Life After Brexit

[oldbluefox]

We will ALL be deliriously happy since no matter what the deal you will be critical of it, wave your little star studded berets in the air and be able to say I told you so and we will be free of the EU gravy train.

[Gill W]

Where should we move to ... we have simply continued to await the end game of Brexit.

26 days to go or even sooner if the French stop being difficult

1st January is not really the end, it’s just the beginning. When Brexit reality finally kicks in.

However, if you all stop moaning about the EU, the French, the Germans, Barnier, Remainers etc etc and embrace and enjoy your longed for freedom and own all that it entails......
It will be an actual tangible benefit of Brexit, the first one that I have encountered

[Gill W]

We will ALL be deliriously happy since no matter what the deal you will be critical of it, wave your little star studded berets in the air and be able to say I told you so and we will be free of the EU gravy train.

Hoorah, no more moaning when your freedom is bestowed.

[Stephen]

I thought the cartoon in the Wail today was very amusing

[david63]

I think I might just be missing something here.

The French are not happy about having 18% (I think that was the last figure I read) of something so would settle for 100% of nothing! Add to that that if they have 100% of nothing then we will not be allowed to sell our fish in the EU - so does that mean that the EU are going to stop eating fish? Answers on a postcard to M Barnier!

[towny44]

You forgot Bojo Merv, but yes.

No Ray. Bojo is only trying to deliver the outcome of the referendum. The others caused it.

I think history will prove that Bojo's decision (the two letters) as to which side to support was a main determinant in the outcome of the referendum. He really is a latter day pied piper. Anyways I shall now be keeping my powder dry for a while.

Ray, can I suggest you follow my advice to Ken and read John Humphreys article in todays mail. He also voted remain

[Ray Scully]

No Ray. Bojo is only trying to deliver the outcome of the referendum. The others caused it.

I think history will prove that Bojo's decision (the two letters) as to which side to support was a main determinant in the outcome of the referendum. He really is a latter day pied piper. Anyways I shall now be keeping my powder dry for a while.

Ray, can I suggest you follow my advice to Ken and read John Humphreys article in todays mail. He also voted remain

John I am afraid that to ask me to read the Mail is going a step to far

[Ray Scully]

I think I might just be missing something here.

The French are not happy about having 18% (I think that was the last figure I read) of something so would settle for 100% of nothing! Add to that that if they have 100% of nothing then we will not be allowed to sell our fish in the EU - so does that mean that the EU are going to stop eating fish? Answers on a postcard to M Barnier!

So we could have own own updated version of the cod wars. Well it will keep our sailors busy

[towny44]

I think history will prove that Bojo's decision (the two letters) as to which side to support was a main determinant in the outcome of the referendum. He really is a latter day pied piper. Anyways I shall now be keeping my powder dry for a while.

Ray, can I suggest you follow my advice to Ken and read John Humphreys article in todays mail. He also voted remain

John I am afraid that to ask me to read the Mail is going a step to far

But presumably you would be happy for me to read the Guardian,?

[Manoverboard]

Where should we move to ... we have simply continued to await the end game of Brexit.

26 days to go or even sooner if the French stop being difficult

1st January is not really the end, it’s just the beginning. When Brexit reality finally kicks in.

However, if you all stop moaning about the EU, the French, the Germans, Barnier, Remainers etc etc and embrace and enjoy your longed for freedom and own all that it entails......
It will be an actual tangible benefit of Brexit, the first one that I have encountered

Because you were too young to remember what it was like pre EU ?

It'll be a ball, you'll learn to love it

ps ... fresh seafood for everybody I say not just the French

[Mervyn and Trish]

You forgot Bojo Merv, but yes.

No Ray. Bojo is only trying to deliver the outcome of the referendum. The others caused it.

I think history will prove that Bojo's decision (the two letters) as to which side to support was a main determinant in the outcome of the referendum. He really is a latter day pied piper. Anyways I shall now be keeping my powder dry for a while.

I can only speak for myself but it was the actions of the four I mentioned along with Cameron's Remain campaign that convinced me to vote on Leave. For me I took notice of Boris at that time.

[Ray Scully]

Ray, can I suggest you follow my advice to Ken and read John Humphreys article in todays mail. He also voted remain

John I am afraid that to ask me to read the Mail is going a step to far

But presumably you would be happy for me to read the Guardian,?

