Current Affairs

[Manoverboard]

I however would also require a certificated test to prove that all of our fellow passengers had not had the virus at any stage even if they had never shown any of the recognised symptoms of the virus.

And how would you go about getting that?

Are you saying that if somebody has had the virus six months ago and they currently have no symptoms, as most of the population will show, that they cannot cruise?

Would they not have some immunity if they had previously had coronavirus? In that sense they would be a safer bet than those of us who have not had it.

In an ideal world and certainly one that I would require before setting off in a germ ridden ship ( remember Noro spread ) it would seem, to me, to be sensible to ensure that passengers are not carriers of the virus in spite of not showing any symptoms at the time of departure. At the moment there may not be a suitable test but I am sure there will be one in the pipeline. It may be the case that the ' jab ' will achieve the same end albeit we would be inclined to wait and see. I don't mind risking flu or Noro but this virus is simply a step too far. Everybody else can of couse cruise to their heart's content.

Bon voyage mes ami

[screwy]

So, Amnesty International say the UK deploying the Royal Navy to patrol the English Channel is Illegal.?
Sorry but is it not part of our defence, regardless of why they are patrolling.?

[towny44]

So, Amnesty International say the UK deploying the Royal Navy to patrol the English Channel is Illegal.?
Sorry but is it not part of our defence, regardless of why they are patrolling.?

These attempts to illegally enter the UK will be with us for as long as they continue to be successful, and the French will not want to help prevent them unless we begin to accept a reasonable share of the illegal immigrants arriving constantly throughout Europe.
If we agreed to take a fair proportion, who could be processed at their various arrival countries, then I feel sure that France would become fully committed in helping to stamp out the illegal routes across the channel.
The big question remains are we prepared to accept an equal responsibility to take in these immigrants along with the rest of Europe?

[Manoverboard]

We are not in the EU any more and ' their ' illegals are supposed to domicile in the first Country they enter. We should only accept those who are invited by UK inc because of their plight rather than because they fancy going to a Country who is daft enough to subsidise them for the rest of their lives.

[towny44]

We are not in the EU any more and ' their ' illegals are supposed to domicile in the first Country they enter. We should only accept those who are invited by UK inc because of their plight rather than because they fancy going to a Country who is daft enough to subsidise them for the rest of their lives.

Moby, this issue is above and beyond country borders, just because their first entry is to an EU country does not alter the fact that many of these illegals first choice is the UK. If we try to push the problem totally onto the EU then you can hardly expect any cooperation from the French.

[Mervyn and Trish]

We are not in the EU any more and ' their ' illegals are supposed to domicile in the first Country they enter. We should only accept those who are invited by UK inc because of their plight rather than because they fancy going to a Country who is daft enough to subsidise them for the rest of their lives.

Moby, this issue is above and beyond country borders, just because their first entry is to an EU country does not alter the fact that many of these illegals first choice is the UK. If we try to push the problem totally onto the EU then you can hardly expect any cooperation from the French.

If they're legitimately escaping persecution choice should not be an issue. This is not a holiday. They should be happy to have escaped, not be picky where to. And you said yourself they're illegals. Do we give native illegals brochures to choose their favourite prison?

My first choice is to be very wealthy living in a luxury villa in the sun. It ain't going to happen.

[towny44]

We are not in the EU any more and ' their ' illegals are supposed to domicile in the first Country they enter. We should only accept those who are invited by UK inc because of their plight rather than because they fancy going to a Country who is daft enough to subsidise them for the rest of their lives.

Moby, this issue is above and beyond country borders, just because their first entry is to an EU country does not alter the fact that many of these illegals first choice is the UK. If we try to push the problem totally onto the EU then you can hardly expect any cooperation from the French.

If they're legitimately escaping persecution choice should not be an issue. This is not a holiday. They should be happy to have escaped, not be picky where to.

My first choice is to be very wealthy living in a luxury villa in Monaco. It ain't going to happen.

Merv you and Moby are displaying a very selfish NIMBY type attitude to what is going to be an ongoing problem, for as long as there are such massive disparities in wealth between African, Middle Eastern and Western countries, along with high levels of corruption in the poorer countries.
We cannot bury our heads in the sand and expect the rest of Europe to tackle this issue alone.

[Manoverboard]

Moby, this issue is above and beyond country borders, just because their first entry is to an EU country does not alter the fact that many of these illegals first choice is the UK. If we try to push the problem totally onto the EU then you can hardly expect any cooperation from the French.

This issue is ' International ' and there isn't a choice to be made ... they remain in the EU full stop.

We have never had full co-operation from the French so we should round up their illegal boats and take them back to an agreed French Port or they won't be getting any of my fish ... OH NO !!

Apart from that the UK simply isn't big enough to house all the Middle Eastern and African peoples and especially not as we enter a period of recession where our own Nationals are going to suffer. Economic migration is for me totally unacceptable but I would welcome those who have suitable skills that mean they will be of value to the UK economy.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Moby, this issue is above and beyond country borders, just because their first entry is to an EU country does not alter the fact that many of these illegals first choice is the UK. If we try to push the problem totally onto the EU then you can hardly expect any cooperation from the French.

