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[oldbluefox]

...............and if the government had prevented them from going to their universities????

We are in the midst of a pandemic which makes many people very ill and kills others. Irrespective of what people want to do , inconvenient though it is, it is vital to follow government guidelines if we are to overcome it or at least reduce its effect. No excuses. To think only a short while ago our figures were well under control and falling.

My criticism of the government is they were not strict enough in enforcing the lockdown and relied on the common sense of the British people to do the right thing. Meanwhile the police followed a policy of 'educating' people who were breaking the rules. I would educate them with a £200 fine which is cheap compared to some countries. (I'm a right softie at heart!! ) We are far too soft and that is why some take no notice whatever we do.

[Onelife]

...............and if the government had prevented them from going to their universities????

We are in the midst of a pandemic which makes many people very ill and kills others. Irrespective of what people want to do , inconvenient though it is, it is vital to follow government guidelines if we are to overcome it or at least reduce its effect. No excuses. To think only a short while ago our figures were well under control and falling.

My criticism of the government is they were not strict enough in enforcing the lockdown and relied on the common sense of the British people to do the right thing. Meanwhile the police followed a policy of 'educating' people who were breaking the rules. I would educate them with a £200 fine which is cheap compared to some countries. (I'm a right softie at heart!! ) We are far too soft and that is why some take no notice whatever we do.

…. if the government had gone into lockdown instead of all these mini lockdowns then students wouldn’t have been able to go partying in their dorms. The government allowed them to go knowing infection rates were rising. These students could have got further education from university online courses.

I’m just trying to remember how we got our figures well under control and falling …oh I remember, we locked down. If the government are really interested in reducing the numbers then I would suggest a two-week lockdown (as required) every twelve weeks until a vaccine become available as this is the only proven way of keeping this virus at bay.

Are we going to carry on down the same old route of having hundreds if not thousands of more deaths?

You’re getting far too soft Foxy

[towny44]

...............and if the government had prevented them from going to their universities????

We are in the midst of a pandemic which makes many people very ill and kills others. Irrespective of what people want to do , inconvenient though it is, it is vital to follow government guidelines if we are to overcome it or at least reduce its effect. No excuses. To think only a short while ago our figures were well under control and falling.

My criticism of the government is they were not strict enough in enforcing the lockdown and relied on the common sense of the British people to do the right thing. Meanwhile the police followed a policy of 'educating' people who were breaking the rules. I would educate them with a £200 fine which is cheap compared to some countries. (I'm a right softie at heart!! ) We are far too soft and that is why some take no notice whatever we do.

…. if the government had gone into lockdown instead of all these mini lockdowns then students wouldn’t have been able to go partying in their dorms. The government allowed them to go knowing infection rates were rising. These students could have got further education from university online courses.

I’m just trying to remember how we got our figures well under control and falling …oh I remember, we locked down. If the government are really interested in reducing the numbers then I would suggest a two-week lockdown (as required) every twelve weeks until a vaccine become available as this is the only proven way of keeping this virus at bay.

Are we going to carry on down the same old route of having hundreds if not thousands of more deaths?

You’re getting far too soft Foxy

Keith, the lockdown shut down the economy, if you are suggesting we go back to that then the end of the UK as a viable nation state is probably less than 6 months away. If you remember it took us about 4 months to bring the first wave under control, so we will be virtually bankrupt by then.
That means no money to pay any public sector workers, and even if we avoid riots on the streets, the increase in petty crime as people try to scrounge a living will become intolerable.
We have to learn to live with Covid19, and that includes students, who since they are supposed to be learning anyway, should be able to take on board the necessary instruction about how to avoid getting and spreading the disease.
It is no good blaming the govt for everything, they are trying their best to provide a framework for us to negotiate our way out of this pandemic, if there are people in the country who cannot comprehend this and insist on doing the wrong thing, then the only alternative is for the rest of us to get rid of them, somehow.

[david63]

Are we going to carry on down the same old route of having hundreds if not thousands of more deaths?

At some point yes we are, just as we do with many other conditions such as flu, heart attacks, cancer etc.

[Ray Scully]

Are we going to carry on down the same old route of having hundreds if not thousands of more deaths?

At some point yes we are, just as we do with many other conditions such as flu, heart attacks, cancer etc.

