Life After Brexit

[oldbluefox]

Boris won the election specifically on a promise of taking us out of the EU. So far he has lived up to that promise despite the attempts by the losers to disrupt and delay the process.

[Gill W]

I’m personally hoping that once the dust dies down on Brexit, Scotland and Northern Ireland will be allowed full and fair referendums on whether they wish to remain as part of the U.K..
If Scotland votes for independence, no matter their reasoning, I’ll happily accept that.
If NI decides to form a new nation with Ireland, again I’ll accept that.
Why?
Anti unionist?
Not at all.
A Democrat .
The reason for the majority voting to leave the Eu now means nothing.
It happened.
It’s called democracy.
A very few are still in the trenches.
Give it up.
It’s really a bit embarrassing.

Barney, embarrassing like by winning an election promising we have an oven ready Bexit deal, and then a number of months down the road this disgraceful debacle.

Ed Miliband called called Johnson out on this and Johnson had no response. , in fact Johnson was completely humiliated.

[barney]

So far, Sir K’s amendment failed by 136 on a Tory majority of 80 ???!?
What the hell is going on?
Are Labour voting against their own amendment ?

[screwy]

Starmer being a Barrister is a good actor, like all Barristers are and I’ve seen a few in action when I’ve been a Dock Officer. I have yet to see/ hear him come up up with a quality statement on what Labourer would do differently during this mess. All we ever get from He and his front bench is..’ We need more clarity from the Government’.

Screwy you make the bold statement that "all barristers are actors" then qualify it by saying you have seen a few. A close family member is a barrister/'circuit judge and describing her an actor I find very wide of the mark. Apart from that where is the problem? your man told us he has an oven ready deal, why the need need to call on Starmer for advice?

Don’t get me wrong Ray, when you watch them in action ,it really is a performance, I mean no disrespect, I have had some good times watching them in action,,especially when they’re doing their best to defend the undefendable.

[barney]

I’m personally hoping that once the dust dies down on Brexit, Scotland and Northern Ireland will be allowed full and fair referendums on whether they wish to remain as part of the U.K..
If Scotland votes for independence, no matter their reasoning, I’ll happily accept that.
If NI decides to form a new nation with Ireland, again I’ll accept that.
Why?
Anti unionist?
Not at all.
A Democrat .
The reason for the majority voting to leave the Eu now means nothing.
It happened.
It’s called democracy.
A very few are still in the trenches.
Give it up.
It’s really a bit embarrassing.

Barney, embarrassing like by winning an election promising we have an oven ready Bexit deal, and then a number of months down the road this disgraceful debacle.

Ed Miliband called called Johnson out on this and Johnson had no response. , in fact Johnson was completely humiliated.

That’s what you saw.
I saw a bloke not remotely interested in what the other bloke had to say.
He is literally untouchable with his majority.
I read an article in the Guardian today about what Labour should do about this and that.
The reality is that they can do nothing.

[towny44]

I’m personally hoping that once the dust dies down on Brexit, Scotland and Northern Ireland will be allowed full and fair referendums on whether they wish to remain as part of the U.K..
If Scotland votes for independence, no matter their reasoning, I’ll happily accept that.
If NI decides to form a new nation with Ireland, again I’ll accept that.
Why?
Anti unionist?
Not at all.
A Democrat .
The reason for the majority voting to leave the Eu now means nothing.
It happened.
It’s called democracy.
A very few are still in the trenches.
Give it up.
It’s really a bit embarrassing.

Barney, embarrassing like by winning an election promising we have an oven ready Bexit deal, and then a number of months down the road this disgraceful debacle.

As far as the general public are concerned I imagine its split straight down the middle, those that voted for Boris will be supporting him, those that didn't will be the outraged ones, other than a few high profile MPs looking to pick up a fee for appearing on Andrew Marr or Bethy Rigby's shows.

[Kendhni]

Barney, embarrassing like by winning an election promising we have an oven ready Bexit deal, and then a number of months down the road this disgraceful debacle.

Ed Miliband called called Johnson out on this and Johnson had no response. , in fact Johnson was completely humiliated.

Did you see the face and body language on Johnson? Someone who knows they have been caught out - the only two explanations are Johnson is a liar or he is incompetent (both of which we already know) - there are no other possible explanations, and he knows it. He did try doing what brexiteers have been doing for the lat 4 years and trying to blame everyone else for brexiteer incompetence and failure - but Milliband was having nothing of it. A great performance from Milliband (I could even get to like him after such a performance). Sadly Johnson is a proven sociopath who has no shame about lying.

