Life After Brexit

[david63]

And on the news today - gunboats at the ready

[Manoverboard]

If the French blocade their Ports they won't get any fish, have they thought this through properly

[david63]

As has been said many times over the last few years - it is not politicians that will drive a trade deal but businesses.

When fresh food starts going rotten before it reaches its destination, or French fishermen cannot fish then there will be a impetus from the EU side to have a deal. The problem then, for the EU, will be that we will be holding all the cards.

[towny44]

As has been said many times over the last few years - it is not politicians that will drive a trade deal but businesses.

When fresh food starts going rotten before it reaches its destination, or French fishermen cannot fish then there will be a impetus from the EU side to have a deal. The problem then, for the EU, will be that we will be holding all the cards.

I do hope you are right David, but until the EU can see beyond the belief that their single market is a precious commodity that has to be paid for, then I see no way for any agreement between us.

[Onelife]

As has been said many times over the last few years - it is not politicians that will drive a trade deal but businesses.

When fresh food starts going rotten before it reaches its destination, or French fishermen cannot fish then there will be a impetus from the EU side to have a deal. The problem then, for the EU, will be that we will be holding all the cards.

Good Point David

[Gill W]

‘when fresh food starts going rotten before it before it reaches its destination’.

That, of course works both ways,

We are heavily reliant on fresh fruit and vegetables coming into the country.

When supermarket shelves are bare of fresh produce, in the middle of a global pandemic in the middle of winter, how are the UK going to be ‘holding all the cards’

I can’t understand how anybody can still believe that. Surely, deep down, even if a person wants it to be true, they know on a rational basis that this is false.

[david63]

When supermarket shelves are bare of fresh produce

In case you had not noticed the supermarkets have been multi sourcing fresh produce for at least 12 months so yes there could be some shortages for a short period but long term it will be the EU producers who will suffer.

Also the boss of Tesco was on the news this week saying that they, and presumably other supermarkets, have been stockpiling non perishable products for some time in readiness of leaving the EU

[oldbluefox]

I genuinely do not understand what the problem is with the EU being unwilling to enter into a trade deal with us similar to that of Canada unless they are fearful of having a successful nation on their doorstep doing well which will give encouragement to others to follow suit. What exactly do they fear that they need to control so much? If they feel they are so much bigger and more powerful what is there for them to worry about from their little next door neighbour that they are prepared to risk thousands of jobs either side of the Channel?
It's a genuine question so no rant about remaining and what we are missing and look at what we have done etc. It's not a Remain/Leave question.

[towny44]

‘when fresh food starts going rotten before it before it reaches its destination’.

That, of course works both ways,

We are heavily reliant on fresh fruit and vegetables coming into the country.

When supermarket shelves are bare of fresh produce, in the middle of a global pandemic in the middle of winter, how are the UK going to be ‘holding all the cards’

I can’t understand how anybody can still believe that. Surely, deep down, even if a person wants it to be true, they know on a rational basis that this is false.

Let's wait and see Gill, all of us are just speculating on what might happen, but until we pass into 2021 still with no deal, then anything is possible.
If there is no deal then, port blockades aside, goods will still flow through ports on both sides of the channel, it may be slower because of extra documentation, but I am hoping that will all be on-line so should be fairly slick, who knows.
If there is duty to be applied then the laws of supply and demand will apply, and prices will settle down at a new level, which might not be too different especially for fruit and veg. where demand already dictates the price.
We just have to wait and see, because none of us can influence things now.

[barney]

I genuinely do not understand what the problem is with the EU being unwilling to enter into a trade deal with us similar to that of Canada unless they are fearful of having a successful nation on their doorstep doing well which will give encouragement to others to follow suit. What exactly do they fear that they need to control so much? If they feel they are so much bigger and more powerful what is there for them to worry about from their little next door neighbour that they are prepared to risk thousands of jobs either side of the Channel?
It's a genuine question so no rant about remaining and what we are missing and look at what we have done etc. It's not a Remain/Leave question.

Is that a moan ?

[oldbluefox]

When supermarket shelves are bare of fresh produce

In case you had not noticed the supermarkets have been multi sourcing fresh produce for at least 12 months so yes there could be some shortages for a short period but long term it will be the EU producers who will suffer.

