Current Affairs

[Stephen]

Whilst it may seem unfair to put restrictions on areas less affected by Covid l think you have to look at the bigger picture, especially with regard to the mindset of how people react to lockdowns. It's like fighting a campaign ( if the cause is deemed to be fair you have a better chance of taking people with you, if it isn't deemed fair you lose their support).

When you start imposing rules that only affect certain areas of the country you cause resentment, especially from those who are less vulnerable to the effects of Covid (under thirties) this ultamitly will lead to less compliance within those areas.

As the saying goes "we are all in this together" and if we want to get on top of this pandemic we need to move as one and stop going round in circles....A bit here a bit there will eventually lead us into anorchy if we are not careful.

As an aside, I'm sure most of us are now seeing similarities between Trump and Boris.....Both being full of bullsh*t! !

That means everyone, not just the majority adhering to the rules. Until the inconsiderate stupid among the population do that things will only get worse .

[towny44]

Whilst it may seem unfair to put restrictions on areas less affected by Covid l think you have to look at the bigger picture, especially with regard to the mindset of how people react to lockdowns. It's like fighting a campaign ( if the cause is deemed to be fair you have a better chance of taking people with you, if it isn't deemed fair you lose their support).

When you start imposing rules that only affect certain areas of the country you cause resentment, especially from those who are less vulnerable to the effects of Covid (under thirties) this ultamitly will lead to less compliance within those areas.

As the saying goes "we are all in this together" and if we want to get on top of this pandemic we need to move as one and stop going round in circles....A bit here a bit there will eventually lead us into anorchy if we are not careful.

As an aside, I'm sure most of us are now seeing similarities between Trump and Boris.....Both being full of bullsh*t! !

If you feel so strongly that the current govt is not doing enough then I would suggest you should be seeking election as an MP so you can sort it out.

[Manoverboard]

As an aside, I'm sure most of us are now seeing similarities between Trump and Boris.....Both being full of bullsh*t! !

Save the journey, It's closer than you think

[Onelife]

Whilst it may seem unfair to put restrictions on areas less affected by Covid l think you have to look at the bigger picture, especially with regard to the mindset of how people react to lockdowns. It's like fighting a campaign ( if the cause is deemed to be fair you have a better chance of taking people with you, if it isn't deemed fair you lose their support).

When you start imposing rules that only affect certain areas of the country you cause resentment, especially from those who are less vulnerable to the effects of Covid (under thirties) this ultamitly will lead to less compliance within those areas.

As the saying goes "we are all in this together" and if we want to get on top of this pandemic we need to move as one and stop going round in circles....A bit here a bit there will eventually lead us into anorchy if we are not careful.

As an aside, I'm sure most of us are now seeing similarities between Trump and Boris.....Both being full of bullsh*t! !

If you feel so strongly that the current govt is not doing enough then I would suggest you should be seeking election as an MP so you can sort it out.

It was suggested to me that l put myself forward as a councillor but as it would have involved writing coherent letters l thought better of it. I clearly know my limitations perhaps Boris should know his and resign.

[towny44]

Whilst it may seem unfair to put restrictions on areas less affected by Covid l think you have to look at the bigger picture, especially with regard to the mindset of how people react to lockdowns. It's like fighting a campaign ( if the cause is deemed to be fair you have a better chance of taking people with you, if it isn't deemed fair you lose their support).

When you start imposing rules that only affect certain areas of the country you cause resentment, especially from those who are less vulnerable to the effects of Covid (under thirties) this ultamitly will lead to less compliance within those areas.

As the saying goes "we are all in this together" and if we want to get on top of this pandemic we need to move as one and stop going round in circles....A bit here a bit there will eventually lead us into anorchy if we are not careful.

As an aside, I'm sure most of us are now seeing similarities between Trump and Boris.....Both being full of bullsh*t! !

If you feel so strongly that the current govt is not doing enough then I would suggest you should be seeking election as an MP so you can sort it out.

It was suggested to me that l put myself forward as a councillor but as it would have involved writing coherent letters l thought better of it. I clearly know my limitations perhaps Boris should know his and resign.

You have heard the expression "better the devil you know", if Boris goes you are more than likely to find his replacement is far more right wing, and less inclined to consider that lockdowns are the way to proceed.

[Stephen]

I could resist no longer and pulled someone up in a store this morning for not wearing his mask. He responded amicably with his girlfriend also apologising.

