Life After Brexit

[barney]

Nice to see the Irish PM has at last woken up and smelled the coffee as well.
He’s done a complete 180 and is openly encouraging the Eu team to be more realistic.

[screwy]

Love him or loath him I’m glad it’s Gove who is holding our Brexit aspirations together…he along with Frost seem to have laid their knives and forks on the table, it's now up to the EU as to whether they come to dinner or not...my guess is that they’ll all be rubbing elbows in a few weeks time…deal done!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... nservatism

Personally I like him. Slippery as an Eel but is a good Orator who doesn’t lie down and give in .

Bring back Maggie.

[Gill W]

Not so sure the EU are going to be as docile as everyone thinks........

Announcement to be made shortly......

[barney]

Not so sure the EU are going to be as docile as everyone thinks........

Announcement to be made shortly......

About what ?
By whom ?

Oh sorry, I get it now.
That old rubbish about the Eu dragging the PM to the European Court.

Like that’s going to happen

[towny44]

Not so sure the EU are going to be as docile as everyone thinks........

Announcement to be made shortly......

Gill, you are British I assume if so why do you gleefully point out any moves the EU makes to create difficulties for our negotiators?

[Gill W]

We are a long way down the rabbit hole when legislation to break international law is just shrugged off.

What has happened to this country? . (Rhetorical question, no answers needed)

[Onelife]

My understanding is that should the EU wish to pursue this International agreement garbage through the courts it will make no difference whatsoever with regards to our Brexit negotiations as it is separate issues altogether. Besides any legal action will probably take a couple of years before it is brought to court by which time Brexit will be done and dusted.

Even if the decision goes against us it won’t make a scrape of difference with regard to trade deals as Business is Business and as I have said before Business has no friends just mutually beneficial compromises.

[Gill W]

Not so sure the EU are going to be as docile as everyone thinks........

Announcement to be made shortly......

Gill, you are British I assume if so why do you gleefully point out any moves the EU makes to create difficulties for our negotiators?

Firstly, please stop assigning emotions to me - it is simply not acceptable to keep making these discussions personal.

Secondly, I’m not sure why parliament’s decision to legislate to break international law is ‘the EU making difficulties for our negotiators’

[Onelife]

We are a long way down the rabbit hole when legislation to break international law is just shrugged off.

What has happened to this country? . (Rhetorical question, no answers needed)

It hasn’t been decided if any international law has been broken yet but if that does prove to be the case, we will become just one of many countries who interpret international law to suit their own personal circumstances... as have the EU

[barney]

We are a long way down the rabbit hole when legislation to break international law is just shrugged off.

What has happened to this country? . (Rhetorical question, no answers needed)

It hasn’t been decided if any international law has been broken yet but if that does prove to be the case, we will become just one of many countries who interpret international law to suit their own personal circumstances... as have the EU

The contentious clauses in the U.K. Bill are basically an additional insurance.
It’s more or less saying that IF the Eu do this, the U.K. will do that.
The clause will not be used unless the Eu becomes hostile and breaks the WA treaty by not acting in good faith.
If they keep to their end of the treaty, the clause won’t be necessary.
It’s simply a sign that it’s a two way deal.

They still don’t seem to have accepted that we have LEFT.
It’s like trying to discipline an employee while they are in the last week of their notice.
Simply not worth the effort.

Given the massive problems facing the Eu at the moment, I’d think that their efforts could be better served elsewhere.

[Onelife]

Love him or loath him I’m glad it’s Gove who is holding our Brexit aspirations together…he along with Frost seem to have laid their knives and forks on the table, it's now up to the EU as to whether they come to dinner or not...my guess is that they’ll all be rubbing elbows in a few weeks time…deal done!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... nservatism

Personally I like him. Slippery as an Eel but is a good Orator who doesn’t lie down and give in .

Bring back Maggie.

Like you Screwy I quite like Gove as I can separate his slippery characteristics from that of his obvious ministerial talents.

[screwy]

The eu do like to impose their laws on us. The Eu fine the uk each year for having ‘Razor Wire’ on Prison walls etc,however drive past any Prison in Europe and they all have the same. How good is that.?

[Gill W]

We are a long way down the rabbit hole when legislation to break international law is just shrugged off.

What has happened to this country? . (Rhetorical question, no answers needed)

It hasn’t been decided if any international law has been broken yet but if that does prove to be the case, we will become just one of many countries who interpret international law to suit their own personal circumstances... as have the EU

The contentious clauses in the U.K. Bill are basically an additional insurance.
It’s more or less saying that IF the Eu do this, the U.K. will do that.
The clause will not be used unless the Eu becomes hostile and breaks the WA treaty by not acting in good faith.
If they keep to their end of the treaty, the clause won’t be necessary.
It’s simply a sign that it’s a two way deal.

