Life After Brexit

[Onelife]

I thought this made interesting reading....from a Brexiteers prospective


https://briefingsforbritain.co.uk/uk-tr ... -overnight

I believe we now have tariff free trade deals with S Korea as well as Japan, so I rather suspect that BMW and Mercedes might have a lot more competition from Lexus and Infiniti, and VW from Kia and Hyundai if there is no trade deal. I wonder what the German VDA will be thinking today?

I think they along with Merkel will be thinking how can they get that dead weight Macron off their backs in order that we can move this process forward.

[Manoverboard]

One european leader said today that the U.K. needs to explain what it wants and they need more clarity.

Seriously ?

As Bocelli sang ..... time to say goodbye

Like most, I was expecting to leave on a deal.
Like most, I expected the EU to be serious.

They’ve basically done exactly what they did during the Greece crisis, while failing to understand that the U.K. is not the supplicant party.

Edit < sorry wrong thread

Not any more it isn't

[towny44]

I thought this made interesting reading....from a Brexiteers prospective


https://briefingsforbritain.co.uk/uk-tr ... -overnight

I believe we now have tariff free trade deals with S Korea as well as Japan, so I rather suspect that BMW and Mercedes might have a lot more competition from Lexus and Infiniti, and VW from Kia and Hyundai if there is no trade deal. I wonder what the German VDA will be thinking today?

I think they along with Merkel will be thinking how can they get that dead weight Macron off their backs in order that we can move this process forward.

I agree totally, I think he might end up as Caesar to Merkel's Brutus.

[barney]

What must not be forgotten is that a trade deal is not necessary to trade.
The two biggest export markets for the Eu are currently China and the USA.
Neither have a trade agreement.
Come January, their third biggest export market will be the U.K., also without a trade deal.
It’s not the end of the world.

Our Danish supplier has asked that we take the Early Spring collection in December to avoid potential problems.
No issues for us as they are happy to defer payment.

Business finds a way, unless they are a bit dumb.

[Stephen]

Brexit: Trade talks with the EU are over, says No 10 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54566897

[barney]

Macron says .... Pffff !

[oldbluefox]

The French fishermen will not be heureux!!! Sacre bleu!!!!

[towny44]

The French fishermen will not be heureux!!! Sacre bleu!!!!

They could be even less happy if we exclude them totally after a no deal.

[oldbluefox]

The French fishermen will not be heureux!!! Sacre bleu!!!!

They could be even less happy if we exclude them totally after a no deal.

Absolutely!!!! And Macron may be in a spot of bother with them and Mrs Merkel will not be happy either. Keefy's article made for interesting reading. In case you missed it the first time.........

https://briefingsforbritain.co.uk/uk-tr ... overnight/

[Ray Scully]

If Boris really is true to his word

Warning OXYMORON alert

[Manoverboard]

If Boris really is true to his word

Warning OXYMORON alert

I really don't think you should be calling ' OL ' a poxy moron

[barney]

Billions spent on Brexit will look like loose change compared to what's round the corner for positive contributing EU member countries.
Please read the attached story
https://www.politico.eu/article/parliam ... get-fight/

Yep !
1.82 TRILLION budget - 350 billion of that in non repayable grants to southern countries.

I wonder what our bill would have been should the UK decided to remain ?
Certainly billions more than has been spent on Brexit.

[oldbluefox]

I wonder how much has been wasted whilst various agencies argued over Brexit with the aim of trying to overcome the 2016 vote through protest, delaying tactics, numerous court cases and of course the cost of continued membership of the EU for the past four years. Wasted money because in the end the people had their say on the matter and were emphatic in their response.

[barney]

Hopefully common sense is starting to prevail

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-eu-h ... akthrough/

The EU ARE now willing to compromise, apparently ?

[Kendhni]

I wonder how much has been wasted whilst various agencies argued over Brexit with the aim of trying to overcome the 2016 vote through protest, delaying tactics, numerous court cases and of course the cost of continued membership of the EU for the past four years. Wasted money because in the end the people had their say on the matter and were emphatic in their response.

Wasted because the brexit camp had absolutely no plan, vision or strategy the boggest failing of which means that they have spectacularly failed to bring the other half of the country on side. While I am still hopeful that there will be a deal the fact is that if there isn't one then it is a monumental failure of the brexit leadership to deliver what they promised.

[barney]

I wonder how much has been wasted whilst various agencies argued over Brexit with the aim of trying to overcome the 2016 vote through protest, delaying tactics, numerous court cases and of course the cost of continued membership of the EU for the past four years. Wasted money because in the end the people had their say on the matter and were emphatic in their response.

Wasted because the brexit camp had absolutely no plan, vision or strategy the boggest failing of which means that they have spectacularly failed to bring the other half of the country on side. While I am still hopeful that there will be a deal the fact is that if there isn't one then it is a monumental failure of the brexit leadership to deliver what they promised.