No don't take the Guardian. However I read the JH article on line and I do have a degree of respect for his views. I have long since accepted the result of the referendum. it's done. However I have a problem squaring the deal asserverated as possible and the reality of the situation. I fear for those in our society that will be adversely effected by either a poor deal or god forbid a no deal. This was not something promised at the referendum

[screwy]

I reckon Ray is an avid Mirror reader, that impartial,unbiased seeker of truth and justice, just guessing mind.

[towny44]

John I am afraid that to ask me to read the Mail is going a step to far

But presumably you would be happy for me to read the Guardian,?

No don't take the Guardian. However I read the JH article on line and I do have a degree of respect for his views. I have long since accepted the result of the referendum. it's done. However I have a problem squaring the deal asserverated as possible and the reality of the situation. I fear for those in our society that will be adversely effected by either a poor deal or god forbid a no deal. This was not something promised at the referendum

TBH promises made at the referendum were not relevant to most leavers, IMO, we just felt that this was most likely the last opportunity we would be given in our lifetime to try and extricate ourselves from the EU. It is the remainers who keep on about these promises, I always expected that there was likely to be an economic downside to leaving, BUT this would be a price worth paying in the long run.

[Gill W]

Where should we move to ... we have simply continued to await the end game of Brexit.

26 days to go or even sooner if the French stop being difficult

1st January is not really the end, it’s just the beginning. When Brexit reality finally kicks in.

However, if you all stop moaning about the EU, the French, the Germans, Barnier, Remainers etc etc and embrace and enjoy your longed for freedom and own all that it entails......
It will be an actual tangible benefit of Brexit, the first one that I have encountered

Because you were too young to remember what it was like pre EU ?

It'll be a ball, you'll learn to love it

ps ... fresh seafood for everybody I say not just the French

I'm not sure how old you think I am, but I'm definitely old enough to remember before the UK joined the EU

The thing is, the world has changed in the last 50 years, and I personally think it is neither desirable or feasible to go back to a time that people only remember with rose coloured spectacles..

[Gill W]

But presumably you would be happy for me to read the Guardian,?

No don't take the Guardian. However I read the JH article on line and I do have a degree of respect for his views. I have long since accepted the result of the referendum. it's done. However I have a problem squaring the deal asserverated as possible and the reality of the situation. I fear for those in our society that will be adversely effected by either a poor deal or god forbid a no deal. This was not something promised at the referendum

TBH promises made at the referendum were not relevant to most leavers, IMO, we just felt that this was most likely the last opportunity we would be given in our lifetime to try and extricate ourselves from the EU. It is the remainers who keep on about these promises, I always expected that there was likely to be an economic downside to leaving, BUT this would be a price worth paying in the long run.

It's really odd, that people who have been worried about economic damage from lockdowns are ok about economic damage from Brexit

PS You seem to acknowledge that the Leave campaign lied to you, but you don't mind.

[towny44]

1st January is not really the end, it’s just the beginning. When Brexit reality finally kicks in.

However, if you all stop moaning about the EU, the French, the Germans, Barnier, Remainers etc etc and embrace and enjoy your longed for freedom and own all that it entails......
It will be an actual tangible benefit of Brexit, the first one that I have encountered

Because you were too young to remember what it was like pre EU ?

It'll be a ball, you'll learn to love it

ps ... fresh seafood for everybody I say not just the French

I'm not sure how old you think I am, but I'm definitely old enough to remember before the UK joined the EU

The thing is, the world has changed in the last 50 years, and I personally think it is neither desirable or feasible to go back to a time that people only remember with rose coloured spectacles..

I do not consider this to be a backward step at all Gill, far from it I look forward to the future with far more enthusiasm that I would if we were still in the EU.

[towny44]

No don't take the Guardian. However I read the JH article on line and I do have a degree of respect for his views. I have long since accepted the result of the referendum. it's done. However I have a problem squaring the deal asserverated as possible and the reality of the situation. I fear for those in our society that will be adversely effected by either a poor deal or god forbid a no deal. This was not something promised at the referendum

TBH promises made at the referendum were not relevant to most leavers, IMO, we just felt that this was most likely the last opportunity we would be given in our lifetime to try and extricate ourselves from the EU. It is the remainers who keep on about these promises, I always expected that there was likely to be an economic downside to leaving, BUT this would be a price worth paying in the long run.

It's really odd, that people who have been worried about economic damage from lockdowns are ok about economic damage from Brexit

PS You seem to acknowledge that the Leave campaign lied to you, but you don't mind.