Brexit will go down in history as an abuse of process and the killer of the democracy in the UK - utterly embarrassing for a nation that once prided itself on having high standards and respect for international law.

[Manoverboard]

What a bad example Boris is setting, makes one hanker for the good old days of up front honest law abiding Prime Ministers like Tony Blair ?

[Gill W]

Miliband was superb, especially when you consider that he was a last minute replacement.

I could almost feel sorry for Johnson, being so publicly exposed. However, I couldn’t feel sorry - he wanted this job and he thought he could wing it, like he’s done with everything else in his life, but he’s been found out by those with their eyes open enough to see that he is an incompetent liar.

I have to wonder far Johnson will go before certain other people will wake up and admit to themselves that what is happening is not right. However, if the attempt to potentially break internal law is not a red light, then I’m not sure what it will take for the scales to fall from their eyes.

On a side note, chaos with Ed Miliband would have been infinitely better than our current situation.

[towny44]

Barney, embarrassing like by winning an election promising we have an oven ready Bexit deal, and then a number of months down the road this disgraceful debacle.

Ed Miliband called called Johnson out on this and Johnson had no response. , in fact Johnson was completely humiliated.

Did you see the face and body language on Johnson? Someone who knows they have been caught out - the only two explanations are Johnson is a liar or he is incompetent (both of which we already know) - there are no other possible explanations, and he knows it. He did try doing what brexiteers have been doing for the lat 4 years and trying to blame everyone else for brexiteer incompetence and failure - but Milliband was having nothing of it. A great performance from Milliband (I could even get to like him after such a performance). Sadly Johnson is a proven sociopath who has no shame about lying.

Brexit will go down in history as an abuse of process and the killer of the democracy in the UK - utterly embarrassing for a nation that once prided itself on having high standards and respect for international law.

You are beginning to display the same sort of paranoia about Boris that my Canadian BIL displays when talking about Trump, and I keep telling him to take a deep breath and think of someone more pleasant before he has a heart attack.

[barney]

As usual, Gill and I are in agreement with reference to Boris Johnson.
Those who have habitually voted Conservative over the years without seriously looking at the opposition could have a look at themselves.
Ed Milliband is no more competent now than he was as Labour leader but was ridiculed in some of the press for having an unusual speech pattern and inability to eat a bacon sarnie.
While I agree with everyone that Corbyn would nothing have made a good PM, I implore others to look seriously at the alternative to this government in the next election.

I voted Tory for the first time in my life at the last election to get Brexit put to bed.
The cost is another five years of a Tory government which in my mind, and millions of other Labour supporters is a price worth paying to extricate ourselves from the insidious tentacles of the European Union.

[screwy]

All this love in with Milliband.?
Good honest Ed who did wonders for our country.

Isn’t he the one who stabbed his brother in the back to get the job he craved.?

[barney]

All this love in with Milliband.?
Good honest Ed who did wonders for our country.

Isn’t he the one who stabbed his brother in the back to get the job he craved.?

That’s the one Screwy
Not much love in politics.
To be honest, no one knows how he would have panned out but never got the chance because Rupert Murdoch decided we would have another Conservative government.
If he takes to Sir K, then he’s a shoe in.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Brexit will go down in history as an abuse of process and the killer of the democracy in the UK .

I'm astonished you can say that after the tactics Remainers used to try to overturn a democratic referendum. Oh sorry I forgot. It wasn't democratic because the wrong side won.

[barney]

Brexit will go down in history as an abuse of process and the killer of the democracy in the UK .

I'm astonished you can say that after the tactics Remainers used to try to overturn a democratic referendum. Oh sorry I forgot. It wasn't democratic because the wrong side won.

There is no reasoning with that statement Merv.
The biggest democratic action in this country’s history is the killer of democracy in the U.K.?
Figure that one out ?

[Kendhni]

You are beginning to display the same sort of paranoia about Boris that my Canadian BIL displays when talking about Trump, and I keep telling him to take a deep breath and think of someone more pleasant before he has a heart attack.

Your Canadian BIL shows an astute understanding of personality - hope he also realises America has Trump and we have Boris, both self-serving buffoons.

Actually I quite like Boris ... yes he is an habitual liar and a sociopath that is not fit to hold any public office in anything other than a third world tinpot undemocratic country, but his comedic value and buffoonery are priceless. His COVID briefings were hilarious ... lots of sound bites, grunts, huffs, puffs and various other noises and little else.