We noticed he was sniffing for England while walking round the store with his nose uncovered, but I let it slide, plus I wanted keep as far away as possible. But at the check out who should pitch up at the next checkout, yes you guessed it, Mr snotty, and at this stage with no mask at all. I could resist no longer and politely said, 'excuse me but you should be wearing a mask'. No drama, verbal's, or a knife in the chest, just a quick look and put his mask on.


Mind you he was only ten

[Gill W]

I could resist no longer and pulled someone up in a store this morning for not wearing his mask. He responded amicably with his girlfriend also apologising.

We noticed he was sniffing for England while walking round the store with his nose uncovered, but I let it slide, plus I wanted keep as far away as possible. But at the check out who should pitch up at the next checkout, yes you guessed it, Mr snotty, and at this stage with no mask at all. I could resist no longer and politely said, 'excuse me but you should be wearing a mask'. No drama, verbal's, or a knife in the chest, just a quick look and put his mask on.


Mind you he was only ten

Direct action is the answer. Well done. I think more of us should be doing this.

[Gill W]

With the greatest respect keefy, that’s a load of nonsense.
If the only way to keep on top of the virus is a national lockdown, then what happens when the lockdown comes to an end.
Unless you are happy to live in a state of permanent lockdown until the vaccine is rolled out, then you’re just kicking the can down the road again.

As soon as the country reopens, it all starts again.
This is not unique to us.
If you read european press, it’s pretty much the same all over the continent.
The moans in the U.K. are exactly the same moans in France, Spain etc.
Comments in the Times of Malta today were asking why their government is not following the U.K. method of tiered stages?

Nothing short of a total lockdown and closure of the external border will eliminate this virus, as New Zealand have done.
Do you think that the U.K. population will put up with that?

It's too late for us now, the closure of the external border ship has sailed. COVID is too deeply entrenched in this country.

It worked for New Zealand because they took measures very early, have a leader than can communicate effectively with the population, and a population that is well educated and was largely engaged with the joint societal effort that was needed.

We on the other hand dilly dallied about locking down, have a leader that communicates with three word slogans and waffle and and a population that has a chunk of people that appear to be either terminally thick or selfish.

The type of lockdown that would be now be needed to rid the country of COVID would need us to be locked down for months, and it would need to be rigorous not like the leaky sieve of a lockdown that we previously had. At this point, too many people simply wouldn't adhere to any sort of lockdown, due to either selfishness, thoughtlessness, ignorance or the poor governance that is now standard in this country.

We are not in a good place.

[towny44]

With the greatest respect keefy, that’s a load of nonsense.
If the only way to keep on top of the virus is a national lockdown, then what happens when the lockdown comes to an end.
Unless you are happy to live in a state of permanent lockdown until the vaccine is rolled out, then you’re just kicking the can down the road again.

As soon as the country reopens, it all starts again.
This is not unique to us.
If you read european press, it’s pretty much the same all over the continent.
The moans in the U.K. are exactly the same moans in France, Spain etc.
Comments in the Times of Malta today were asking why their government is not following the U.K. method of tiered stages?

Nothing short of a total lockdown and closure of the external border will eliminate this virus, as New Zealand have done.
Do you think that the U.K. population will put up with that?

It's too late for us now, the closure of the external border ship has sailed. COVID is too deeply entrenched in this country.

It worked for New Zealand because they took measures very early, have a leader than can communicate effectively with the population, and a population that is well educated and was largely engaged with the joint societal effort that was needed.

We on the other hand dilly dallied about locking down, have a leader that communicates with three word slogans and waffle and and a population that has a chunk of people that appear to be either terminally thick or selfish.

The type of lockdown that would be now be needed to rid the country of COVID would need us to be locked down for months, and it would need to be rigorous not like the leaky sieve of a lockdown that we previously had. At this point, too many people simply wouldn't adhere to any sort of lockdown, due to either selfishness, thoughtlessness, ignorance or the poor governance that is now standard in this country.

We are not in a good place.

Of course it did help that New Zealand's population is 2 parts of b*******l.

[david63]

It worked for New Zealand because they took measures very early, have a leader than can communicate effectively with the population, and a population that is well educated and was largely engaged with the joint societal effort that was needed.

Don't believe everything that you read in the papers, or on the news. New Zealand was not as disciplined as many would have us believe.

[Kendhni]

Whilst it may seem unfair to put restrictions on areas less affected by Covid l think you have to look at the bigger picture, especially with regard to the mindset of how people react to lockdowns. It's like fighting a campaign ( if the cause is deemed to be fair you have a better chance of taking people with you, if it isn't deemed fair you lose their support).

