing act John, and it’ll need to be seen to be done fairly if he has any chance of pulling it off….one way I would go is to increase vat on all none essential goods…I would take the national lottery back into state ownership and reduce the ticket price back to £1…I would means test child bennift…..I would try and close all avenues of tax evasion and set higher taxes for the grossly overpaid footballers, bankers etc….I would reintroduce a betting tax….

.... as for the more complicated fiscal claw back options I’m out of my depth, but I’m all ears should anyone wish to put some forward?
Unfortunately Keith, a high tax regime and a thriving economy are totally incompatible however much you dress it up as being fairer.
Well we are certainly going to be in a position to test that theory out over the coming months/years. I’ve heard time and time again that higher taxes (for those on higher incomes) will be detrimental for a thriving economy. I’m not the brightest bulb on the porch but I can’t think why higher taxes for the top 10% will have any effect on the economy whatsoever. In fact, if we could recoup the tax that the top 10% should be paying, we could problem reduces the taxes on what the other 90% are paying.

I quite like Sunak and I hope under his chancellorship we are going to see a much fairer tax system...those that can pay more should pay, and I’m not particularly bothered how he goes about it, as long as it’s done fairly and without favour.

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Onelife wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 22:30
towny44 wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 20:28
Onelife wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 19:06


It will be a fine balancing act John, and it’ll need to be seen to be done fairly if he has any chance of pulling it off….one way I would go is to increase vat on all none essential goods…I would take the national lottery back into state ownership and reduce the ticket price back to £1…I would means test child bennift…..I would try and close all avenues of tax evasion and set higher taxes for the grossly overpaid footballers, bankers etc….I would reintroduce a betting tax….

.... as for the more complicated fiscal claw back options I’m out of my depth, but I’m all ears should anyone wish to put some forward?
Unfortunately Keith, a high tax regime and a thriving economy are totally incompatible however much you dress it up as being fairer.
Well we are certainly going to be in a position to test that theory out over the coming months/years. I’ve heard time and time again that higher taxes (for those on higher incomes) will be detrimental for a thriving economy. I’m not the brightest bulb on the porch but I can’t think why higher taxes for the top 10% will have any effect on the economy whatsoever. In fact, if we could recoup the tax that the top 10% should be paying, we could problem reduces the taxes on what the other 90% are paying.

I quite like Sunak and I hope under his chancellorship we are going to see a much fairer tax system...those that can pay more should pay, and I’m not particularly bothered how he goes about it, as long as it’s done fairly and without favour.
You might like to read this Keith.
You could try to double the number of times you milk your herd of cows, but believe me that would only result in less milk overall.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... al-studies
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david63 wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 21:51
Onelife wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 19:06
I would take the national lottery back into state ownership
The National Lottery has never been in state ownership so it would be somewhat difficult to take it back.
:thumbup: :clap:

Ultimate control of the UK National Lottery still resides with the UK Government and the UK Gambling Commission. The Gambling Commission has the power to award the license to another company or consortium, under a defined legal process.

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towny44 wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 22:41
Onelife wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 22:30
towny44 wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 20:28

Unfortunately Keith, a high tax regime and a thriving economy are totally incompatible however much you dress it up as being fairer.
Well we are certainly going to be in a position to test that theory out over the coming months/years. I’ve heard time and time again that higher taxes (for those on higher incomes) will be detrimental for a thriving economy. I’m not the brightest bulb on the porch but I can’t think why higher taxes for the top 10% will have any effect on the economy whatsoever. In fact, if we could recoup the tax that the top 10% should be paying, we could problem reduces the taxes on what the other 90% are paying.

I quite like Sunak and I hope under his chancellorship we are going to see a much fairer tax system...those that can pay more should pay, and I’m not particularly bothered how he goes about it, as long as it’s done fairly and without favour.
You might like to read this Keith.
You could try to double the number of times you milk your herd of cows, but believe me that would only result in less milk overall.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... al-studies
Well if they tax the other 9% the same way then the other 90% won’t have to pay sod all.

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Onelife wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 22:49
towny44 wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 22:41
Onelife wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 22:30


Well we are certainly going to be in a position to test that theory out over the coming months/years. I’ve heard time and time again that higher taxes (for those on higher incomes) will be detrimental for a thriving economy. I’m not the brightest bulb on the porch but I can’t think why higher taxes for the top 10% will have any effect on the economy whatsoever. In fact, if we could recoup the tax that the top 10% should be paying, we could problem reduces the taxes on what the other 90% are paying.

