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[Gill W]

Complaining about labour's handling of the economy is one thing, supporting them when I think they are doing the right thing is entirely different.

Labour hasn’t handled the economy for 10 years, yet it doesn’t stop you complaining about them, sometimes on a completely random basis

That's only to remind youngsters like you how poorly Labour chancellors normally perform when the electorate are stupid enough to give them another try.

As I'm 61 in two months time, I'm delighted to be called a youngster

[Gill W]

I have complained about Labour, specifically about their extremist Members Corbyn and Abbott ... just saying.

They are yesterday’s people now. (Fortunately)

However, at least you aren’t complaining about them as a response to the current crisis!

Indeed not, nor am I complaining about Boris. The collective task for any Party is impossible to solve, they know it and we ought to know it ... they can only say words of comfort to their respective supporters and hope that everything improves after a few months of adjusting rules coupled with the vaccination program.

Meanwhile many are looking to blame somebody, anybody in reality, in an attempt to help them feel better about themselves but can we all loudly proclaim that not one of our family members has, albeit unwittingly, contributed to the overall problem. I cannot say that is the case in our family because some go to work or meet people because of their work while others go personal shopping else meet up with their mates. Masks and social distances are not enough but it's the best we can do.

I think it's very true that many are looking to blame somebody. Many on this forum are looking to blame other people.

We are where we are.

However, the government is accountable for this - and need to take all possible action to get us out of this situation.

I've pretty much written off this year. Omnicalculator https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk tells me that at a conservative vaccination rate of 1m people a week with a 70% uptake of vaccinations, I won't be fully vaccinated until September or October. It's only a guideline, but whatever happens, I'm not expecting a quick fix..... but I think drastic action is now required on the part of the government, for all the people who haven't got the luxury of being able to wait it out at home.

[david63]

the government is accountable for this

Not sure how you can blame the Government for a worldwide pandemic that started, allegedly, in China.

And I would not place a lot of reliance on that Omnicalculator - if you change the rate to 2m a week (which is what the aim is) then I would get my vaccination later than if it is 1m a week and someone over 75 would get their vaccination later than someone under 75

[oldbluefox]

Not like you to exaggerate Gill.

What’s exaggerated?

I t was a tongue in cheek comment Gill so I wasn't expecting an answer but clearly that was a waste of time so maybe you can give evidence for this comment

This forum routinely bashes Labour and the ‘left’, often apropos of nothing.

What is your evidence?

[Ray Scully]

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[Gill W]

Not like you to exaggerate Gill.

What’s exaggerated?

I t was a tongue in cheek comment Gill so I wasn't expecting an answer but clearly that was a waste of time so maybe you can give evidence for this comment

This forum routinely bashes Labour and the ‘left’, often apropos of nothing.

What is your evidence?

Do you really expect me to trawl back and flag up every Labour and left bashing post? I’d be here until 2022. And it would only upset people when I randomly dug up their old posts.

I don’t think it’s a good idea.

If you like, I’ll flag up relevant posts from now on - but I don’t think that’s a good idea either

I sometimes get the impression that the habit of knocking Labour is so ingrained, people don’t even realise they’re doing it. But it’s very noticeable. And I don’t care one way or the other about Labour!

[Kendhni]

Complaining about labour's handling of the economy is one thing, supporting them when I think they are doing the right thing is entirely different.

Labour hasn’t handled the economy for 10 years, yet it doesn’t stop you complaining about them, sometimes on a completely random basis

That's only to remind youngsters like you how poorly Labour chancellors normally perform when the electorate are stupid enough to give them another try.

I was actually surprised to read several articles recently that show neither Labour nor the Conservatives outshine each other when in power. For example of the 14 recessions since 1955, 10 of them have (apparently) been under conservative governments. Curiously, since 1990 GDP had been better under Labour up until the financial crisis (which would have hit irrespective who was in power). Since then growth and investment in the UK have slowed considerably. Conservative governments have borrowed more money than Labour governments over the last 100 years - however that does not show the full picture, there are many affecting factors e.g. size of economy, global events etc..