When you start imposing rules that only affect certain areas of the country you cause resentment, especially from those who are less vulnerable to the effects of Covid (under thirties) this ultamitly will lead to less compliance within those areas.

As the saying goes "we are all in this together" and if we want to get on top of this pandemic we need to move as one and stop going round in circles....A bit here a bit there will eventually lead us into anorchy if we are not careful.

As an aside, I'm sure most of us are now seeing similarities between Trump and Boris.....Both being full of bullsh*t! !

If you feel so strongly that the current govt is not doing enough then I would suggest you should be seeking election as an MP so you can sort it out.

It was suggested to me that l put myself forward as a councillor but as it would have involved writing coherent letters l thought better of it. I clearly know my limitations perhaps Boris should know his and resign.

Onelife, let's put it this way, you could hardly do any worse than the current incumbent - I know that isn;t saying much and may even be a slight upon your own capabilities.

I am however assuming that you don't have any skeletons in the closet such as aiding some thugs to beat up journalists who disagreed with you.

[Stephen]

There was the Adonia incident Ken. But we're keeping that quiet.......for now

[Gill W]

Of course it did help that New Zealand's population is 2 parts of b*******l.

Don't believe everything that you read in the papers, or on the news. New Zealand was not as disciplined as many would have us believe.

However, it did work for them

But it won't work for us

[towny44]

Of course it did help that New Zealand's population is 2 parts of b*******l.

Don't believe everything that you read in the papers, or on the news. New Zealand was not as disciplined as many would have us believe.

However, it did work for them

But it won't work for us

When social distancing is part of the fabric of your society then it is much easier to prevent the infection spreading.

[Onelife]

With the greatest respect keefy, that’s a load of nonsense.
If the only way to keep on top of the virus is a national lockdown, then what happens when the lockdown comes to an end.
Unless you are happy to live in a state of permanent lockdown until the vaccine is rolled out, then you’re just kicking the can down the road again.

As soon as the country reopens, it all starts again.
This is not unique to us.
If you read european press, it’s pretty much the same all over the continent.
The moans in the U.K. are exactly the same moans in France, Spain etc.
Comments in the Times of Malta today were asking why their government is not following the U.K. method of tiered stages?

Nothing short of a total lockdown and closure of the external border will eliminate this virus, as New Zealand have done.
Do you think that the U.K. population will put up with that?

Sorry Barney I missed your post….

There will be no solution until we have an effective vaccine so in the meantime, we need to look at the only tried and tested way of containing this virus to a level that doesn’t send thousands more to an early grave…any ideas?
I’ve already explained what I think could be a compromise to the problem but let’s carry on until we have no option but to lockdown for months…. that would be my definition of a load of nonsense.

[Onelife]

I could resist no longer and pulled someone up in a store this morning for not wearing his mask. He responded amicably with his girlfriend also apologising.

We noticed he was sniffing for England while walking round the store with his nose uncovered, but I let it slide, plus I wanted keep as far away as possible. But at the check out who should pitch up at the next checkout, yes you guessed it, Mr snotty, and at this stage with no mask at all. I could resist no longer and politely said, 'excuse me but you should be wearing a mask'. No drama, verbal's, or a knife in the chest, just a quick look and put his mask on.


Mind you he was only ten

Direct action is the answer. Well done. I think more of us should be doing this.

I agree Gill…although I’m pleased to hear Stephen didn’t confiscate the kids sweets

[barney]

With the greatest respect keefy, that’s a load of nonsense.
If the only way to keep on top of the virus is a national lockdown, then what happens when the lockdown comes to an end.
Unless you are happy to live in a state of permanent lockdown until the vaccine is rolled out, then you’re just kicking the can down the road again.

As soon as the country reopens, it all starts again.
This is not unique to us.
If you read european press, it’s pretty much the same all over the continent.
The moans in the U.K. are exactly the same moans in France, Spain etc.
Comments in the Times of Malta today were asking why their government is not following the U.K. method of tiered stages?

Nothing short of a total lockdown and closure of the external border will eliminate this virus, as New Zealand have done.
Do you think that the U.K. population will put up with that?

Sorry Barney I missed your post….