If you are unable to comprehend the difference between the 2 scenarios, then I would suggest you need to look more closely at your understanding of economics.

[Gill W]

Because you were too young to remember what it was like pre EU ?

It'll be a ball, you'll learn to love it

ps ... fresh seafood for everybody I say not just the French

I'm not sure how old you think I am, but I'm definitely old enough to remember before the UK joined the EU

The thing is, the world has changed in the last 50 years, and I personally think it is neither desirable or feasible to go back to a time that people only remember with rose coloured spectacles..

I do not consider this to be a backward step at all Gill, far from it I look forward to the future with far more enthusiasm that I would if we were still in the EU.

Excellent, I look forward to 1st January when this forum actually starts enjoying its future, and not moaning all the time

[towny44]

I'm not sure how old you think I am, but I'm definitely old enough to remember before the UK joined the EU

The thing is, the world has changed in the last 50 years, and I personally think it is neither desirable or feasible to go back to a time that people only remember with rose coloured spectacles..

I do not consider this to be a backward step at all Gill, far from it I look forward to the future with far more enthusiasm that I would if we were still in the EU.

Excellent, I look forward to 1st January when this forum actually starts enjoying its future, and not moaning all the time

I have no doubt you will be back regularly to remind us of the great mistake we made.

[Ray Scully]

TBH promises made at the referendum were not relevant to most leavers, IMO, we just felt that this was most likely the last opportunity we would be given in our lifetime to try and extricate ourselves from the EU. It is the remainers who keep on about these promises, I always expected that there was likely to be an economic downside to leaving, BUT this would be a price worth paying in the long run.

Worth paying for who John, the same old suspects? those at the bottom of the pile who were most disadvantaged by the 'bank crisis' those hardest hit by the job losses resulting from Coved. I know that me and my family will undoubtedly come through whatever happens relatively unscathed, but that does not make me any less fearful and concerned for those who don't.

[Gill W]

TBH promises made at the referendum were not relevant to most leavers, IMO, we just felt that this was most likely the last opportunity we would be given in our lifetime to try and extricate ourselves from the EU. It is the remainers who keep on about these promises, I always expected that there was likely to be an economic downside to leaving, BUT this would be a price worth paying in the long run.

It's really odd, that people who have been worried about economic damage from lockdowns are ok about economic damage from Brexit

PS You seem to acknowledge that the Leave campaign lied to you, but you don't mind.

If you are unable to comprehend the difference between the 2 scenarios, then I would suggest you need to look more closely at your understanding of economics.

I could ask why economic damage from Brexit is desirable and economic damage from Covid should be avoided by all means necessary, even at the expense of people's health..... but, I'll be brutally honest, I'm not sure I want to hear what you have to say, so no need to reply.

[Gill W]

I do not consider this to be a backward step at all Gill, far from it I look forward to the future with far more enthusiasm that I would if we were still in the EU.

Excellent, I look forward to 1st January when this forum actually starts enjoying its future, and not moaning all the time

I have no doubt you will be back regularly to remind us of the great mistake we made.

Only if you keep moaning after Jan 1st

[david63]

I have said all along that this country's economy will be affected more by world events than by Brexit, not knowing at the time about Covid.

Covid is going to affect this country's economy, and most other countries economies, for the next 50+ years whereas Brexit will probably have some affect for possibly 10 - 15 years. In fact most of the negative effect of Brexit will get swallowed up with the Covid problems and any positive effect of Brexit will go some way to help easing the effect of Covid.

[towny44]

TBH promises made at the referendum were not relevant to most leavers, IMO, we just felt that this was most likely the last opportunity we would be given in our lifetime to try and extricate ourselves from the EU. It is the remainers who keep on about these promises, I always expected that there was likely to be an economic downside to leaving, BUT this would be a price worth paying in the long run.

Worth paying for who John, the same old suspects? those at the bottom of the pile who were most disadvantaged by the 'bank crisis' those hardest hit by the job losses resulting from Coved. I know that me and my family will undoubtedly come through whatever happens relatively unscathed, but that does not make me any less fearful and concerned for those who don't.

No matter how our economy performs there will always be some who are at the bottom of the ladder. It is the responsibility of govt to ensure that they do not suffer as a result and I have always felt that a Tory govt manages the economy far better than labour, and even if the gap from top to bottom grows, everyone is better off than under a Labour govt.