Alternatively a massive failure by Barnier who had one job to do and so far has failed miserably.
He retires in January, no doubt on a huge pension, rewarding abject failure.

[towny44]

I wonder how much has been wasted whilst various agencies argued over Brexit with the aim of trying to overcome the 2016 vote through protest, delaying tactics, numerous court cases and of course the cost of continued membership of the EU for the past four years. Wasted money because in the end the people had their say on the matter and were emphatic in their response.

Wasted because the brexit camp had absolutely no plan, vision or strategy the boggest failing of which means that they have spectacularly failed to bring the other half of the country on side. While I am still hopeful that there will be a deal the fact is that if there isn't one then it is a monumental failure of the brexit leadership to deliver what they promised.

You sound more and more like a disgruntled losing football supporter after their team has lost a vital game, man up and accept the defeat instead of continually throwing your toys out of the pram.

[Gill W]

I read the article and it said that Barnier is seeking compromises from BOTH sides.

I know many would like to believe that this signals the EU are suddenly going to roll over about fish and bungs to businesses (sorry, I mean state aid).

But I think it means they are willing to carry on talking. Nothing has changed.

[david63]

I read the article and it said that Barnier is seeking compromises from BOTH sides.

Isn't that what a compromise is? Both sides meeting somewhere in the middle

[Manoverboard]

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[Kendhni]

I wonder how much has been wasted whilst various agencies argued over Brexit with the aim of trying to overcome the 2016 vote through protest, delaying tactics, numerous court cases and of course the cost of continued membership of the EU for the past four years. Wasted money because in the end the people had their say on the matter and were emphatic in their response.

Wasted because the brexit camp had absolutely no plan, vision or strategy the boggest failing of which means that they have spectacularly failed to bring the other half of the country on side. While I am still hopeful that there will be a deal the fact is that if there isn't one then it is a monumental failure of the brexit leadership to deliver what they promised.

You sound more and more like a disgruntled losing football supporter after their team has lost a vital game, man up and accept the defeat instead of continually throwing your toys out of the pram.

You epitomise the arrogance of many brexiteers. All brexiteers seem to have is to cower behind made up or misleading statements. Maybe they need to man up and accept that they won and are 100% responsible for the clusterf**k they have made of brexit ... instead of their usual playing the old 'it is somebody elses fault' card and throwing toys about like babies when anybody dares to expose the lies, or question the crass incompetence, the acceptance of low standards, the lack of planning and the lack of strategy the brexit leadership has shown.

As I said before we have a minister totally devoted in strategising what to do if the government fails to deliver on its promises, but we do not have a minister devoted to what to do if the government is successful in delivering the brexit they promised. I still live in the hope that somewhere among the brexteer leadership they will find the communal brain cell and deliver something to this country - after all they have spent somewhere between £150bn-200bn** so far and allowed somewhere in the region of £1.5tn of assets to be removed from the UK along with many jobs and not forgetting that the governments estimate for replacing the EU institutions and political infrastructure ranges from £5bn to £13bn per year (makes the EU contribution look like loose change).

As Farage (the multi-millionaire) said 'it was never about the money', and he is right, brexit never was about the money, or immigration or sovereignty, that was just how they sold it to the plebs ... it was always about the rich multi-millionaire elite avoiding new tax scrutiny laws being introduced by the EU.


** figures do not include the £300bn of QE that the government has created this year - nominally for the COVID crisis which has cost somewhere i the region of £80bn. The question arises as to how much of that QE is being repurposed towards brexit. Not saying that is a bad thing, it would just be nice to know.

[barney]

One of your best rants yet.
Rubbish but entertaining nonetheless .

We’re still waiting for the exodus in the City that you predicted.

[Gill W]

I read the article and it said that Barnier is seeking compromises from BOTH sides.

Isn't that what a compromise is? Both sides meeting somewhere in the middle

The other side has to be prepared to move too. The article gave no indication that the U.K. is willing to charge their position

[Gill W]

I take it everyone who voted for Brexit is happy about the Brexit that is going to be delivered, even though it’s completely different to what was promised?

I haven’t seen any qualms from anyone, so I can only assume that you are happy.

Even though the country is virtually on its knees from Covid, I haven’t seen anybody wondering if this is really such a good idea after all.

In the light of this, I’m not expecting any complaints at all in January!

[barney]

I have no issues.
Our government have continually offered options from fishing to governance.
It’s the other side who have been intransigent until now.
I’m sure someone as well read as you will be aware that we’ve already offered a negotiated deal on fishing that the Eu rejected.
It seems that we are to be treated as a third country except in areas that are beneficial to the Eu, I.e. fishing, security etc.
Cake and eat it ?
I’ve always preferred to leave with some sort of agreement, but if not, we’ll just move on.

The predictions of the U.K. demise are greatly exaggerated.