They still don’t seem to have accepted that we have LEFT.
It’s like trying to discipline an employee while they are in the last week of their notice.
Simply not worth the effort.

Given the massive problems facing the Eu at the moment, I’d think that their efforts could be better served elsewhere.

This idea of the EU not acting in good faith seems to have germinated from Johnson - probably for justifying his legislation to override the WA agreement.

It's a chicken and egg situation - his actions have made the EU hostile.

The whole thing is a farce - Johnson trumpeted the WA agreement as his oven ready deal, and even won a General Election on this premise. Now he's decided its not so good after all and wants to wiggle out of it.

Unilaterally legislating to change an international treaty is definately not acting in good faith - it's more the actions of rogue state.

Of course, we'll also now be risking the breaking of another international treaty - the Good Friday Agreement, which the WA was designed to protect.

The good name. of this country is being dragged through the mud.

[Manoverboard]

This Country has been dragged through the mud for far too many years ... come the departure date

[Kendhni]

The eu do like to impose their laws on us. The Eu fine the uk each year for having ‘Razor Wire’ on Prison walls etc,however drive past any Prison in Europe and they all have the same. How good is that.?

Old wives tales are always good

Fact check
https://questions-statements.parliament ... -28/212304

[oldbluefox]

The good name. of this country is being dragged through the mud.

We'll be in good company.
"Germany is now the biggest breaker of EU rules, according to new statistics on enforcement actions started by Brussels against member states.....Numbers provided to German newspaper Handelsblatt by the country’s economics ministry show the country’s government is subject to 74 infringement proceedings by the European Commission for failing to implement EU regulations properly in German law........The new statistics echo the latest available EU-wide figures on enforcement actions from the end of 2016, provided by the European Commission, which found Germany joint top with Spain.
Those countries were followed closely by Belgium, Greece, Portugal and France. Despite Brexit and higher levels of euroscepticism generally, the UK was relatively good at implementing EU rules compared to its neighbours".

So not the bad boys of Europe as some would like to portray us. Perhaps we have been too obedient for too long and are now seen as a soft touch. Taking legal action against member states seems to be nothing new for the EU.

[Gill W]

The good name. of this country is being dragged through the mud.

We'll be in good company.
"Germany is now the biggest breaker of EU rules, according to new statistics on enforcement actions started by Brussels against member states.....Numbers provided to German newspaper Handelsblatt by the country’s economics ministry show the country’s government is subject to 74 infringement proceedings by the European Commission for failing to implement EU regulations properly in German law........The new statistics echo the latest available EU-wide figures on enforcement actions from the end of 2016, provided by the European Commission, which found Germany joint top with Spain.
Those countries were followed closely by Belgium, Greece, Portugal and France. Despite Brexit and higher levels of euroscepticism generally, the UK was relatively good at implementing EU rules compared to its neighbours".

So not the bad boys of Europe as some would like to portray us. Perhaps we have been too obedient for too long and are now seen as a soft touch. Taking legal action against member states seems to be nothing new for the EU.

That’s all internal EU stuff. That’s their business.

None of those countries appear to be legislating to break an international treaty signed with an external party

[oldbluefox]

The point I was making is that all nations break the rules to protect their own interests.
The EU is a controlling organisation which protects its own interests and punishes anybody who challenges that control. I was appalled at the way they treated Mrs May, and consequently the UK who was weak in standing up against them and was ultimately humiliated and mocked. The internal market bill seeks to protect UK interests in the event of a no deal. If there is a deal there will be no need for it and the problem will not exist. Individual EU countries are now urging the EU to broker a deal as they realise the damage no deal will do to them so they are under a lot of pressure to come to an agreement. I am pleased to see that at long last we are standing up against them even if it means we amend part of the WA. Clearly we don't trust them and neither do I.

[Onelife]

The good name. of this country is being dragged through the mud.

We'll be in good company.
"Germany is now the biggest breaker of EU rules, according to new statistics on enforcement actions started by Brussels against member states.....Numbers provided to German newspaper Handelsblatt by the country’s economics ministry show the country’s government is subject to 74 infringement proceedings by the European Commission for failing to implement EU regulations properly in German law........The new statistics echo the latest available EU-wide figures on enforcement actions from the end of 2016, provided by the European Commission, which found Germany joint top with Spain.
Those countries were followed closely by Belgium, Greece, Portugal and France. Despite Brexit and higher levels of euroscepticism generally, the UK was relatively good at implementing EU rules compared to its neighbours".