Not dissing either party, just saying that there is no clear winner as to whose chancellors and policies benefitted the country more - and that is across the board (economy, education, health, employment etc.).

[Gill W]

the government is accountable for this

Not sure how you can blame the Government for a worldwide pandemic that started, allegedly, in China.

And I would not place a lot of reliance on that Omnicalculator - if you change the rate to 2m a week (which is what the aim is) then I would get my vaccination later than if it is 1m a week and someone over 75 would get their vaccination later than someone under 75

The government is accountable for the way it has dealt with the pandemic.

Obviously, nobody relies on Omnicalculator - it’s just an illustration

[towny44]

Labour hasn’t handled the economy for 10 years, yet it doesn’t stop you complaining about them, sometimes on a completely random basis

That's only to remind youngsters like you how poorly Labour chancellors normally perform when the electorate are stupid enough to give them another try.

I was actually surprised to read several articles recently that show neither Labour nor the Conservatives outshine each other when in power. For example of the 14 recessions since 1955, 10 of them have (apparently) been under conservative governments. Curiously, since 1990 GDP had been better under Labour up until the financial crisis (which would have hit irrespective who was in power). Since then growth and investment in the UK have slowed considerably. Conservative governments have borrowed more money than Labour governments over the last 100 years - however that does not show the full picture, there are many affecting factors e.g. size of economy, global events etc..

Not dissing either party, just saying that there is no clear winner as to whose chancellors and policies benefitted the country more - and that is across the board (economy, education, health, employment etc.).

Recessions are rarely caused by any govt. they regularly occur on a worldwide basis as the supply and demand over heats or cools down the world economy. So since there have been more conservative govts since 1955 so there will naturally have been more recessions under them than labour.

[Kendhni]

That's only to remind youngsters like you how poorly Labour chancellors normally perform when the electorate are stupid enough to give them another try.

I was actually surprised to read several articles recently that show neither Labour nor the Conservatives outshine each other when in power. For example of the 14 recessions since 1955, 10 of them have (apparently) been under conservative governments. Curiously, since 1990 GDP had been better under Labour up until the financial crisis (which would have hit irrespective who was in power). Since then growth and investment in the UK have slowed considerably. Conservative governments have borrowed more money than Labour governments over the last 100 years - however that does not show the full picture, there are many affecting factors e.g. size of economy, global events etc..

Not dissing either party, just saying that there is no clear winner as to whose chancellors and policies benefitted the country more - and that is across the board (economy, education, health, employment etc.).

Recessions are rarely caused by any govt. they regularly occur on a worldwide basis as the supply and demand over heats or cools down the world economy. So since there have been more conservative govts since 1955 so there will naturally have been more recessions under them than labour.

Valid point - but it still does not detract from the fact that neither the conservatives nor Labour have shown themselves to be any better, or worse, at handling the country. They just have two slightly different approaches - that ultimately do not appear to be making that much of a difference - global events have more of an impact and there is absolutely no validity in trying to say one government would have done a better job than another.

Hence why I believe a collaborative government would be better than the current adversarial approach.

[Onelife]

Complaining about labour's handling of the economy is one thing, supporting them when I think they are doing the right thing is entirely different.

Labour hasn’t handled the economy for 10 years, yet it doesn’t stop you complaining about them, sometimes on a completely random basis

That's only to remind youngsters like you how poorly Labour chancellors normally perform when the electorate are stupid enough to give them another try.

The electorate only give opposition parties another try when the government treat the electorate as if they are stupid.

[towny44]

I was actually surprised to read several articles recently that show neither Labour nor the Conservatives outshine each other when in power. For example of the 14 recessions since 1955, 10 of them have (apparently) been under conservative governments. Curiously, since 1990 GDP had been better under Labour up until the financial crisis (which would have hit irrespective who was in power). Since then growth and investment in the UK have slowed considerably. Conservative governments have borrowed more money than Labour governments over the last 100 years - however that does not show the full picture, there are many affecting factors e.g. size of economy, global events etc..

Not dissing either party, just saying that there is no clear winner as to whose chancellors and policies benefitted the country more - and that is across the board (economy, education, health, employment etc.).