If they're legitimately escaping persecution choice should not be an issue. This is not a holiday. They should be happy to have escaped, not be picky where to.

My first choice is to be very wealthy living in a luxury villa in Monaco. It ain't going to happen.

Merv you and Moby are displaying a very selfish NIMBY type attitude to what is going to be an ongoing problem, for as long as there are such massive disparities in wealth between African, Middle Eastern and Western countries, along with high levels of corruption in the poorer countries.
We cannot bury our heads in the sand and expect the rest of Europe to tackle this issue alone.

Maybe it is selfish. So be it. I have no problem with legitimate asylum seekers going through established channels and if accepted living within our laws. I have a big problem with illegal economic migrants. I have a big problem with those who arrive and then disappear. I have a big problem with those who expect us to adopt their laws and culture. I have a massive problem with those who accept our hospitality then try to kill us. The latter may all be minorities. But if we are to accept asylum seekers it must be on a strict system where they are accommodated under lock and key, their cases are heard quickly and if they are bogus they are deported immediately. And it must be made clear there is no other way in. That may seem harsh but if they are genuinely in fear of their lives they will accept it.

[screwy]

The car Dawn Butler MP was travelling in as a passenger was stopped by Met Police. The first thing she did apparently, was to get her phone out and start filming,then telling the Officers that she is an MP.
She then makes claims that she was being ‘ Racially profiled’, while accepting that the Officers acted courteously. It was apparently a mistake made by the uploading of the reg number.
Why is it the first thing people do is ,go to their phone..? And say how important they are.....apart from the fact I find her a horrible,despicable woman...

[Onelife]

If they're legitimately escaping persecution choice should not be an issue. This is not a holiday. They should be happy to have escaped, not be picky where to.

My first choice is to be very wealthy living in a luxury villa in Monaco. It ain't going to happen.

Merv you and Moby are displaying a very selfish NIMBY type attitude to what is going to be an ongoing problem, for as long as there are such massive disparities in wealth between African, Middle Eastern and Western countries, along with high levels of corruption in the poorer countries.
We cannot bury our heads in the sand and expect the rest of Europe to tackle this issue alone.

Maybe it is selfish. So be it. I have no problem with legitimate asylum seekers going through established channels and if accepted living within our laws. I have a big problem with illegal economic migrants. I have a big problem with those who arrive and then disappear. I have a big problem with those who expect us to adopt their laws and culture. I have a massive problem with those who accept our hospitality then try to kill us. The latter may all be minorities. But if we are to accept asylum seekers it must be on a strict system where they are accommodated under lock and key, their cases are heard quickly and if they are bogus they are deported immediately. And it must be made clear there is no other way in. That may seem harsh but if they are genuinely in fear of their lives they will accept it.

I like posts that give no angle for reproach

[barney]

The car Dawn Butler MP was travelling in as a passenger was stopped by Met Police. The first thing she did apparently, was to get her phone out and start filming,then telling the Officers that she is an MP.
She then makes claims that she was being ‘ Racially profiled’, while accepting that the Officers acted courteously. It was apparently a mistake made by the uploading of the reg number.
Why is it the first thing people do is ,go to their phone..? And say how important they are.....apart from the fact I find her a horrible,despicable woman...

The question that needs an answer is WHY the police felt the need to check the number in the first place.
It appears that two black people in a nice car warrants investigation.
I was watching a documentary on the Real Thing last night and the main singer said that they get stopped at least once a month coming back from gigs.
If there is reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, then fine, but with no justification is pure racism.
Imagine how we would feel if we kept getting stopped when going about our business.
I’d be filming it as well.
And making a complaint.

[barney]

If they're legitimately escaping persecution choice should not be an issue. This is not a holiday. They should be happy to have escaped, not be picky where to.

My first choice is to be very wealthy living in a luxury villa in Monaco. It ain't going to happen.

Merv you and Moby are displaying a very selfish NIMBY type attitude to what is going to be an ongoing problem, for as long as there are such massive disparities in wealth between African, Middle Eastern and Western countries, along with high levels of corruption in the poorer countries.
We cannot bury our heads in the sand and expect the rest of Europe to tackle this issue alone.

Maybe it is selfish. So be it. I have no problem with legitimate asylum seekers going through established channels and if accepted living within our laws. I have a big problem with illegal economic migrants. I have a big problem with those who arrive and then disappear. I have a big problem with those who expect us to adopt their laws and culture. I have a massive problem with those who accept our hospitality then try to kill us. The latter may all be minorities. But if we are to accept asylum seekers it must be on a strict system where they are accommodated under lock and key, their cases are heard quickly and if they are bogus they are deported immediately. And it must be made clear there is no other way in. That may seem harsh but if they are genuinely in fear of their lives they will accept it.

A pretty simple solution could be to set up an asylum contact centre in Calais.
Anyone wishing to apply could do so from France and duly be processed through the application procedure.
If rejected, they stay where they are.
It should also be proclaimed that the legitimate procedure is available to all and anybody trying to arrive by clandestine measures will be automatically rejected.

