Life After Brexit

[towny44]

I read the article and it said that Barnier is seeking compromises from BOTH sides.

Isn't that what a compromise is? Both sides meeting somewhere in the middle

The other side has to be prepared to move too. The article gave no indication that the U.K. is willing to charge their position

My understanding is that we have already conceded as .much as we are prepared to, we now need the EU to give way as well.

[towny44]

I take it everyone who voted for Brexit is happy about the Brexit that is going to be delivered, even though it’s completely different to what was promised?

I haven’t seen any qualms from anyone, so I can only assume that you are happy.

Even though the country is virtually on its knees from Covid, I haven’t seen anybody wondering if this is really such a good idea after all.

In the light of this, I’m not expecting any complaints at all in January!

I dont want a no deal but unless the EU are now prepared to make concessions, that's what is likely, and you will hear no complaints from me.

[Manoverboard]

I take it everyone who voted for Brexit is happy about the Brexit that is going to be delivered, even though it’s completely different to what was promised?

I haven’t seen any qualms from anyone, so I can only assume that you are happy.

Even though the country is virtually on its knees from Covid, I haven’t seen anybody wondering if this is really such a good idea after all.

In the light of this, I’m not expecting any complaints at all in January!

Extremely happy and you'll get no complaints from me in January or beyond but I am of course one of the brain dead plebs alluded to earlier. Covid will not be forever even for us who are shielding but the Federal impact and burden of the EU would have been. We will soon be able to fight our corner knowing that the EU wouldn't ever have done it for us.

I also believe there will be a deal and I for one will happily accept and adjust to it.

ps ... the only Brexit promise that I really cared about was to LEAVE
.

[Kendhni]

One of your best rants yet.
Rubbish but entertaining nonetheless .

We’re still waiting for the exodus in the City that you predicted.

I never predicted an exodus from the city - probably just another of your many lies ?

There were some predictions of up to 10K finance jobs moving, but the estimate to date is that only about 7,500 financial jobs have moved.
Similarly it appears that financial institutions have so far moved over £1 trillion of assets outside of the UK.
In a recent survey many of the finance companies claimed they were playing a wait-and-see game.
On the plus side several banks and finance institutions said they would retain a satellite office in the UK for legal reasons.

[Kendhni]

I take it everyone who voted for Brexit is happy about the Brexit that is going to be delivered, even though it’s completely different to what was promised?

I haven’t seen any qualms from anyone, so I can only assume that you are happy.

Even though the country is virtually on its knees from Covid, I haven’t seen anybody wondering if this is really such a good idea after all.

In the light of this, I’m not expecting any complaints at all in January!

Extremely happy and you'll get no complaints from me in January or beyond but I am of course one of the brain dead plebs alluded to earlier. Covid will not be forever even for us who are shielding but the Federal impact and burden of the EU would have been. We will soon be able to fight our corner knowing that the EU wouldn't ever have done it for us.

I also believe there will be a deal and I for one will happily accept and adjust to it.

ps ... the only Brexit promise that I really cared about was to LEAVE
.

In that case you have already got 100% of what you wanted - so whatever the deal is is exactly what you voted for.

[towny44]

I take it everyone who voted for Brexit is happy about the Brexit that is going to be delivered, even though it’s completely different to what was promised?

I haven’t seen any qualms from anyone, so I can only assume that you are happy.

Even though the country is virtually on its knees from Covid, I haven’t seen anybody wondering if this is really such a good idea after all.

In the light of this, I’m not expecting any complaints at all in January!

Extremely happy and you'll get no complaints from me in January or beyond but I am of course one of the brain dead plebs alluded to earlier. Covid will not be forever even for us who are shielding but the Federal impact and burden of the EU would have been. We will soon be able to fight our corner knowing that the EU wouldn't ever have done it for us.

I also believe there will be a deal and I for one will happily accept and adjust to it.

ps ... the only Brexit promise that I really cared about was to LEAVE
.

In that case you have already got 100% of what you wanted - so whatever the deal is is exactly what you voted for.

For once an accurate assessment from you Ken, I do hope for many more, but I somehow have my doubts.

[oldbluefox]

I see the arrogance of the EU and its supporters and I cannot wait to see the back of this self serving sham of an organisation, deal or no deal. The sooner we are untangled from its clutches the better.

[Gill W]

Great, no complaints in January.

[oldbluefox]

Great, no complaints in January.

None whatsoever, not from me and around these parts none from others either. Will be glad to see the back of the gravy train and all of its hangers on.

[barney]

Great, no complaints in January.

None whatsoever, not from me and around these parts none from others either. Will be glad to see the back of the gravy train and all of its hangers on.

What ?
What ?

Don’t you know that remain represent the majority?