Also the boss of Tesco was on the news this week saying that they, and presumably other supermarkets, have been stockpiling non perishable products for some time in readiness of leaving the EU

Mob's been stockpiling foie gras for weeks now.

[Mervyn and Trish]

The proof that we are right to leave is all over the media (from both sides of the argument).

The European Commission has barred Boris from speaking directly to individual EU leaders, particularly Germany and France.

The European Commission has barred individual EU leaders from discussing any piecemeal deals with Boris if we arrive at No Deal on Sunday in order to force us back to the table in the New Year.

Just think about it. The European Commission, a bunch of unelected bureaucrats is ordering the elected leaders of major European countries what to do. Specifically to punish us for having the nerve to leave.

That is what is wrong with the EU in a paragraph.

[oldbluefox]

I genuinely do not understand what the problem is with the EU being unwilling to enter into a trade deal with us similar to that of Canada unless they are fearful of having a successful nation on their doorstep doing well which will give encouragement to others to follow suit. What exactly do they fear that they need to control so much? If they feel they are so much bigger and more powerful what is there for them to worry about from their little next door neighbour that they are prepared to risk thousands of jobs either side of the Channel?
It's a genuine question so no rant about remaining and what we are missing and look at what we have done etc. It's not a Remain/Leave question.

Is that a moan ?

More than likely barney but I just cannot see the logic of what I hear and what is actually happening. It does not make any sense at all.

[Mervyn and Trish]

When supermarket shelves are bare of fresh produce

In case you had not noticed the supermarkets have been multi sourcing fresh produce for at least 12 months so yes there could be some shortages for a short period but long term it will be the EU producers who will suffer.

Also the boss of Tesco was on the news this week saying that they, and presumably other supermarkets, have been stockpiling non perishable products for some time in readiness of leaving the EU

Mob's been stockpiling foie gras for weeks now.

I'll see your foie gras and raise you a toilet roll.

BTW do I need to label my stockpile items "Pandemic" or "Brexit" and can I use one for the other? And after 31st December can I ignore an EU regs "Use by March 2017" label?

[Mervyn and Trish]

I genuinely do not understand what the problem is with the EU being unwilling to enter into a trade deal with us similar to that of Canada unless they are fearful of having a successful nation on their doorstep doing well which will give encouragement to others to follow suit. What exactly do they fear that they need to control so much? If they feel they are so much bigger and more powerful what is there for them to worry about from their little next door neighbour that they are prepared to risk thousands of jobs either side of the Channel?
It's a genuine question so no rant about remaining and what we are missing and look at what we have done etc. It's not a Remain/Leave question.

I think my post 1062 answers that. The EU Commission is actively opposing anything that might make our transition comfortable. And before anyone mentions their plan to keep flights going in the short term, that is not for our benefit. It is to protect their tourist trade. How many Spaniards take a winter holiday in the UK compared to vice versa, for example.

[Manoverboard]

In case you had not noticed the supermarkets have been multi sourcing fresh produce for at least 12 months so yes there could be some shortages for a short period but long term it will be the EU producers who will suffer.

Also the boss of Tesco was on the news this week saying that they, and presumably other supermarkets, have been stockpiling non perishable products for some time in readiness of leaving the EU

Mob's been stockpiling foie gras for weeks now.

I'll see your foie gras and raise you a toilet roll.

BTW do I need to label my stockpile items "Pandemic" or "Brexit" and can I use one for the other? And after 31st December can I ignore an EU regs "Use by March 2017" label?

I'll keep my foie gras but accept your toilet roll and show you 40 tins of tomatoes ...

There will be shortages and some prices will rise but we won't starve ... I could happily shed half a stone
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[Ray Scully]

I genuinely do not understand what the problem is with the EU being unwilling to enter into a trade deal with us similar to that of Canada unless they are fearful of having a successful nation on their doorstep doing well which will give encouragement to others to follow suit. What exactly do they fear that they need to control so much? If they feel they are so much bigger and more powerful what is there for them to worry about from their little next door neighbour that they are prepared to risk thousands of jobs either side of the Channel?
It's a genuine question so no rant about remaining and what we are missing and look at what we have done etc. It's not a Remain/Leave question.

I think my post 1062 answers that. The EU Commission is actively opposing anything that might make our transition comfortable. And before anyone mentions their plan to keep flights going in the short term, that is not for our benefit. It is to protect their tourist trade. How many Spaniards take a winter holiday in the UK compared to vice versa, for example.

and why is anyone surprised. Surely our erstwhile leaders should have at least considered such eventualities. Had it been the French or Germans leaving we would have been shouting from the rooftops for them to get screwed.

