Current Affairs

[oldbluefox]

I wonder how proud of themselves they are when they see it all played back in the light of day.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Mind you televised sessions in the Commons don't always do much credit to our elected representatives.

I blame Boris....

[Manoverboard]

... do stop moaning you lot

[Mervyn and Trish]

Is there an echo in here?

[towny44]

Is there an echo in here?

Must be the reverb on Mobys guitar.

[oldbluefox]

Just been watching a police raid on a student lockdown party in Sheffield. One said. "How do you expect a 20 year old girl to pay a fine of £10,000?......It's not worth £10,000" Another one, "We were bored and just wanted a bit of fun".
Does anybody else find these people just totally selfish and pathetic especially in the midst of a pandemic which is killing thousands of people every day? Is this the product of a nanny state?
I just thank God not all young people are as stupid as the ones I saw.

[Manoverboard]

Is there an echo in here?

Must be the reverb on Mobys guitar.

Or his old organ ... it was a Yamaha by the way

[david63]

One said. "How do you expect a 20 year old girl to pay a fine of £10,000?......It's not worth £10,000"

Answer - not my problem, if you cannot do the fine don't do the crime - simples.

Another one, "We were bored and just wanted a bit of fun".

The more worrying aspect is that these are the very people that will be running business and the country in a few years time.

I hope that the university authorities expel them from the university - that way they can pay their fines instead of paying back their student loans

[oldbluefox]

I hope that the university authorities expel them from the university - that way they can pay their fines instead of paying back their student loans

That's my feeling. I think the university authorities could have knocked this on the head long ago. They are not children any more and should be accepting the responsibility that adulthood brings.

[Onelife]

Just been watching a police raid on a student lockdown party in Sheffield. One said. "How do you expect a 20 year old girl to pay a fine of £10,000?......It's not worth £10,000" Another one, "We were bored and just wanted a bit of fun".
Does anybody else find these people just totally selfish and pathetic especially in the midst of a pandemic which is killing thousands of people every day? Is this the product of a nanny state?
I just thank God not all young people are as stupid as the ones I saw.

If they are bored stick them in a cell with pictures of the doctors, nurses and carers who have given their lives trying to protect them and their relatives…. hopefully this will help them see how selfish they are being.

[david63]

If they are bored stick them in a cell with pictures of the doctors, nurses and carers who have given their lives trying to protect them and their relatives

No point - if they do not have access to their phones they would not know what to do with them.

[barney]

Bear in mind this meeting wasn't leaked. It was publicly available. the Councillors concerned behaved disgracefully. From the report I heard such poor behaviour has been a long standing symptom of in-fighting in the council and goes way back before Zoom meetings.

Torridge Council meetings are often broadcast live and we’ve tuned in to a few when we’ve had a vested interest and I’ll be honest, they are not a million miles away from that council .
I can remember one about free parking at Xmas to boost local shopping that descended into chaos.
I think they ended up voting on something that actually wasn’t proposed.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Just been watching a police raid on a student lockdown party in Sheffield. One said. "How do you expect a 20 year old girl to pay a fine of £10,000?......It's not worth £10,000" Another one, "We were bored and just wanted a bit of fun".

Give them the alternative of a month in prison with hard labour for every £1000 they can't afford.

[screwy]

No point in locking them up, it’s expensive to the tax payer.
If they don’t pay,make a record against their name as a ‘ Debtor’ .Universities should also kick them out.

[Stephen]

Make them the very last to receive the vaccine. And If they won’t pay make the parents pay or retrieve goods to the value. That’ll go down well for the little darlings. And as Merv said, kick them out of university.

[david63]

And If they won’t pay make the parents pay

If I were their parent there is no way I would be paying, or even loaning them the money. Actions have consequences and it is lesson they need to learn - it's called life!

[Kendhni]

I think you are all being a bit hard on the students and have maybe long forgotten what it was like to have been young. They are in a low risk category and only mixing among themselves - they have had a significant chunk of their 'growing up' period taken away from them.

They shouldn't be doing it but I also see many parents and grandparents allowing their children and grandchildren to visit despite not necessarily being within the allowed 'bubbles'. I doubt if there are too many that can say they have not bent or broken at least one of the guidelines.

[david63]

Sorry Ken but I have to disagree. We are not talking about "guidelines" but the law - it is illegal to have a gathering of more than 30, and even then the rules have to be adhered to. It matters not what age you are, what you have missed out on, what others are doing it is illegal.

[oldbluefox]

I think there is a vast difference between bending or partly breaking rules and a flagrant breach of the regulations. When you look at the impact this virus has had on numerous sectors of society and community and in particular the NHS plus the economic impact which will have to be paid back somehow the actions of these students is foolhardy, selfish and moreover illegal.
Nobody I can think of is enjoying the consequences of this epidemic but it is what it is and we must all get on with it until we come out on the other side. I see no excuses.

[Kendhni]

Sorry Ken but I have to disagree. We are not talking about "guidelines" but the law - it is illegal to have a gathering of more than 30, and even then the rules have to be adhered to. It matters not what age you are, what you have missed out on, what others are doing it is illegal.

Like children/grandchildren visiting their parents/grandparents.
Stretching the bubbles to encompass all your children - when it is meant to be limited to 2 households.
I see it every day.
Or people making non-essential trips to the shops or visiting places under the guise of 'exercise'.
Or having no other choice but to go for a long driver because your eyesight is wonky.

I did say they were wrong to do it, but it isn't the worst thing in the world to let kids let off a bit of steam amongst themselves. Maybe I am the only one that is still young enough to remember what it was like to be college student.

[oldbluefox]

I'm sorry Ken but in my college days we didn't have a pandemic which killed over 100,000. They knew the rules and they knew the consequences if they were caught. They can't really complain.

[towny44]

I think I am slightly on Ken's side here, I have not studied all the facts, but if it was only students and they are not going home or likely to be mixing with any older or vulnerable people, then I hardly think it rates as the capital offence that some are portraying.

[oldbluefox]

I presume they will be shopping in the local shops and travelling on public transport etc.

[screwy]

I think you are all being a bit hard on the students and have maybe long forgotten what it was like to have been young. They are in a low risk category and only mixing among themselves - they have had a significant chunk of their 'growing up' period taken away from them.

They shouldn't be doing it but I also see many parents and grandparents allowing their children and grandchildren to visit despite not necessarily being within the allowed 'bubbles'. I doubt if there are too many that can say they have not bent or broken at least one of the guidelines.

Sorry Ken. “ They are young and missed a chunk of their growing up”. Well ,let’s go back to the Forties, Lots of ‘ Young men ‘ missed a sizeable chunk of their growing up.! And never lived . They are selfish and irresponsible. End of.

[Kendhni]

I think you are all being a bit hard on the students and have maybe long forgotten what it was like to have been young. They are in a low risk category and only mixing among themselves - they have had a significant chunk of their 'growing up' period taken away from them.

They shouldn't be doing it but I also see many parents and grandparents allowing their children and grandchildren to visit despite not necessarily being within the allowed 'bubbles'. I doubt if there are too many that can say they have not bent or broken at least one of the guidelines.

Sorry Ken. “ They are young and missed a chunk of their growing up”. Well ,let’s go back to the Forties, Lots of ‘ Young men ‘ missed a sizeable chunk of their growing up.! And never lived . They are selfish and irresponsible. End of.

But we aren't in the 1940's, society has evolved significantly since then.
To take your argument to its logical conclusion you could have also picked another random date in history, maybe 1455 were we sent children as young as 12 into battle because a couple of princes had a bit of a tiff.