Vaccine has Arrived

[david63]

More good news - Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine approved

[Manoverboard]

We live in the rurals so this option is best as it can be stored in a fridge ... sleeve rolled up, I'm ready

[david63]

sleeve rolled up, I'm ready

So it's convenient for you today then? Shame that they are not starting using it until Monday (if that is not Sainsbugs delivery day!) and will you be available in three months for your second dose?

[Manoverboard]

sleeve rolled up, I'm ready

So it's convenient for you today then? Shame that they are not starting using it until Monday (if that is not Sainsbugs delivery day!) and will you be available in three months for your second dose?

Absolutely, bar Tuesdays

At a push I may even decide to change the delivery day

ps ... should one be concerned about a 3 month delay for the booster ?
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[towny44]

sleeve rolled up, I'm ready

So it's convenient for you today then? Shame that they are not starting using it until Monday (if that is not Sainsbugs delivery day!) and will you be available in three months for your second dose?

Absolutely, bar Tuesdays

At a push I may even decide to change the delivery day

ps ... should one be concerned about a 3 month delay for the booster ?
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The BBC news reports that AZ/Oxford data indicates that waiting for your your 2nd dose actually increases your protection. How they have determined this I don't know, I just hope they do.

[Manoverboard]

The BBC news reports that AZ/Oxford data indicates that waiting for your your 2nd dose actually increases your protection. How they have determined this I don't know, I just hope they do.

I appreciate that many more people will be jabbed by spreading the interval between the two which is good but didn't OL tell us that it would be less effective having just the one ... 52% rather than 95% was it ?

The bod on the Beeb also said that one would be less likely to die ( maybe dye using an AZ formula ) or need hospitalisation after having the single shot.

[Stephen]

sleeve rolled up, I'm ready

So it's convenient for you today then? Shame that they are not starting using it until Monday (if that is not Sainsbugs delivery day!) and will you be available in three months for your second dose?

[towny44]

The BBC news reports that AZ/Oxford data indicates that waiting for your your 2nd dose actually increases your protection. How they have determined this I don't know, I just hope they do.

I appreciate that many more people will be jabbed by spreading the interval between the two which is good but didn't OL tell us that it would be less effective having just the one ... 52% rather than 95% was it ?

The bod on the Beeb also said that one would be less likely to die ( maybe dye using an AZ formula ) or need hospitalisation after having the single shot.

If he did I dont know where he got the data, the pfizer 1st jab gives 90% then up to 94% after the 2nd. I have not seen the AZ data, only the comment that delaying the jab still leads to the immunity continuing to improve, and the 2nd jab just extends the period of immunity.

[Ray B]

Good news that the Oxford-AsraZeneca vaccine is now ready for use and the rollout will now be ramped up.
Some good questions were put to the panel at the Downing Street briefing.
One question I think from ITV, shew up how the selfish me me me brigade try to jump the queues to get vaccinated.
No problem with NHS getting the jab first, but the cries of should a certain profession get priority over the government's list, teaching being one of many that have stressed their inportance over the rest of us, reminds me of the Titanic and the access the the lifeboats.
There is plenty of vaccine to go round, get in line and wait untill called.

[Onelife]

The BBC news reports that AZ/Oxford data indicates that waiting for your your 2nd dose actually increases your protection. How they have determined this I don't know, I just hope they do.

I appreciate that many more people will be jabbed by spreading the interval between the two which is good but didn't OL tell us that it would be less effective having just the one ... 52% rather than 95% was it ?

The bod on the Beeb also said that one would be less likely to die ( maybe dye using an AZ formula ) or need hospitalisation after having the single shot.

If he did I dont know where he got the data, the pfizer 1st jab gives 90% then up to 94% after the 2nd. I have not seen the AZ data, only the comment that delaying the jab still leads to the immunity continuing to improve, and the 2nd jab just extends the period of immunity.

I’ve never known myself to be wrong yet John so there must be truth in what I said at the time of posting. I think they are now saying 70% protection from the first AZ jab .

[Stephen]

I appreciate that many more people will be jabbed by spreading the interval between the two which is good but didn't OL tell us that it would be less effective having just the one ... 52% rather than 95% was it ?

The bod on the Beeb also said that one would be less likely to die ( maybe dye using an AZ formula ) or need hospitalisation after having the single shot.

