Life After Brexit

[CaroleF]

I too know what I voted for and why. I was not programmed to think anything. I wanted the UK to regain its sovereignty, that to me was the most important thing, to make our own decisions and not be subjected to laws passed by Brussels. I can't believe people are still insisting that those of us who voted to Leave the EU that we didn't know what we voted for. Surely the time has come to accept that there was a democratic vote that voted in favour of leaving the EU. So now we have left the EU, whether it will be with a deal or without sounds, at the moment, that it is up to the EU to a great extent. Personally I think the EU don't realise they are dealing with a very different animal now. We are no longer a member state and we can't be told what we can or cannot do. I'm not going to enter into any long winded argument with anyone, that's my opinion.

Carole

[Ray Scully]

I too know what I voted for and why. I was not programmed to think anything. I wanted the UK to regain its sovereignty, that to me was the most important thing, to make our own decisions and not be subjected to laws passed by Brussels. I can't believe people are still insisting that those of us who voted to Leave the EU that we didn't know what we voted for. Surely the time has come to accept that there was a democratic vote that voted in favour of leaving the EU. So now we have left the EU, whether it will be with a deal or without sounds, at the moment, that it is up to the EU to a great extent. Personally I think the EU don't realise they are dealing with a very different animal now. We are no longer a member state and we can't be told what we can or cannot do. I'm not going to enter into any long winded argument with anyone, that's my opinion.

Carole

There is conflicting opinion as to whether people fully understood what they were voting for. One thing is for certain, we shall soon find out.

[Manoverboard]

There is conflicting opinion as to whether people fully understood what they were voting for. One thing is for certain, we shall soon find out.

Of course there is but who exactly is analysing our opinions, these are our own and do not need to be scrutinised by you or anybody else.

Did I personally understand every last detail ... of course not. Did I need to ... of course not. I got what I voted for and that was to leave the Federalised Monster that is the EU.

[towny44]

I too know what I voted for and why. I was not programmed to think anything. I wanted the UK to regain its sovereignty, that to me was the most important thing, to make our own decisions and not be subjected to laws passed by Brussels. I can't believe people are still insisting that those of us who voted to Leave the EU that we didn't know what we voted for. Surely the time has come to accept that there was a democratic vote that voted in favour of leaving the EU. So now we have left the EU, whether it will be with a deal or without sounds, at the moment, that it is up to the EU to a great extent. Personally I think the EU don't realise they are dealing with a very different animal now. We are no longer a member state and we can't be told what we can or cannot do. I'm not going to enter into any long winded argument with anyone, that's my opinion.

Carole

There is conflicting opinion as to whether people fully understood what they were voting for. One thing is for certain, we shall soon find out.

The only conflicting opinion is amongst remainers who fail to appreciate that not everyone is as gullible as them in believing that everything in the EU is wonderful.

[Ray Scully]

I too know what I voted for and why. I was not programmed to think anything. I wanted the UK to regain its sovereignty, that to me was the most important thing, to make our own decisions and not be subjected to laws passed by Brussels. I can't believe people are still insisting that those of us who voted to Leave the EU that we didn't know what we voted for. Surely the time has come to accept that there was a democratic vote that voted in favour of leaving the EU. So now we have left the EU, whether it will be with a deal or without sounds, at the moment, that it is up to the EU to a great extent. Personally I think the EU don't realise they are dealing with a very different animal now. We are no longer a member state and we can't be told what we can or cannot do. I'm not going to enter into any long winded argument with anyone, that's my opinion.

Carole

There is conflicting opinion as to whether people fully understood what they were voting for. One thing is for certain, we shall soon find out.

The only conflicting opinion is amongst remainers who fail to appreciate that not everyone is as gullible as them in believing that everything in the EU is wonderful.

Hmm John, well a few of my Leaver friends are getting a tad twitchy at the moment, fearful of the arrangement that could be agreed. One thing is for certain, there is NO certainty.

[barney]

Absolutely Ray.
There is little certainty where leaving the Eu is concerned.
What is certain is that we will not be chucking in billions for their much publicised covid bailout.
That little escapade would have cost us another £100 billion.
Bullet dodged ?

[Onelife]

BTW Merv, you are actually one of only 2 brexiteers, that I have come across (the other being on Quora), that at least tried to answer the questions and tried to justify brexit through genuine personal opinion (rather than simply regurgitate what the media told them to think). Maybe that is the 'Remain' element in you that allowed you to do so.

Sorry Modplods. You can move me now.

My promise to the forumites on this board ... this is my last word on this, it is hard to discuss things when it is obvious others are so invested in what they have been programmed to think that they are unwilling to have that view questioned. This promise is as genuine as the governments brexit promises to the people of the United Kingdom.

HI Ken, I for one always enjoy reading your posts even though we sit either side of the fence on this one. I do however agree with you in that there has been a certain amount of programming, this however, should be attributed to both campaign groups with, from some quarters some very questionable constitutional manoeuvres thrown in (some of which will/could have far reaching implications for future parliamentary proceedings).

So, on balance I think it’s even Stephens on which side used programming the most.

As far as what happens from here Brexiteers will have the comfort of being able to fall back on covid as the reason things haven’t moved forward as one would have hoped…if indeed that proves to be the case?

[Mervyn and Trish]

The arrogance of some Remainers in assuming those who voted Leave did so out of ignorance is simply breathtaking. We all had access to the same information. We all assessed it as we wished. We all voted. The end.