They managed to persuade nearly a million anti democrats to have a sunny day out in London in protest.
Pret and Costa recorded record sales.
White, middle class, middle age , having a jolly time.

[Gill W]

No moaning or complaints in January, but I will use my foresight, and guarantee that you won’t be able to stop yourselves sniping about ‘Remainers’ and the EU!

You won, get over it !

[Kendhni]

I see the arrogance of the EU and its supporters and I cannot wait to see the back of this self serving sham of an organisation, deal or no deal. The sooner we are untangled from its clutches the better.

The entanglement is 100% the doing of the UK government and its own arrogance. The UK, as with any country, has always had the option of settling their bill and walking away without a deal but they insisted that they wanted their cake and eat it. Walking away is and always will be open to the UK, however despite the lies, spin and (tiny little) sabre rattling from this government they know that is not in their best interests and would be an economic disaster for the UK (especially in these times).

The best thing they did was take the negotiations behind closed doors rather than letting the media wind the party faithful up on a daily basis with all their faux patriotism. Internationally it is the UK that is seen as acting in bad faith through arrogance - the international satirists writers are having a field day with Johnson.

The government only has a couple of months left to deliver the brexit they put on the table and promised the people of the UK. They have to stop obvious posturing and start delivering or admit that they, the UK government, have failed and are responsible in the delivery of an orderly brexit. The problem is we have deceitful liar as a prime minister who has surrounded himself with yes-men who never takes responsibility for his actions.

[Kendhni]

No moaning or complaints in January, but I will use my foresight, and guarantee that you won’t be able to stop yourselves sniping about ‘Remainers’ and the EU!

You won, get over it !

I suspect you are 100% correct - I am waiting for brexiteers to start owning brexit rather than playing the blame game (they can only hide behind their make believe world and lies for so long, eventually reality catches up).

Maybe in January we might find the government actually has a post-brexit plan and strategy - although more than likely I think Johnson will run for the hills and leave the mess for someone else to sort out - that is his modus operandi.

[johnds]

Maybe in January we might find the government actually has a post-brexit plan and strategy - although more than likely I think Johnson will run for the hills and leave the mess for someone else to sort out - that is his modus operandi.

Are you volunteering ? You're obviously clever enough

[Kendhni]

Maybe in January we might find the government actually has a post-brexit plan and strategy - although more than likely I think Johnson will run for the hills and leave the mess for someone else to sort out - that is his modus operandi.

Are you volunteering ? You're obviously clever enough

Ah, that old chestnut.
Already answered.

[Manoverboard]

ps ... the only Brexit promise that I really cared about was to LEAVE
.

In that case you have already got 100% of what you wanted - so whatever the deal is is exactly what you voted for.

I have indeed albeit the end deal will be a compromise of my ' ideal deal ' but I will accept it with good grace.

ps .... Viva Boris for getting us out of their self serving clutches

[towny44]

No moaning or complaints in January, but I will use my foresight, and guarantee that you won’t be able to stop yourselves sniping about ‘Remainers’ and the EU!

You won, get over it !

I suspect you are 100% correct - I am waiting for brexiteers to start owning brexit rather than playing the blame game (they can only hide behind their make believe world and lies for so long, eventually reality catches up).

Maybe in January we might find the government actually has a post-brexit plan and strategy - although more than likely I think Johnson will run for the hills and leave the mess for someone else to sort out - that is his modus operandi.

You mean like he left a well financed and run London behind for a Labour nobody to run into the ground?

[barney]

I see the arrogance of the EU and its supporters and I cannot wait to see the back of this self serving sham of an organisation, deal or no deal. The sooner we are untangled from its clutches the better.

The entanglement is 100% the doing of the UK government and its own arrogance. The UK, as with any country, has always had the option of settling their bill and walking away without a deal but they insisted that they wanted their cake and eat it. Walking away is and always will be open to the UK, however despite the lies, spin and (tiny little) sabre rattling from this government they know that is not in their best interests and would be an economic disaster for the UK (especially in these times).

The best thing they did was take the negotiations behind closed doors rather than letting the media wind the party faithful up on a daily basis with all their faux patriotism. Internationally it is the UK that is seen as acting in bad faith through arrogance - the international satirists writers are having a field day with Johnson.

The government only has a couple of months left to deliver the brexit they put on the table and promised the people of the UK. They have to stop obvious posturing and start delivering or admit that they, the UK government, have failed and are responsible in the delivery of an orderly brexit. The problem is we have deceitful liar as a prime minister who has surrounded himself with yes-men who never takes responsibility for his actions.

Now there we are in total agreement.
Your Tory government handled it ridiculously badly from the start by agreeing the sequencing.
Had there been a Brexit Prime Minister in place at the time, it would all be sorted by now.
You Tories elected Teresa May, who was a closet remainer, or at very best, a fence sitter.