Initially the government had little room for movement with the late lockdown decision and accordingly the danger of the NHS collapsing . However from thereon in they should have have ensured that they put in place robust if not draconian conditions to protect the elderly and vulnerable. For the rest, the devil take the hindmost? Apparently Brazil by doing virtually nothing has had 60% of its population effected and crowd immunity is being assumed

[Onelife]

...............and if the government had prevented them from going to their universities????

We are in the midst of a pandemic which makes many people very ill and kills others. Irrespective of what people want to do , inconvenient though it is, it is vital to follow government guidelines if we are to overcome it or at least reduce its effect. No excuses. To think only a short while ago our figures were well under control and falling.

My criticism of the government is they were not strict enough in enforcing the lockdown and relied on the common sense of the British people to do the right thing. Meanwhile the police followed a policy of 'educating' people who were breaking the rules. I would educate them with a £200 fine which is cheap compared to some countries. (I'm a right softie at heart!! ) We are far too soft and that is why some take no notice whatever we do.

…. if the government had gone into lockdown instead of all these mini lockdowns then students wouldn’t have been able to go partying in their dorms. The government allowed them to go knowing infection rates were rising. These students could have got further education from university online courses.

I’m just trying to remember how we got our figures well under control and falling …oh I remember, we locked down. If the government are really interested in reducing the numbers then I would suggest a two-week lockdown (as required) every twelve weeks until a vaccine become available as this is the only proven way of keeping this virus at bay.

Are we going to carry on down the same old route of having hundreds if not thousands of more deaths?

You’re getting far too soft Foxy

Keith, the lockdown shut down the economy, if you are suggesting we go back to that then the end of the UK as a viable nation state is probably less than 6 months away. If you remember it took us about 4 months to bring the first wave under control, so we will be virtually bankrupt by then.
That means no money to pay any public sector workers, and even if we avoid riots on the streets, the increase in petty crime as people try to scrounge a living will become intolerable.
We have to learn to live with Covid19, and that includes students, who since they are supposed to be learning anyway, should be able to take on board the necessary instruction about how to avoid getting and spreading the disease.
It is no good blaming the govt for everything, they are trying their best to provide a framework for us to negotiate our way out of this pandemic, if there are people in the country who cannot comprehend this and insist on doing the wrong thing, then the only alternative is for the rest of us to get rid of them, somehow.

You’re much tougher than me and Foxy, John

There’s no such thing as a full lockdown as the wheels still need to turn but adapting our ecomny to a new working pattern would give a clear framework to how we work with this pandemic. Working to the rota I have suggested would imo be less disruptive to our economy than the stop start approach which is currently being adopted. It might take a little longer to bring the numbers down but the present plan isn’t working.

The symptoms app (the one the government use) is now saying we have closer to nineteen thousand daily cases as opposed to what is being reported.

[Onelife]

Are we going to carry on down the same old route of having hundreds if not thousands of more deaths?

At some point yes we are, just as we do with many other conditions such as flu, heart attacks, cancer etc.

David…if our hospitals don’t get some clear indication as to the numbers they can expect they will never be in a position to open up other areas of medical interventions…such as finding cancers etc etc. Gawd knows what will happen if they are having to work with increased covid patients and flu patients at the same time.

Best get one under control before the other kicks off is my view.

Get rid of Boris and bring back Theresa

[david63]

The symptoms app (the one the government use) is now saying we have closer to nineteen thousand daily cases as opposed to what is being reported.

And of those there were 1727 in hospital yesterday with 262 on ventilators (https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare). How many are in hospital with cancer? How many with cardiac problems?

You need to get your numbers in perspective and stop looking at "headline" numbers.

[Onelife]

The symptoms app (the one the government use) is now saying we have closer to nineteen thousand daily cases as opposed to what is being reported.

And of those there were 1727 in hospital yesterday with 262 on ventilators (https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare). How many are in hospital with cancer? How many with cardiac problems?

You need to get your numbers in perspective and stop looking at "headline" numbers.

We’re still playing catch up David….get back to me next week with your stats

[Stephen]

THE END IS NIGH

[Onelife]

THE END IS NIGH

You'll be missed Stephen...remember me in your will

[Manoverboard]

My lunchtime toast was slightly cold .... I blame the Government

[Stephen]

THE END IS NIGH

You'll be missed Stephen...remember me in your will

I will.....your paying the funeral bill.