I quite like Sunak and I hope under his chancellorship we are going to see a much fairer tax system...those that can pay more should pay, and I’m not particularly bothered how he goes about it, as long as it’s done fairly and without favour.
You might like to read this Keith.
You could try to double the number of times you milk your herd of cows, but believe me that would only result in less milk overall.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... al-studies
Well if they tax the other 9% the same way then the other 90% won’t have to pay sod all.
https://www.patrickcannon.net/insights/ ... tatistics/

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Sunak is popular at the moment but, as others have said, will become less so when he goes up a gear or three to restore the economy, he is also a one trick pony and therefore unlikely to become PM unless or until he has a proven track record at the Ministerial level within other Government Departments.

ps ... I wouldn't vote for Comrade Onelife either :thumbdown:
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Manoverboard wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 08:01
Sunak is popular at the moment but, as others have said, will become less so when he goes up a gear or three to restore the economy, he is also a one trick pony and therefore unlikely to become PM unless or until he has a proven track record at the Ministerial level within other Government Departments.

ps ... I wouldn't vote for Comrade Onelife either :thumbdown:

Nor me. Keith the red. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw his hammer and sickle.
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Manoverboard wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 08:01
Sunak is popular at the moment but, as others have said, will become less so when he goes up a gear or three to restore the economy, he is also a one trick pony and therefore unlikely to become PM unless or until he has a proven track record at the Ministerial level within other Government Departments.

ps ... I wouldn't vote for Comrade Onelife either :thumbdown:
The problem for Rishi is that any other ministerial post would be seen as of lower status, and therefore a demotion.
Fortunately I imagine his intelligence is broadly based and when Boris goes he will be a leading contender.
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towny44 wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 08:06
Manoverboard wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 08:01
Sunak is popular at the moment but, as others have said, will become less so when he goes up a gear or three to restore the economy, he is also a one trick pony and therefore unlikely to become PM unless or until he has a proven track record at the Ministerial level within other Government Departments.

ps ... I wouldn't vote for Comrade Onelife either :thumbdown:
The problem for Rishi is that any other ministerial post would be seen as of lower status, and therefore a demotion.
Fortunately I imagine his intelligence is broadly based and when Boris goes he will be a leading contender.
He was, I would imagine, selected for his persona as well as his fiscal skills. I view him as ‘ a man of the moment ‘ but as good as he seems to be he has yet to sustain his popularity during an inevitable downturn. He also needs to establish a wider base if he wishes to climb that greasy ladder. There is also the small matter of securing support from his fellows when the voting starts and, as far as I know, there is no evidence to suggest that it would be forthcoming. For him to take over the Foreign Office albeit at a much later date would surely be a step up experience wise, it would even demonstrate a degree of humility on his part and he would probably keep his salary grade in any event if it suited his masters.
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Manoverboard wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 08:26
he would probably keep his salary grade
I doubt that would worry him as his father-in-law is an Indian billionaire

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Stephen wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 08:05
Manoverboard wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 08:01
Sunak is popular at the moment but, as others have said, will become less so when he goes up a gear or three to restore the economy, he is also a one trick pony and therefore unlikely to become PM unless or until he has a proven track record at the Ministerial level within other Government Departments.

ps ... I wouldn't vote for Comrade Onelife either :thumbdown:

Nor me. Keith the red. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw his hammer and sickle.
I would have said more Yellow.... but with the option of mixing it with blue on some issues.
Sadly l don't have a party where l'm comfortable hanging my hammer a sickle theses days.

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david63 wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 09:06
Manoverboard wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 08:26
he would probably keep his salary grade
I doubt that would worry him as his father-in-law is an Indian billionaire
Alright for some then ... but I much prefer to believe that he made it, and will continue to make it, through his own hard work and ability rather than being subbed an onion bhaji or six by his father-in-law ;) .
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Manoverboard wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 09:33
david63 wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 09:06
Manoverboard wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 08:26
he would probably keep his salary grade
I doubt that would worry him as his father-in-law is an Indian billionaire
Alright for some then ... but I much prefer to believe that he made it, and will continue to make it, through his own hard work and ability rather than being subbed an onion bhaji or six by his father-in-law ;) .
I wonder if such comments could be considered richist? :sarcasm:
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towny44 wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 09:54
Manoverboard wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 09:33
david63 wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 09:06
I doubt that would worry him as his father-in-law is an Indian billionaire
Alright for some then ... but I much prefer to believe that he made it, and will continue to make it, through his own hard work and ability rather than being subbed an onion bhaji or six by his father-in-law ;) .
I wonder if such comments could be considered richist? :sarcasm:
Not if he turns out to be whiter than white :oops:

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Onelife wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 09:10
I would have said more Yellow.... but with the option of mixing it with blue on some issues.
Sadly l don't have a party where l'm comfortable hanging my hammer a sickle theses days.
So would that be the wooly or otherwise Liberal Party or the Scaredy Cat Party ? :angel:
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So those who "had" to go on holiday the minute that restrictions were lifted are not happy that they will to have 14 days quarantine upon their return to the UK because Spain has peaks of new infections. Which bit of "live will not return to normal for a long time" did they miss? This is likely to be the new normal for the foreseeable future.

The part of this that amuses me is those saying that it should have been announced the previous day so that they would not have travelled - and what about those who travelled the previous day, should it have been announced the day prior to that?

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Manoverboard wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 10:59
Onelife wrote: 26 Jul 2020, 09:10
I would have said more Yellow.... but with the option of mixing it with blue on some issues.
Sadly l don't have a party where l'm comfortable hanging my hammer a sickle theses days.
So would that be the wooly or otherwise Liberal Party or the Scaredy Cat Party ? :angel:
I'm not answering that question unless l can have my solicitor present.....no point in giving you something to get your canines into.....woof! woof! Or should that be Squeak! Squeak! ;) :wave:

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