Recessions are rarely caused by any govt. they regularly occur on a worldwide basis as the supply and demand over heats or cools down the world economy. So since there have been more conservative govts since 1955 so there will naturally have been more recessions under them than labour.

Valid point - but it still does not detract from the fact that neither the conservatives nor Labour have shown themselves to be any better, or worse, at handling the country. They just have two slightly different approaches - that ultimately do not appear to be making that much of a difference - global events have more of an impact and there is absolutely no validity in trying to say one government would have done a better job than another.

Hence why I believe a collaborative government would be better than the current adversarial approach.

You complain about govt malaise at present just think what it might be like with no effective opposition.
I dont really think that they have similar ideals, circumstances might result in similar policies but basically Labour prefer the high tax, benefit dependence culture, whereas the Tories prefer to reduce taxes and enable the electorate to make their own choices.

[oldbluefox]

What’s exaggerated?

I t was a tongue in cheek comment Gill so I wasn't expecting an answer but clearly that was a waste of time so maybe you can give evidence for this comment

This forum routinely bashes Labour and the ‘left’, often apropos of nothing.

What is your evidence?

Do you really expect me to trawl back and flag up every Labour and left bashing post? I’d be here until 2022. And it would only upset people when I randomly dug up their old posts.

I don’t think it’s a good idea.

If you like, I’ll flag up relevant posts from now on - but I don’t think that’s a good idea either

I sometimes get the impression that the habit of knocking Labour is so ingrained, people don’t even realise they’re doing it. But it’s very noticeable. And I don’t care one way or the other about Labour!

No surprise there Gill. I didn't think you could - just another of your exaggerated unsubstantiated claims.

[Onelife]

You should all become members of the Onelife “stop moaning, keep smiling party”

As you well know, I lead by example

[Gill W]

I t was a tongue in cheek comment Gill so I wasn't expecting an answer but clearly that was a waste of time so maybe you can give evidence for this comment


What is your evidence?

Do you really expect me to trawl back and flag up every Labour and left bashing post? I’d be here until 2022. And it would only upset people when I randomly dug up their old posts.

I don’t think it’s a good idea.

If you like, I’ll flag up relevant posts from now on - but I don’t think that’s a good idea either

I sometimes get the impression that the habit of knocking Labour is so ingrained, people don’t even realise they’re doing it. But it’s very noticeable. And I don’t care one way or the other about Labour!

No surprise there Gill. I didn't think you could - just another of your exaggerated unsubstantiated claims.

Oh I can. But I choose not to drag up historic posts, as it will upset individuals.

But, as it seems important to you, I’ll flag up new posts, going forward from here.

[oldbluefox]

No need Gill but if you are going to make preposterous claims it helps if they are made on the basis of fact.

[Gill W]

No need Gill but if you are going to make preposterous claims it helps if they are made on the basis of fact.

There are many things that I would like to say in answer to that, all of which you wouldn’t like very much, so it’s best for me not to say anything at all.

The last word is yours, so I hope it makes you feel good.

[Stephen]

You should all become members of the Onelife “stop moaning, keep smiling party”

As you well know, I lead by example

I taught you everything you don’t know.

[Manoverboard]

You should all become members of the Onelife “ keep moaning, stop smiling " party

As you well know, I lead by example

Well done that man, it's time somebody tabled their mission statement

[Onelife]

You should all become members of the Onelife “ keep moaning, stop smiling " party

As you well know, I lead by example

Well done that man, it's time somebody tabled their mission statement

it helps if we can keep laughing Mob..

[Manoverboard]

You should all become members of the Onelife “ keep moaning, stop smiling " party

As you well know, I lead by example

Well done that man, it's time somebody tabled their mission statement

it helps if we can keep laughing Mob..

It helps me and thee ... sod the rest +

[Kendhni]

PM to address nation again tonight at 8PM

[david63]

PM to address nation again tonight at 8PM

One thing's for sure - it aint going to be good news!

[Stephen]

Maybe we’ll be following Scotland’s plan and go for a total lockdown.

[Stephen]

PM to address nation again tonight at 8PM

Let’s hope he got a watch for Christmas!