As of yet, I haven’t read a single article that justified the ‘bill’ as you so diplomatically put it.
It seems weird that a country can contribute literally hundreds of billions and still end up owing money, unless it was a political bribe, which I suspect.
The Withdrawal Agreement was unnecessary and was clearly a stalling tactic while the anti democrats could try and convince the electorate to change their minds.

I think that the very simple fact of the Tories winning an 80 seat majority shows how out of touch the anti democrats are with the general public.
Most live in a sounding chamber and generally communicate with others of the same view.

Anyone who thinks differently or disagrees is leaving themselves open to general insults.
We’ve heard them all on here.

As I’ve said previously.
Put up or shut up.
If the anti democrats are so sure that they are correct, run for office and prove it.

If this nation is so intolerable to live in, then they have has four and a half years to make other arrangements.
Ireland is nice.
France has a nice climate down south.
Spain is usually sunny.
Denmark has good social care if you don’t mind 40% income tax as a start point.
Italy has great food.

Lot’s of choice to leave this backward little rock on the edge of civilisation.
Makes you wonder why nearly four million EU citizens have chosen to come here, doesn’t it.

[oldbluefox]

I see the arrogance of the EU and its supporters and I cannot wait to see the back of this self serving sham of an organisation, deal or no deal. The sooner we are untangled from its clutches the better.

The entanglement is 100% the doing of the UK government and its own arrogance.

Considering the argument put forward by our Remainer friends that we are such an insignificant little nation compared to the might of the EU I cannot understand why they should be so concerned about the insignificant amount of trade they do with us or quibbling over a few fish. Not worth arguing about.

[barney]

I see the arrogance of the EU and its supporters and I cannot wait to see the back of this self serving sham of an organisation, deal or no deal. The sooner we are untangled from its clutches the better.

The entanglement is 100% the doing of the UK government and its own arrogance.

Considering the argument put forward by our Remainer friends that we are such an insignificant little nation compared to the might of the EU I cannot understand why they should be so concerned about the insignificant amount of trade they do with us or quibbling over a few fish. Not worth arguing about.

That’s a constant source of confusion for me too Foxy.
One day we are a basket case economy on the periphery of the greatest bloc in history and the next we are a major economy and a threat?
Which one depends on how the wind blows.

[barney]

A question for our posters on this forum.

Do you think that the U.K. should accept the terms of the EU regarding fishing, that is, the status quo ?

Do you think that the U.K. should accept the ECJ as the superior court with regards to disputes?

Do you think that the U.K. should accept all future Eu laws with regards to state aid of industry?

Those are the sticking points.

[Manoverboard]

A question for our posters on this forum.

Do you think that the U.K. should accept the terms of the EU regarding fishing, that is, the status quo ?

Do you think that the U.K. should accept the ECJ as the superior court with regards to disputes?

Do you think that the U.K. should accept all future Eu laws with regards to state aid of industry?

Those are the sticking points.

NON, NON et NON

[david63]

A question for our posters on this forum.

Do you think that the U.K. should accept the terms of the EU regarding fishing, that is, the status quo ?

Do you think that the U.K. should accept the ECJ as the superior court with regards to disputes?

Do you think that the U.K. should accept all future Eu laws with regards to state aid of industry?

Those are the sticking points.

Accepting them with a time limit attached, although not ideal, is an option if it gets the trade deal through

[Gill W]

The entanglement is 100% the doing of the UK government and its own arrogance.

Considering the argument put forward by our Remainer friends that we are such an insignificant little nation compared to the might of the EU I cannot understand why they should be so concerned about the insignificant amount of trade they do with us or quibbling over a few fish. Not worth arguing about.

That’s a constant source of confusion for me too Foxy.
One day we are a basket case economy on the periphery of the greatest bloc in history and the next we are a major economy and a threat?
Which one depends on how the wind blows.

It’s a constant source of of confusion for me as well.
One day our Leaver friends complain that we were bullied within the EU by France and Germany and the next day we hold all the cards in negotiations and our sheer British clout means we can trade successfully throughout the world with barely a trade deal to our name.
Which one depends on how the wind blows

[Gill W]

A question for our posters on this forum.

Do you think that the U.K. should accept the terms of the EU regarding fishing, that is, the status quo ?

Do you think that the U.K. should accept the ECJ as the superior court with regards to disputes?

Do you think that the U.K. should accept all future Eu laws with regards to state aid of industry?

Those are the sticking points.

Why is fish so important when it’s a minuscule part of our economy

Are other courts available?

I think some agreement on state aid is important otherwise there will be nothing to stop this government bunging more money at its cronies