There will be no solution until we have an effective vaccine so in the meantime, we need to look at the only tried and tested way of containing this virus to a level that doesn’t send thousands more to an early grave…any ideas?
I’ve already explained what I think could be a compromise to the problem but let’s carry on until we have no option but to lockdown for months…. that would be my definition of a load of nonsense.

Alternatively, keep the vulnerable and old duffers away from the points of contagion.
Stay home
Stay safe if you fall in to that bracket.
That’s my solution.
Until there is a vaccine.

[david63]

There will be no solution until we have an effective vaccine

There is no guarantee that there ever will be one.

doesn’t send thousands more to an early grave

That, at some point, is something that we are going to have to accept - just as we do with flu and many other conditions.

[screwy]

Or we could just have a Coup !
Some of our obviously highly intelligent forumers could take high level positions,obviously some that aren’t beneath them .
The rest of us could then sit back and take the p... as the world disintegrates around us.?

Sorry, thought I would inject a bit of humour.

[Onelife]

With the greatest respect keefy, that’s a load of nonsense.
If the only way to keep on top of the virus is a national lockdown, then what happens when the lockdown comes to an end.
Unless you are happy to live in a state of permanent lockdown until the vaccine is rolled out, then you’re just kicking the can down the road again.

As soon as the country reopens, it all starts again.
This is not unique to us.
If you read european press, it’s pretty much the same all over the continent.
The moans in the U.K. are exactly the same moans in France, Spain etc.
Comments in the Times of Malta today were asking why their government is not following the U.K. method of tiered stages?

Nothing short of a total lockdown and closure of the external border will eliminate this virus, as New Zealand have done.
Do you think that the U.K. population will put up with that?

Sorry Barney I missed your post….

There will be no solution until we have an effective vaccine so in the meantime, we need to look at the only tried and tested way of containing this virus to a level that doesn’t send thousands more to an early grave…any ideas?
I’ve already explained what I think could be a compromise to the problem but let’s carry on until we have no option but to lockdown for months…. that would be my definition of a load of nonsense.

Alternatively, keep the vulnerable and old duffers away from the points of contagion.
Stay home
Stay safe if you fall in to that bracket.
That’s my solution.
Until there is a vaccine.

Unfurtunatly Barney a large proportion of the old duffers (suseptable) are still of a working age.

[Kendhni]

I never thought I would say it but I agree with Starmer, there may still be time for a short hard shutdown for 2-3 weeks to reset the country. That could protect the Christmas period giving the economy a much needed boost.

[Kendhni]

Or we could just have a Coup !
Some of our obviously highly intelligent forumers could take high level positions,obviously some that aren’t beneath them .
The rest of us could then sit back and take the p... as the world disintegrates around us.?

Sorry, thought I would inject a bit of humour.

Even Corbyn and Abbott could probably have done better than the bumbling buffoon we currently have.

To those that don't believe it, then it is funny.
To those that may believe it, then the irony is a killer.

[Kendhni]

There will be no solution until we have an effective vaccine so in the meantime, we need to look at the only tried and tested way of containing this virus to a level that doesn’t send thousands more to an early grave…any ideas?
I’ve already explained what I think could be a compromise to the problem but let’s carry on until we have no option but to lockdown for months…. that would be my definition of a load of nonsense.

There has now been more than one report of confirmed incidents of people catching COVID more than once. That might mean that the virus can mutate quicker than our anti-bodies can react which could mean they vaccinate us on Monday and by the end of the week we catch a different strain. Plus we have yet to see how COVID and the normal viruses at this time of year decide to play.

I fear our governments lack of balls to take the required action, as advised by its own SAGE group, could result in an extended lockdown which, if it comes in the run up to Christmas, then the only Christmas present a lot of people will be getting is their redundancy cheque.

Another hospital over here has announced, this morning, that it is closing its doors to non-emergency admissions.

[Onelife]

I never thought I would say it but I agree with Starmer, there may still be time for a short hard shutdown for 2-3 weeks to reset the country. That could protect the Christmas period giving the economy a much needed boost.

Had he had the foresight/courage to say what some of us were saying weeks/ months ago then I would give credit where credit due, but he didn’t so in my book he is just as weak as Boris.

Bring back Theresa

[Gill W]

Of course it did help that New Zealand's population is 2 parts of b*******l.

Don't believe everything that you read in the papers, or on the news. New Zealand was not as disciplined as many would have us believe.

However, it did work for them

But it won't work for us

When social distancing is part of the fabric of your society then it is much easier to prevent the infection spreading.

They live in cities. They aren’t all spread out equally over the entire country!