Life After Brexit

[Gill W]

I don’t get why Starmer is still being slated on here - he’s said Labour will be voting FOR the deal

Yes he has Gill but he has been consistent in deriding any Brexit deal that does not include staying in the single market and customs union, which to any leaver is an absolute non starter.

We know what the deal is now, so I can't see any point in banging on about what he said previously. Time to move on?

[barney]

I don’t get why Starmer is still being slated on here - he’s said Labour will be voting FOR the deal

Yes he has Gill but he has been consistent in deriding any Brexit deal that does not include staying in the single market and customs union, which to any leaver is an absolute non starter.

We know what the deal is now, so I can't see any point in banging on about what he said previously. Time to move on?

ERG confirm.
Labour whip to accept but a few usual suspects will abstain or vote against.
All irrelevant parties will vote against.
Scot Nationalist Party prefers no deal.

[towny44]

I don’t get why Starmer is still being slated on here - he’s said Labour will be voting FOR the deal

Yes he has Gill but he has been consistent in deriding any Brexit deal that does not include staying in the single market and customs union, which to any leaver is an absolute non starter.

We know what the deal is now, so I can't see any point in banging on about what he said previously. Time to move on?

Gill, the labour party are the ones banging on about it being a bad deal, but marginally better than no deal, whereas I am more than happy with the deal.

[Gill W]

Yes he has Gill but he has been consistent in deriding any Brexit deal that does not include staying in the single market and customs union, which to any leaver is an absolute non starter.

We know what the deal is now, so I can't see any point in banging on about what he said previously. Time to move on?

Gill, the labour party are the ones banging on about it being a bad deal, but marginally better than no deal, whereas I am more than happy with the deal.

I have no idea what Labour are saying, as I don’t seek out their pronouncements. If they pain you so much, I’d suggest you do the same, with the added bonus that you won’t have to keep moaning about Labour. This will help everybody MOVE ON.

Anyway, it makes no sense to me if Starmer is saying it’s a bad deal when he’s whipping Labour to vote for it.

[barney]

He has never said it’s a bad deal.
He’s said that it’s a thin deal and not as comprehensive as being a paid up member.

That’s stating the bleeding obvious.

You can’t be out and expect everything to be exactly the same.

That’s the entire point of the whole thing.
People voted for change.

[Happydays]

Yes he has Gill but he has been consistent in deriding any Brexit deal that does not include staying in the single market and customs union, which to any leaver is an absolute non starter.

We know what the deal is now, so I can't see any point in banging on about what he said previously. Time to move on?

ERG confirm.
Labour whip to accept but a few usual suspects will abstain or vote against.
All irrelevant parties will vote against.
Scot Nationalist Party prefers no deal.

SNP wouldn't agree with anything! I absolutely detest them, only one thing on they're agenda and not what's best for Scotland

[Gill W]

He has never said it’s a bad deal.
He’s said that it’s a thin deal and not as comprehensive as being a paid up member.

That’s stating the bleeding obvious.

You can’t be out and expect everything to be exactly the same.

That’s the entire point of the whole thing.
People voted for change.

You need to tell Towny.

He’s the one saying that Starmer says it’s a bad deal.

[towny44]

He has never said it’s a bad deal.
He’s said that it’s a thin deal and not as comprehensive as being a paid up member.

That’s stating the bleeding obvious.

You can’t be out and expect everything to be exactly the same.

That’s the entire point of the whole thing.
People voted for change.

You need to tell Towny.

He’s the one saying that Starmer says it’s a bad deal.

I am quite certain that Starmer has been saying its a bad deal, it was that annoyingly yapping Aberdonian who represents Oxford (why do we allow this????) who started calling it a thin deal. Maybe Starmer has copied her but I am still certain Starmer did start off calling it a bad deal.

[Gill W]

I’ll leave Barney and Towny to slug this out.

I simply don’t care what Starmer may or may not have said

[Kendhni]

We know what the deal is now, so I can't see any point in banging on about what he said previously. Time to move on?

Spoil sport, I was going to mention Johnson and Vote Leaves contract with the people in which they have delivered virtually none of it.

However I agree with you that it is time to move on ... the deal is the deal, it is pretty much what has always been on the table (give a tweak or two) and anything is better than the asinine calls we have had for 'no deal'. As I said previously, it is a brexit (which means acceptable to brexiteers) and I think the CFTA, transitioning and other elements of alignment make it sellable to most remainers. It will be passed through parliament (minimal of due diligence aside) - then Johnson can no longer hide behind sound bites he actually has to start delivering the brexit he has negotiated.