Unfortunately he is our PM and has proven he is crassly incompetent and/or incapable of being honest and determined to destroy democracy and integrity in this country. How anybody can believe a word that comes from his mouth is beyond me ... except for being totally brain washed and programmed into continually repeating 'boris good, brexit good, truth bad, reality bad'.

[Kendhni]

Brexit will go down in history as an abuse of process and the killer of the democracy in the UK .

I'm astonished you can say that after the tactics Remainers used to try to overturn a democratic referendum. Oh sorry I forgot. It wasn't democratic because the wrong side won.

No it was undemocratic because both sides behaved improperly and broke electoral rules; the entire campaign was based 100% on lies; there was outside involvement and money. It appears though that if you get the answer you want then you are willing to turn a blind eye to abuse of process and accept incredibly low standards from public representatives and the democratic process. Guess some of us just have higher standards and expectations of their representatives.

[barney]

Brexit will go down in history as an abuse of process and the killer of the democracy in the UK .

I'm astonished you can say that after the tactics Remainers used to try to overturn a democratic referendum. Oh sorry I forgot. It wasn't democratic because the wrong side won.

No it was undemocratic because both sides behaved improperly and broke electoral rules; the entire campaign was based 100% on lies; there was outside involvement and money. It appears though that if you get the answer you want then you are willing to turn a blind eye to abuse of process and accept incredibly low standards from public representatives and the democratic process. Guess some of us just have higher standards and expectations of their representatives.

You must be constantly disappointed.
Let’s go back.
Major signed us up to the federal treaty without the decency to ask the people if they approved.
Blair stood on a manifesto pledge to have a referendum on EU membership, then forgot.
Cameron fulfilled his pledge then switched to top propaganda gear to swing it his way but failed to convince enough people.
May tried a Brexit in name only and it cost her her job.

As much as I agree that Johnson is a special taste, he is actually the first honest PM for some years.
He said he’d take us out and he has.
He said he would prefer a deal but if it’s not to be, then ok.
He’s stuck to that.

Remain fanatics remind me of the Life of Brian when he opens his window and shouts to the crowd, just eff off.
A bit of a pause then .. how shall we eff off?

We have left the Eu.
At least you must accept that fact.
Both sides would prefer a trade deal after the transition ends.
If we cannot agree, then both sides go their own way and look to find an agreement in the future.
That’s about it.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Let's not forget that Cameron said it was our decision and he'd lead us to whichever destiny we sought. And Osborne said if we voted out he's call an emergency budget on the following Friday. Then suddenly both were gone! Ah yes. The good old days of honest politicians.

And on outside money. Yes to counter the millions of public cash Cameron spent to back Remain.

[Kendhni]

I'm astonished you can say that after the tactics Remainers used to try to overturn a democratic referendum. Oh sorry I forgot. It wasn't democratic because the wrong side won.

No it was undemocratic because both sides behaved improperly and broke electoral rules; the entire campaign was based 100% on lies; there was outside involvement and money. It appears though that if you get the answer you want then you are willing to turn a blind eye to abuse of process and accept incredibly low standards from public representatives and the democratic process. Guess some of us just have higher standards and expectations of their representatives.

You must be constantly disappointed.
Let’s go back.
Major signed us up to the federal treaty without the decency to ask the people if they approved.
Blair stood on a manifesto pledge to have a referendum on EU membership, then forgot.
Cameron fulfilled his pledge then switched to top propaganda gear to swing it his way but failed to convince enough people.
May tried a Brexit in name only and it cost her her job.

As much as I agree that Johnson is a special taste, he is actually the first honest PM for some years.
He said he’d take us out and he has.
He said he would prefer a deal but if it’s not to be, then ok.
He’s stuck to that.

Remain fanatics remind me of the Life of Brian when he opens his window and shouts to the crowd, just eff off.
A bit of a pause then .. how shall we eff off?

We have left the Eu.
At least you must accept that fact.
Both sides would prefer a trade deal after the transition ends.
If we cannot agree, then both sides go their own way and look to find an agreement in the future.
That’s about it.

I love your selective interpretation of reality ... ignore the 99% of reality that does not fit into your simplistic views.

Your bit about Johnson being honest is a gem - we should nominate that for comedy post of the year (or if you are being serious then the most delusional post of the year). Let's see what Johnson and his cronies actually said (and I don't even need to refer to his promise of £350million per week to the NHS)
- 'There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal'
- 'The cost of getting out will be nil and the cost of staying in would be very high'
I have got many more examples of lies, moving of goal posts and incompetence from the brexit fanatics.

You prove the point that brexit fanatics are willing to accept very low standards just as long as they get their way - it is true you get the government you deserve. At the minute you deserve the incompetent lying sociopath that you voted for.