[Onelife]

My lunchtime toast was slightly cold .... I blame the Government

I’m with you Mob, too much daily politics isn’t good for you or your toast

[Onelife]

THE END IS NIGH

You'll be missed Stephen...remember me in your will

I will.....your paying the funeral bill.

Any preference to which river you get dumped in?

[Onelife]

30, 2020
12:06

More than 400 travellers who should be quarantining under Covid laws have so far escaped fines because police didn't find them at home, says Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt.

Police chiefs say officers were asked to investigate more than 4,000 cases referred to them by health authorities.

Most were complying with self-isolation requirements and others were persuaded to do so, but at 440 addresses police got no answer when they called and, say police chiefs, "no further enforcement action (was) possible".

Only 38 UK travellers have been fined by police after returning from countries such as Spain and France which are on the government's quarantine list. Others may have been given fixed penalty notices by UK Border Force.

The National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC) said: "College of Policing guidance states that where police are unable to get an answer following a visit to an address, then additional follow-up visits are suggested

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May I suggest they forget the follow up visits and drop the fines through the letter box on the first visit.

[barney]

The U.K. fatality rate is 0.6 per 100,000 of population.
That puts us 12th in Europe.
Much lower than both Spain and France.

We actually know a lady who’s son has just arrived from Holland and although he is isolating, she isn’t.
I don’t know if she should by law but common sense says yes.

[Stephen]

30, 2020
12:06

More than 400 travellers who should be quarantining under Covid laws have so far escaped fines because police didn't find them at home, says Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt.

Police chiefs say officers were asked to investigate more than 4,000 cases referred to them by health authorities.

Most were complying with self-isolation requirements and others were persuaded to do so, but at 440 addresses police got no answer when they called and, say police chiefs, "no further enforcement action (was) possible".

Only 38 UK travellers have been fined by police after returning from countries such as Spain and France which are on the government's quarantine list. Others may have been given fixed penalty notices by UK Border Force.

The National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC) said: "College of Policing guidance states that where police are unable to get an answer following a visit to an address, then additional follow-up visits are suggested

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May I suggest they forget the follow up visits and drop the fines through the letter box on the first visit.

They'll just use it as loo paper. If a pikey doesn't want to be found you might as well forget it. Besides, by the time the police return they'll have upped sticks and moved on. Probably to the Midlands, their spiritual home

I see Boris's dad got caught on camera in a shop without a mask. I assume the fine is in the post.....not. One rule for them, everyone else tow the line

[barney]

Not those type of Travellers Stephen, just people who have recently travelled

[oldbluefox]

Not those type of Travellers Stephen, just people who have recently travelled

Must admit that's how I read it at first

[Manoverboard]

It seems that in Cambodia anybody arriving at their front door is routinely escorted to a Government owned Hotel, read crappo Retention Centre, where they will reside for three days for observation and testing. If there are no symptoms and their test is negative they are released but only after payment of $200 pppd but if positive they will remain in situ for a further 10 days and continue thus until the test is negative .... all at $200 pppd of course.

Such a shame we haven't got the coujons to do the same

[Stephen]

Not those type of Travellers Stephen, just people who have recently travelled

Just testing

[Stephen]

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[Stephen]

One ploy way of getting out of further debates, at least for now.

Trump in quarantine as top aide Hope Hicks tests positive for coronavirus https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54381848

[Kendhni]

It seems that in Cambodia anybody arriving at their front door is routinely escorted to a Government owned Hotel, read crappo Retention Centre, where they will reside for three days for observation and testing. If there are no symptoms and their test is negative they are released but only after payment of $200 pppd but if positive they will remain in situ for a further 10 days and continue thus until the test is negative .... all at $200 pppd of course.

Such a shame we haven't got the coujons to do the same

My BIL had the misfortune to come back here just as this kicked off (Mar 10th). He has been stranded here ever since trying to get back home to Thailand. When he does manage to be allowed back home he has to go to a hotel for self isolation for 2 weeks. During the first week he will not be allowed out of the room (food and bed linen will be left outside the door). If, at the end of that week, he tests negative he will be allowed to use other facilities in the hotel such as the pool, gym etc. but he will not be allowed outside of the gardens of the hotel. At the end of 2 weeks, if he still tests negative, he will be allowed back to his home.

A couple of weeks ago he managed to finally get on 'the list' and is awaiting notification that he can start booking a flight (but that could still take several weeks/months).