[Onelife]

Could probably works on paper Barney but in reality, the French don’t want them neither do all the other countries which have allowed them to cross over their boarders.
……
As for paying the French more money to put in better controls

[Onelife]

The car Dawn Butler MP was travelling in as a passenger was stopped by Met Police. The first thing she did apparently, was to get her phone out and start filming,then telling the Officers that she is an MP.
She then makes claims that she was being ‘ Racially profiled’, while accepting that the Officers acted courteously. It was apparently a mistake made by the uploading of the reg number.
Why is it the first thing people do is ,go to their phone..? And say how important they are.....apart from the fact I find her a horrible,despicable woman...

The question that needs an answer is WHY the police felt the need to check the number in the first place.
It appears that two black people in a nice car warrants investigation.
I was watching a documentary on the Real Thing last night and the main singer said that they get stopped at least once a month coming back from gigs.
If there is reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, then fine, but with no justification is pure racism.
Imagine how we would feel if we kept getting stopped when going about our business.
I’d be filming it as well.
And making a complaint.

Whatever the rights or wrongs of this incident her condescending attitude leaves a lot to be desired.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Of course if it became forbidden to stop black people that would be racism in itself. Let's not forget some of the areas where stop and search is used it is because there is a major problem with drugs and violent crime. And in some of those areas the black population is the majority so it is ever likely the majority stopped will be. Nonetheless it is an issue that must be properly understood and stops must be properly justified.

[barney]

Intelligence driven stop and search is fine.
Random stopping of black people is racism.
Put yourself in their situation and see what you think.

[screwy]

They didn’t stop a car with 2 Black people.!
The driver was WHITE.....
So it wasn’t the passenger the Police pulled over but the White driver,so why did she feel the need to go all racial.?
The Police check a lot of registrations while following cars. They may even have checked out you and me...This was not racially motivated.

[barney]

They didn’t stop a car with 2 Black people.!
The driver was WHITE.....
So it wasn’t the passenger the Police pulled over but the White driver,so why did she feel the need to go all racial.?
The Police check a lot of registrations while following cars. They may even have checked out you and me...This was not racially motivated.

Sorry mate but you’ve fallen into the old conspiracy theory trap that often permeates internet traffic.
Her friend who was driving was most certainly black or he was the blackest looking white guy ever.
The racist trolls have been out in force trying to legitimise their theories but the simple fact remains that like her or loathe her, they were pulled over for no reason.
I’m sorry if this does not sit comfortably with the out and out racists but that’s the way it is.
I worked in security for over twenty years and if we acted like some in the Met, we would have had a lot of explaining to do.

[Manoverboard]

Sorry mate but you’ve fallen into the old conspiracy theory trap that often permeates internet traffic.
Her friend who was driving was most certainly black or he was the blackest looking white guy ever.
The racist trolls have been out in force trying to legitimise their theories but the simple fact remains that like her or loathe her, they were pulled over for no reason.
I’m sorry if this does not sit comfortably with the out and out racists but that’s the way it is.
I worked in security for over twenty years and if we acted like some in the Met, we would have had a lot of explaining to do.

As we regularly used to be when driving through Manchester in the smaller hours, we were returning home after a late shift and they had nothing better to do than to see if they could annoy somebody.

Black footballers claim they are stopped on a regulat basis and asked about the ownership of their, usually fast, cars. We were all white but were almost always stopped when driving in a black JP 3 litre Capri, policing by envy rather than racism in this example perhaps.

[barney]

One would have hoped that we’d moved on from the seventies.
Love thy neighbour
Till death us do part
Arrr. The good old days when you could be openly racist and be lauded for it.

Btw, I had a black JPS capri but it was nicked and stripped by travellers.

[Manoverboard]

One would have hoped that we’d moved on from the seventies.
Love thy neighbour
Till death us do part
Arrr. The good old days when you could be openly racist and be lauded for it.

Btw, I had a black JPS capri but it was nicked and stripped by travellers.

Plod had it away and you know it

We have moved on but not moved away from seeking a target during a boring patrol ... I would suggest.

[barney]

I don’t know who nicked it but I do know where it ended up.
It was found in woods near a place called Meopham.
I informed the insurance as it was not drivable and by the time they turned up, not much left.
Blooming shame as that was a great if somewhat difficult to drive car.
I had the good old bag of sand in the boot to keep the back down.

[Onelife]

I think the statistics show that Black people are more likely to be stopped but what rarely gets reported is that most of theses statistics come from areas such as Dawn Butlers constituency where black ethnicities far out way those of white. Car crime (nicking them) is a major problem in most areas and having had two cars nicked myself I certainly think stopping youngish people in posh cars is the way to go.

Btw…I also owned a ford Capri … black and gold which turned into a smokey grey overnight…. a mate of mine did some welding on it and went straight through the fuel line… anyone got a tissue .

[Manoverboard]

Btw…I also owned a ford Capri … black and gold which turned into a smokey grey overnight…. a mate of mine did some welding on it and went straight through the fuel line… anyone got a tissue .

Smokey Grey is real cool, man ... Delboy lime green is surely more your colour