I hope to see the promised new trade deals being created (rather than majority which are currently just rollover deals retaining the status quo).
I hope to see the co-operative framework with the EU being made to work.
I hope to see Johnson make an effort to bring this country back together.
I hope to see us at least try to make the best of this.
I hope to see the promised investment and funding (although I suspect that could be several years down the line)
I hope to see the preservation of citizen, worker and environmental rights.
I hope not to see redundancies and business closures.
I still feel that we have to figure out our own USP - it is there, we just have to work it out, vocalise it and market it. **

We are now a trading country of significant size sitting of the coast of one of the largest trading blocks in this world. They are now our direct competitors and we will continually be in competition with them as we try to attract investment. We have many things to offer but then so does the EU. We have created this competition and sometimes we will win and sometimes we will lose ... when we lose though it is not the EU bullying us or trying to teach us a lesson, it is them looking after their own interests.



** I laughed the other day when a (brexit supporting) friend suggested we could adopt the Millwall chant 'Noone likes us, we don't care'

[Manoverboard]

Millwall supporters also boo players who take the knee ... just saying

[Kendhni]

Millwall supporters also boo players who take the knee ... just saying

I believe the Ku Klux Klan also do that .... just saying.

[towny44]

We know what the deal is now, so I can't see any point in banging on about what he said previously. Time to move on?

Spoil sport, I was going to mention Johnson and Vote Leaves contract with the people in which they have delivered virtually none of it.

However I agree with you that it is time to move on ... the deal is the deal, it is pretty much what has always been on the table (give a tweak or two) and anything is better than the asinine calls we have had for 'no deal'. As I said previously, it is a brexit (which means acceptable to brexiteers) and I think the CFTA, transitioning and other elements of alignment make it sellable to most remainers. It will be passed through parliament (minimal of due diligence aside) - then Johnson can no longer hide behind sound bites he actually has to start delivering the brexit he has negotiated.

I hope to see the promised new trade deals being created (rather than majority which are currently just rollover deals retaining the status quo).
I hope to see the co-operative framework with the EU being made to work.
I hope to see Johnson make an effort to bring this country back together.
I hope to see us at least try to make the best of this.
I hope to see the promised investment and funding (although I suspect that could be several years down the line)
I hope to see the preservation of citizen, worker and environmental rights.
I hope not to see redundancies and business closures.
I still feel that we have to figure out our own USP - it is there, we just have to work it out, vocalise it and market it. **

We are now a trading country of significant size sitting of the coast of one of the largest trading blocks in this world. They are now our direct competitors and we will continually be in competition with them as we try to attract investment. We have many things to offer but then so does the EU. We have created this competition and sometimes we will win and sometimes we will lose ... when we lose though it is not the EU bullying us or trying to teach us a lesson, it is them looking after their own interests.



** I laughed the other day when a (brexit supporting) friend suggested we could adopt the Millwall chant 'Noone likes us, we don't care'

Ken, having lived through many recessions and financial crises in my working life, one thing that stands out above all others, is that despite all the forecasts of doom and gloom that various economists predict, once the economy is increasing again no one gives a damn and things return to normal until the next financial crisis.
So good luck with your check lists.

[Frank Manning]

I quite often read the comments on the forum and make no comment. I will be 80 in 2021, and life is too short to be bothered. However it is amazing to me that we can have an argument, about an argument about a post. Happy New year everyone, I am looking forward not back. Lets get the vaccine rolled out pdq, and get those cruise ships sailing safely again. Personally I would love to be sitting in the Aurora's theatre watching headliners doing a show, then waking up to see Venice hoving into view with an overnight stay in prospect.

[Manoverboard]

A couple of days ago I was laughing out loud while watching ' Yes Minister ' during the episode about the ' Euro Sausage ' .... ... guess what ...

[Stephen]

A couple of days ago I was laughing out loud while watching ' Yes Minister ' during the episode about the ' Euro Sausage ' .... ... guess what ...

I’ve got the box set of that series, I must have a look at it again sometime. My sense of humour

[david63]

The EU have signed off the deal. The UK has approved the deal.

As there is now no such thing as Brexit then there is no further need of this topic.

[Manoverboard]

Topic Closed ...................