A Dead Statesman
I could not dig: I dared not to rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall server me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?

Rudyard Kipling (1865 - 1936)

[Gill W]

When supermarket shelves are bare of fresh produce

In case you had not noticed the supermarkets have been multi sourcing fresh produce for at least 12 months so yes there could be some shortages for a short period but long term it will be the EU producers who will suffer.

Also the boss of Tesco was on the news this week saying that they, and presumably other supermarkets, have been stockpiling non perishable products for some time in readiness of leaving the EU

The EU have made preparations too.

I genuinely don’t understand why people still think that a massive trading bloc of 27 countries will have more suffering than one country who is alone.

[Gill W]

I genuinely do not understand what the problem is with the EU being unwilling to enter into a trade deal with us similar to that of Canada unless they are fearful of having a successful nation on their doorstep doing well which will give encouragement to others to follow suit. What exactly do they fear that they need to control so much? If they feel they are so much bigger and more powerful what is there for them to worry about from their little next door neighbour that they are prepared to risk thousands of jobs either side of the Channel?
It's a genuine question so no rant about remaining and what we are missing and look at what we have done etc. It's not a Remain/Leave question.

I think the problem has been that the U.K. thought they could demand the deal they wanted.

As it’s a negotiation, the EU say if we gave you x y and z, we ask you to do a b and c.

The U.K. say we can’t do that because of sovereignty, we must be free.

So we are now where we are.

[david63]

As it’s a negotiation, the EU say if we gave you x y and z, we ask you to do a b and c.

That presumes that the EU actually negotiate. To paraphrase - The EU say you will do a, b and c and we will give you nothing

[barney]

I genuinely do not understand what the problem is with the EU being unwilling to enter into a trade deal with us similar to that of Canada unless they are fearful of having a successful nation on their doorstep doing well which will give encouragement to others to follow suit. What exactly do they fear that they need to control so much? If they feel they are so much bigger and more powerful what is there for them to worry about from their little next door neighbour that they are prepared to risk thousands of jobs either side of the Channel?
It's a genuine question so no rant about remaining and what we are missing and look at what we have done etc. It's not a Remain/Leave question.

I think the problem has been that the U.K. thought they could demand the deal they wanted.

As it’s a negotiation, the EU say if we gave you x y and z, we ask you to do a b and c.

The U.K. say we can’t do that because of sovereignty, we must be free.

So we are now where we are.

I must take issue with that Gill.
So far, all of the compromise has come from the U.K. side.
The Eu have simply stated their terms and that’s it.

When Gove met his Eu counterpart last week to discuss NI, there was a compromise on both sides and an agreement was reached.

The same is needed with ref to the trade deal.

A simple agreement on the Eu and U.K. going for an independent arbitration commitment in the event of future divergence problems would get the ball rolling.
Unfortunately the Eu is insisting on the ECJ being the governing body.
We can’t accept that.
If we did, we would be forever in their legal orbit.

[allatc]

I love Cathedral cheese. So many cheeses are advertised as mature or extra mature but have little flavour. Cathedral is proper mature. Thumbs up for Davidstow - good cheese.
Hopefully we will see more British cheeses come to the fore and a Buy British mentality become more prevalent..

I'm quite happy with Somerset Brie as an alternative.

[barney]

I love Cathedral cheese. So many cheeses are advertised as mature or extra mature but have little flavour. Cathedral is proper mature. Thumbs up for Davidstow - good cheese.
Hopefully we will see more British cheeses come to the fore and a Buy British mentality become more prevalent..

I'm quite happy with Somerset Brie as an alternative.

I’ve just purchased a nice piece of Devon Blue for this evening

[barney]

I was reading on Politico this morning that the 27 export 33billion in euros in food and drinks to the U.K. each year.
So, who has the most power?
The customer or the supplier?
We’ve been in business for years and have always found it easier to find suppliers than customers.

[Ray Scully]

I was reading on Politico this morning that the 27 export 33billion in euros in food and drinks to the U.K. each year.
So, who has the most power?
The customer or the supplier?
We’ve been in business for years and have always found it easier to find suppliers than customers.

Check your pricing policy Barney