And for those who blame it all.on the Daily Mail around 15m more voted Leave than the Mail has readers. The success of the Mail isn't in leading opinion. It is listening to its readers and reflecting their views. Something politicians have failed to do for many years.

The people to blame for the Leave vote if it proves to be a disaster are the politicians who for years misread the mood of the electorate and only listened to their London chums.

[Mervyn and Trish]

BTW in the debate over who is to blame for the slow progress on negotiatons it was interesting to read several reports this morning that Barnier is being sidelined by EU leaders to get a deal done.

[david63]

I have said all along that the outcome for Brexit/no Brexit is, to a large extent, outside of anyone's control and world events will dictate what happens - and that was all before Covid.

Whatever negotiations take place, be it with the EU or any other country, the world is a totally different place than it was 12 months ago and a different approach will, out of necessity, have to adopted by all parties.

[Ray Scully]

I have said all along that the outcome for Brexit/no Brexit is, to a large extent, outside of anyone's control and world events will dictate what happens - and that was all before Covid.

Whatever negotiations take place, be it with the EU or any other country, the world is a totally different place than it was 12 months ago and a different approach will, out of necessity, have to adopted by all parties.

[barney]

I have said all along that the outcome for Brexit/no Brexit is, to a large extent, outside of anyone's control and world events will dictate what happens - and that was all before Covid.

Whatever negotiations take place, be it with the EU or any other country, the world is a totally different place than it was 12 months ago and a different approach will, out of necessity, have to adopted by all parties.

Wherever possible, any sensible business people have already factored it in David.
Deal or not, customs etc will be needed.
Any company that hasn’t made preparations deserve what they get as it can hardly come as a surprise.

[Ray Scully]

Any company that hasn’t made preparations deserve what they get as it can hardly come as a surprise.

Barney does this include all who lose their jobs in such a situation?

[barney]

Any company that hasn’t made preparations deserve what they get as it can hardly come as a surprise.

Barney does this include all who lose their jobs in such a situation?

Remainer rubbish Ray
Millions lose their job
House prices crash
So on and so on
What actually happened ?
If you can tell the future, then brilliant

Anything that now happens due to covid can be blamed on leaving the Eu
A remainers dream scenario.

[Ray Scully]

Any company that hasn’t made preparations deserve what they get as it can hardly come as a surprise.

Barney does this include all who lose their jobs in such a situation?

Remainer rubbish Ray
Millions lose their job
House prices crash
So on and so on
What actually happened ?
If you can tell the future, then brilliant

Anything that now happens due to covid can be blamed on leaving the Eu
A remainers dream scenario.

Anything that now happens due to leaving the Eu can be blamed on Covid
A leavers dream scenario.

[barney]

Barney does this include all who lose their jobs in such a situation?

Remainer rubbish Ray
Millions lose their job
House prices crash
So on and so on
What actually happened ?
If you can tell the future, then brilliant

Anything that now happens due to covid can be blamed on leaving the Eu
A remainers dream scenario.

Anything that now happens due to leaving the Eu can be blamed on Covid
A leavers dream scenario.

Touché

[barney]

So, the international trade deal that takes years and years to complete has been done with Japan in a matter of months.
Any Remoaners feeling pretty stupid today ?

[screwy]

A FREE trade deal at that...

[Manoverboard]

Therefore we should buy Japanese cars rather than French or Germany variants

[oldbluefox]

So, the international trade deal that takes years and years to complete has been done with Japan in a matter of months.
Any Remoaners feeling pretty stupid today ?

I'm waiting for the 'arbuts'!!!

[Gill W]

From the deadly silence on here regarding the trashing of our international reputation, I have a suspicion it’s not ‘Remoaners’ feeling stupid.

[screwy]

So, the international trade deal that takes years and years to complete has been done with Japan in a matter of months.
Any Remoaners feeling pretty stupid today ?

I'm waiting for the 'arbuts'!!!

And bang on Q.

[towny44]

From the deadly silence on here regarding the trashing of our international reputation, I have a suspicion it’s not ‘Remoaners’ feeling stupid.

Good to welcome you back Gill, TBH a bit of negativity regarding our international reputation might be very welcome, if it results in fewer illegal immigrants thinking the UK is the land of milk and honey.
But I do wonder if the UK Internal market bill is a bit of a stalking horse, to be given up if the EU drop their fishing and state aid objections, which seem to be the only things blocking a free trade deal.

[Manoverboard]

From the deadly silence on here regarding the trashing of our international reputation, I have a suspicion it’s not ‘Remoaners’ feeling stupid.

Good to welcome you back Gill, TBH a bit of negativity regarding our international reputation might be very welcome, if it results in fewer illegal immigrants thinking the UK is the land of milk and honey.
But I do wonder if the UK Internal market bill is a bit of a stalking horse, to be given up if the EU drop their fishing and state aid objections, which seem to be the only things blocking a free trade deal.

That was also my thinking on that particular manoeuvre as I doubt very much that any serious movement will be made regarding fishing and state aid issues.

ps .... hello and welcome back Gill

[Ray Scully]

From the deadly silence on here regarding the trashing of our international reputation, I have a suspicion it’s not ‘Remoaners’ feeling stupid.

Or perhaps Gill there busy completing their applications for Covid Marshall