If he did I dont know where he got the data, the pfizer 1st jab gives 90% then up to 94% after the 2nd. I have not seen the AZ data, only the comment that delaying the jab still leads to the immunity continuing to improve, and the 2nd jab just extends the period of immunity.

I’ve never known myself to be wrong yet John so there must be truth in what I said at the time of posting. I think they are now saying 70% protection from the first AZ jab .

Top it up with a bit of bleach and it’ll be fine. You can go first

[Kendhni]

Good news that the Oxford-AsraZeneca vaccine is now ready for use and the rollout will now be ramped up.
Some good questions were put to the panel at the Downing Street briefing.
One question I think from ITV, shew up how the selfish me me me brigade try to jump the queues to get vaccinated.
No problem with NHS getting the jab first, but the cries of should a certain profession get priority over the government's list, teaching being one of many that have stressed their inportance over the rest of us, reminds me of the Titanic and the access the the lifeboats.
There is plenty of vaccine to go round, get in line and wait untill called.

I think the rollout is in the wrong order. By all means healthcare frontline workers (not the managers and paper-pushers that have, reportedly, been grabbing the vaccines) but to me the next group should be those that cannot work from home ... the priority should be to get the economy up and running as quickly as possible. If the minister is keen to keep schools open, then I don't see why teachers should not be towards the top of the list. Thereafter they could go by government criteria.

Before you ask ... I can work from home so would be well down the list.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I wouldn't exclude the NHS managers. They still come and go from the hospital and surgeries so are potential carriers into and out of the clinical environment. And they do have a vital job to do (okay not up there with nurses) but if they are off sick there are no appointments sent out etc. I experienced this first hand when a manager at our local GP practice got Covid and they had to send all the clerical staff home to isolate. It was chaos.

I agree about schools. Again it's not just for the teachers' benefit but helps to keep the schools open.

[Onelife]

Good news that the Oxford-AsraZeneca vaccine is now ready for use and the rollout will now be ramped up.
Some good questions were put to the panel at the Downing Street briefing.
One question I think from ITV, shew up how the selfish me me me brigade try to jump the queues to get vaccinated.
No problem with NHS getting the jab first, but the cries of should a certain profession get priority over the government's list, teaching being one of many that have stressed their inportance over the rest of us, reminds me of the Titanic and the access the the lifeboats.
There is plenty of vaccine to go round, get in line and wait untill called.

I think the rollout is in the wrong order. By all means healthcare frontline workers (not the managers and paper-pushers that have, reportedly, been grabbing the vaccines) but to me the next group should be those that cannot work from home ... the priority should be to get the economy up and running as quickly as possible. If the minister is keen to keep schools open, then I don't see why teachers should not be towards the top of the list. Thereafter they could go by government criteria.

Before you ask ... I can work from home so would be well down the list.

I can’t think of many less vulnerable, so yes, absolutely they should be at the front of the queue if this Government keeps perusing this back-to-school nonsense.

[Manoverboard]

Many of those who cannot work from home work in the food 'n' drink sector but whom will they serve if all us old buggers ( feel free to exclude yourself ) cannot book a meal in ones local pub / favourite restaurant. I don't have a problem with teachers going before me and Mobietta ... it will demonstrate the safety of the product.

[Kendhni]

I wouldn't exclude the NHS managers. They still come and go from the hospital and surgeries so are potential carriers into and out of the clinical environment. And they do have a vital job to do (okay not up there with nurses) but if they are off sick there are no appointments sent out etc. I experienced this first hand when a manager at our local GP practice got Covid and they had to send all the clerical staff home to isolate. It was chaos.

I agree about schools. Again it's not just for the teachers' benefit but helps to keep the schools open.

I wasn't thinking of the office manager type post (I consider them to be front line). I am talking of the middle and senior management in NHS trusts etc.

[towny44]

What most of you above fail to realise is that the current roll out is intended to safeguard the NHS, by vaccinating those most likely to suffer the worst effects from Covid, and therefore place extra strain on the NHS.
I dont disagree that teachers and many other workers like shop assistants are more likely to contract the virus, but all except the older and those with underlying health issues are likely only to suffer minor symptoms, and will not need hospitalization.

[Kendhni]

Many of those who cannot work from home work in the food 'n' drink sector but whom will they serve if all us old buggers ( feel free to exclude yourself ) cannot book a meal in ones local pub / favourite restaurant. I don't have a problem with teachers going before me and Mobietta ... it will demonstrate the safety of the product.