[Ray Scully]

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You are beginning to display the same sort of paranoia about Boris that my Canadian BIL displays when talking about Trump, and I keep telling him to take a deep breath and think of someone more pleasant before he has a heart attack.
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The same kind of paranoia that some display towards the EU?

[barney]

No it was undemocratic because both sides behaved improperly and broke electoral rules; the entire campaign was based 100% on lies; there was outside involvement and money. It appears though that if you get the answer you want then you are willing to turn a blind eye to abuse of process and accept incredibly low standards from public representatives and the democratic process. Guess some of us just have higher standards and expectations of their representatives.

You must be constantly disappointed.
Let’s go back.
Major signed us up to the federal treaty without the decency to ask the people if they approved.
Blair stood on a manifesto pledge to have a referendum on EU membership, then forgot.
Cameron fulfilled his pledge then switched to top propaganda gear to swing it his way but failed to convince enough people.
May tried a Brexit in name only and it cost her her job.

As much as I agree that Johnson is a special taste, he is actually the first honest PM for some years.
He said he’d take us out and he has.
He said he would prefer a deal but if it’s not to be, then ok.
He’s stuck to that.

Remain fanatics remind me of the Life of Brian when he opens his window and shouts to the crowd, just eff off.
A bit of a pause then .. how shall we eff off?

We have left the Eu.
At least you must accept that fact.
Both sides would prefer a trade deal after the transition ends.
If we cannot agree, then both sides go their own way and look to find an agreement in the future.
That’s about it.

I love your selective interpretation of reality ... ignore the 99% of reality that does not fit into your simplistic views.

Your bit about Johnson being honest is a gem - we should nominate that for comedy post of the year (or if you are being serious then the most delusional post of the year). Let's see what Johnson and his cronies actually said (and I don't even need to refer to his promise of £350million per week to the NHS)
- 'There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal'
- 'The cost of getting out will be nil and the cost of staying in would be very high'
I have got many more examples of lies, moving of goal posts and incompetence from the brexit fanatics.

You prove the point that brexit fanatics are willing to accept very low standards just as long as they get their way - it is true you get the government you deserve. At the minute you deserve the incompetent lying sociopath that you voted for.

Try as I may, I cannot find one single instance of a promise to spend £350 million on the NHS.
I recall a slogan on a bus but didn’t see any mention of a promise.
So that’s another remainer lie to add to the list.
As for the other quotes, I have no recollection but I suppose there must be evidence of those exact phrases or that would be yet another remainer lie, wouldn’t it.
Some are unfortunately unable to come to terms with the actual reality and continue with but .. but .. but

[Kendhni]

Let's not forget that Cameron said it was our decision and he'd lead us to whichever destiny we sought. And Osborne said if we voted out he's call an emergency budget on the following Friday. Then suddenly both were gone! Ah yes. The good old days of honest politicians.

Now let's inject some reality into this silly comment. Would the brexit camp have accepted someone who led the remain campaign? They did enough crying like babies that May was a remainer - at least she produced the deal that Boris and worse and is now trying to sell as his own.

As anybody who has actually checked knows, Osborne spent the weekend in discussions with the BoE trying to carry out damage limitation - which is why significant counter measures were announced over the subsequent days in a desperate attempt to avoid a run on the pound and his prophecies from coming true. Was that not better than an emergency budget?

Meanwhile maybe we should ask what happened to the brexit leadership - they went into hiding for several weeks. Not one was available for comment or wanted to take responsibility for their win. Then when it came to electing the next PM the brexiteers were falling over themselves desperately trying to find excuses to rule themselves out of the running, leaving May to pick up the poison chalice they created. It was only when the hard work was done by May that Johnson took an interest - he is well known for taking credit for other peoples work.

[Mervyn and Trish]

As anybody who has actually checked knows, Osborne spent the weekend in discussions with the BoE trying to carry out damage limitation -

Sorry missed that. I didn't get the invitation to the meeting.

[oldbluefox]

Then when it came to electing the next PM the brexiteers were falling over themselves desperately trying to find excuses to rule themselves out of the running, leaving May to pick up the poison chalice they created.

Not true.
The candidates in the election for Tory party leadership were:
Theresa May - elected
Andrea Leadsom - withdrew after the second ballot (25.5%)
Michael Gove - eliminated (14%)
Stephen Crabb - withdrew after the first ballot (10.3%)
Liam Fox - eliminated after the first ballot (4.9%)
It was the Tory party who elected TM as can be seen from the ballot figures.