So not the bad boys of Europe as some would like to portray us. Perhaps we have been too obedient for too long and are now seen as a soft touch. Taking legal action against member states seems to be nothing new for the EU.

That’s all internal EU stuff. That’s their business.

None of those countries appear to be legislating to break an international treaty signed with an external party

They're all at it in one form or another

https://reaction.life/the-new-brexit-storm/

[towny44]

The good name. of this country is being dragged through the mud.

We'll be in good company.
"Germany is now the biggest breaker of EU rules, according to new statistics on enforcement actions started by Brussels against member states.....Numbers provided to German newspaper Handelsblatt by the country’s economics ministry show the country’s government is subject to 74 infringement proceedings by the European Commission for failing to implement EU regulations properly in German law........The new statistics echo the latest available EU-wide figures on enforcement actions from the end of 2016, provided by the European Commission, which found Germany joint top with Spain.
Those countries were followed closely by Belgium, Greece, Portugal and France. Despite Brexit and higher levels of euroscepticism generally, the UK was relatively good at implementing EU rules compared to its neighbours".

So not the bad boys of Europe as some would like to portray us. Perhaps we have been too obedient for too long and are now seen as a soft touch. Taking legal action against member states seems to be nothing new for the EU.

That’s all internal EU stuff. That’s their business.

None of those countries appear to be legislating to break an international treaty signed with an external party

So it would have been OK for us to break all the EU rules then Gill? Pity we did not have your dispensation for this earlier.

[barney]

You’ve got to laugh really.
I’ve been saying for years that the Eu claims to be a rules based organisation while constantly breaking the rules.
Even this massive Covid bail out fund that they are trying to raise on the money markets contravenes the Maastricht Treaty of mutual debt.

The Internal Market Act is merely an insurance against the Eu attempting to put up unnatural barriers within the U.K. single market.
I’m totally for it.
Once we are fully out, it’s totally unrealistic for them to think they can still have legal influence.
They have to come to terms with the point that if they want a free trade agreement with us, then these are the terms.

[Gill W]

We'll be in good company.
"Germany is now the biggest breaker of EU rules, according to new statistics on enforcement actions started by Brussels against member states.....Numbers provided to German newspaper Handelsblatt by the country’s economics ministry show the country’s government is subject to 74 infringement proceedings by the European Commission for failing to implement EU regulations properly in German law........The new statistics echo the latest available EU-wide figures on enforcement actions from the end of 2016, provided by the European Commission, which found Germany joint top with Spain.
Those countries were followed closely by Belgium, Greece, Portugal and France. Despite Brexit and higher levels of euroscepticism generally, the UK was relatively good at implementing EU rules compared to its neighbours".

So not the bad boys of Europe as some would like to portray us. Perhaps we have been too obedient for too long and are now seen as a soft touch. Taking legal action against member states seems to be nothing new for the EU.

That’s all internal EU stuff. That’s their business.

None of those countries appear to be legislating to break an international treaty signed with an external party

So it would have been OK for us to break all the EU rules then Gill? Pity we did not have your dispensation for this earlier.

Did I say that?

CLUE: no I didn’t

[Gill W]

You’ve got to laugh really.
I’ve been saying for years that the Eu claims to be a rules based organisation while constantly breaking the rules.
Even this massive Covid bail out fund that they are trying to raise on the money markets contravenes the Maastricht Treaty of mutual debt.

The Internal Market Act is merely an insurance against the Eu attempting to put up unnatural barriers within the U.K. single market.
I’m totally for it.
Once we are fully out, it’s totally unrealistic for them to think they can still have legal influence.
They have to come to terms with the point that if they want a free trade agreement with us, then these are the terms.

The withdrawal agreement was signed by the UK and the EU so that both parties could protect the integrity of the Good Friday Agreement

[oldbluefox]

I have yet to see where the Good Friday Agreement will be violated by the Internal Market Act.

[towny44]

You’ve got to laugh really.
I’ve been saying for years that the Eu claims to be a rules based organisation while constantly breaking the rules.
Even this massive Covid bail out fund that they are trying to raise on the money markets contravenes the Maastricht Treaty of mutual debt.

The Internal Market Act is merely an insurance against the Eu attempting to put up unnatural barriers within the U.K. single market.
I’m totally for it.
Once we are fully out, it’s totally unrealistic for them to think they can still have legal influence.
They have to come to terms with the point that if they want a free trade agreement with us, then these are the terms.

The withdrawal agreement was signed by the UK and the EU so that both parties could protect the integrity of the Good Friday Agreement

How much longer are the EU going to keep on about protecting the integrity of the Good Friday agreement. It took the Germans less than 20 years to break the Treaty of Verailles, so the GFA is now past its sell by date.