I am not really talking about a few old people going out for a £2 cup of coffee or a £10 meal. I am talking of the production lines and large industry that generate millions of pounds into the economy. Production lines that are running at half speed or shut down completely. The hospitality industry will then also pick up by the people starting to go back into work and using public transport - so hospitality would be part of those who cannot work from home.

I don't know about where you are but most of the pubs and restaurants around us are all doing delivery or click and collect. We already have our delivery booked for tomorrow night.

[Manoverboard]

Many of those who cannot work from home work in the food 'n' drink sector but whom will they serve if all us old buggers ( feel free to exclude yourself ) cannot book a meal in ones local pub / favourite restaurant. I don't have a problem with teachers going before me and Mobietta ... it will demonstrate the safety of the product.

I am not really talking about a few old people going out for a £2 cup of coffee or a £10 meal. I am talking of the production lines and large industry that generate millions of pounds into the economy. Production lines that are running at half speed or shut down completely. The hospitality industry will then also pick up by the people starting to go back into work and using public transport - so hospitality would be part of those who cannot work from home.

I don't know about where you are but most of the pubs and restaurants around us are all doing delivery or click and collect. We already have our delivery booked for tomorrow night.

My posting related to how we can affect the economy as I cannot speak for everybody else.

No delivery in our neck of the woods and because we are shielding we prefer not to collect from a pub. If you can get a meal for a tenner then I am living in the wrong place, if we get out for less than a £100 then we will have done extremely well.

[Bensham33]

Don't care who gets vaccinated where or when. I just wished they would get on with.

[Onelife]

Many of those who cannot work from home work in the food 'n' drink sector but whom will they serve if all us old buggers ( feel free to exclude yourself ) cannot book a meal in ones local pub / favourite restaurant. I don't have a problem with teachers going before me and Mobietta ... it will demonstrate the safety of the product.

I am not really talking about a few old people going out for a £2 cup of coffee or a £10 meal. I am talking of the production lines and large industry that generate millions of pounds into the economy. Production lines that are running at half speed or shut down completely. The hospitality industry will then also pick up by the people starting to go back into work and using public transport - so hospitality would be part of those who cannot work from home.

I don't know about where you are but most of the pubs and restaurants around us are all doing delivery or click and collect. We already have our delivery booked for tomorrow night.

I understand where you are coming from Ken but putting one set of workers above another is only going to cause resentment and would be a political graveyard in trying to implement it.

[Mervyn and Trish]

It's also quite difficult to administer in terms of sending the invitations out. With the exception of those exposed to it directly in their work in health and care it's far easier to go by age which is held in government records.

[oldbluefox]

Apart from those working in the NHS I would imagine it will be quicker and easier to use databases and arrange appointments by age. Once you start dividing and sub-dividing the population you just create more problems and hinder the distribution of the vaccine so the process takes longer.
What I want to know is when is it my turn?

[Kendhni]

Many of those who cannot work from home work in the food 'n' drink sector but whom will they serve if all us old buggers ( feel free to exclude yourself ) cannot book a meal in ones local pub / favourite restaurant. I don't have a problem with teachers going before me and Mobietta ... it will demonstrate the safety of the product.

I am not really talking about a few old people going out for a £2 cup of coffee or a £10 meal. I am talking of the production lines and large industry that generate millions of pounds into the economy. Production lines that are running at half speed or shut down completely. The hospitality industry will then also pick up by the people starting to go back into work and using public transport - so hospitality would be part of those who cannot work from home.

I don't know about where you are but most of the pubs and restaurants around us are all doing delivery or click and collect. We already have our delivery booked for tomorrow night.

I understand where you are coming from Ken but putting one set of workers above another is only going to cause resentment and would be a political graveyard in trying to implement it.

Here we are about to go into another lockdown that might actually last (off and on) into April - with industry being shut down or put onto short time. Meanwhile we are vaccinating those living in care homes???? The priority should be to get industry up and running as quickly as possible and get the economy running - to the benefit of us all. Rest of us can wait a few more weeks for the vaccine.

[oldbluefox]

Sounds logical Ken but would probably be a logistical nightmare especially when other groups step forward with equally plausible claims. Considering it is the older ones who are most vulnerable (and have probably been hardest hit) it may be more expedient just to work though the age groups.

There is another line of thought to give it to the younger age group first because it is they who are mixing and spreading it around the rest of society.

However it is organised it needs to be sorted ASAP and mass inoculation to be arranged so nobody has to wait that long.