Current Affairs

[Kendhni]

I'm sorry Ken but in my college days we didn't have a pandemic which killed over 100,000. They knew the rules and they knew the consequences if they were caught. They can't really complain.

I don't disagree, all I am saying is that some of the comments I have read on social media are way over the top, especially since closer scrutiny shows that, in many cases, it is the pot calling the kettle black.

[oldbluefox]

I can't disagree with that. The reason our infection rates and death rates are so high is a consequence of people not strictly abiding by the lockdown. When fines are handed out to the more flagrant abuses there is indignation from some quarters but I feel the lockdown should have been more strictly enforced as has been the case in many other countries. (But imagine the outcry!!!)

[Manoverboard]

The students generally mix with one another and that's fine by me but they should be charged with manslaughter if they pass a fatal dose of the virus onto their grandparents. This grandparent recognises that risk and therefore does not allow contact with any of our kinfolk ... that has been so since January 2020.

[Kendhni]

The students generally mix with one another and that's fine by me but they should be charged with manslaughter if they pass a fatal dose of the virus onto their grandparents. This grandparent recognises that risk and therefore does not allow contact with any of our kinfolk ... that has been so since January 2020.

That would be getting a bit silly since you would have to be able to prove were the infection came from.
Maybe it was the grandparents that passed the infection onto the student who took it to the halls and it only reared its head a few days later after the student returned home.

Track and trace only has limited capabilities ... the most accurate one seems to be that if you track the millions being handed out by this government you can trace it back to their friends, families and party faithful.

[Manoverboard]

I dare say it would'nt be quite so silly if one of you two were the Grandparent who died.

There will be grandparents out there who try to stay safe but cannot resist letting their grandchildren into the house. In some situations the young person may even have had symptoms but chose to ignore them because they were ok themselves. A custodial threat would sharpen their minds and they may resist going round for a cuddle or even a few quid if it suited them.

[oldbluefox]

Moan, moan, moan..................

My concern is where large gatherings take place they then go out into the wider community and pass it on to some unsuspecting soul who then ends up in hospital or worse simply because they were bored and wanted some fun. But aren't we all? (Moan, moan )

[towny44]

I presume they will be shopping in the local shops and travelling on public transport etc.

As I said I had not read the details, but do you actually know their circumstances, or are you just making assumptions based on absolutely no idea at all?

[oldbluefox]

I presume they will be shopping in the local shops and travelling on public transport etc.

As I said I had not read the details, but do you actually know their circumstances, or are you just making assumptions based on absolutely no idea at all?

It may be an idea if you did acquaint yourself with the details before commenting. The clip I posted was taken from a police body cam so no need for you to do any reading.

[towny44]

I presume they will be shopping in the local shops and travelling on public transport etc.

As I said I had not read the details, but do you actually know their circumstances, or are you just making assumptions based on absolutely no idea at all?

It may be an idea if you did acquaint yourself with the details before commenting. The clip I posted was taken from a police body cam so no need for you to do any reading.

I just watched the clip, no sign of any of them shopping or travelling on public transport, however even if they did as long as they wear their masks and keep to social distancing rules they are as unlikely to spread the virus as the other shoppers and passengers, or are you suggesting that those rules are pointless.
I am not trying to pick an argument with you Foxy, just trying to point out that even if students break the socialising rules as shown in the video clip, as long as they follow the rules when likely to be in contact with the general public, they are no more likely to spread the virus than anyone else.

[Manoverboard]

I think that they are more likely to spread it because they spend more time out and about than the majority of the population ... yes / no ?

[Onelife]

Yes!
They had the opportunity to act like responsible ’young’ adults but failed to do so, therefore I can see no reason why they will act any differently when not partying.

[Stephen]

Look, whatever the if’s and but’s or who said or didn’t say what, at the end of the day the thoughtless scum bags new they were breaking the rules and deserve everything they get.....and more if I had my way.

[Frank Manning]

Young people, are very likely to be susceptible to peer pressure. If there is a party, and they are invited they may find it difficult to refuse. There are degrees of self awareness and of conscientiousness with regard to observance of the recommended rules. Normally sensible people may weigh up the risks and take chances if the peer pressure is strong, and in a student setting it can be. They wont be thinking of their grandparents, or anyone else especially when testosterone takes over. I have heard some surprising and very loud public conversations between students, while waiting with them outside seminar rooms, and the fixations of some of them with parties, and being drunk etc was a common theme.

[Mervyn and Trish]

As I said I had not read the details, but do you actually know their circumstances, or are you just making assumptions based on absolutely no idea at all?

It may be an idea if you did acquaint yourself with the details before commenting. The clip I posted was taken from a police body cam so no need for you to do any reading.

I just watched the clip, no sign of any of them shopping or travelling on public transport, however even if they did as long as they wear their masks and keep to social distancing rules they are as unlikely to spread the virus as the other shoppers and passengers, or are you suggesting that those rules are pointless.
I am not trying to pick an argument with you Foxy, just trying to point out that even if students break the socialising rules as shown in the video clip, as long as they follow the rules when likely to be in contact with the general public, they are no more likely to spread the virus than anyone else.

You miss one important point. If 20 people hold a party with no social distancing and only 1 of them went into it with the virus there's a very good chance anything up to 20 will leave with it. That's a lot more people to now worry about on public transport. I'm not sure why you're defending this bunch. Everyone has to follow the rules if we're to beat this thing. No exceptions.

[screwy]

Supposed to be educated people.! They are our future,not looking bright is it.

[david63]

Supposed to be educated people

Ah but they are still being educated and when that is over the real education starts - it's called life.

They are our future,not looking bright is it.

No

[Kendhni]

Supposed to be educated people.! They are our future,not looking bright is it.

That would suggest the previous generations did a poor job of raising them.

[oldbluefox]

I can't necessarily disagree with that. Some of them are not accustomed to doing as they are told or that no means no in the knowledge their parents will make excuses for them.

[screwy]

Supposed to be educated people.! They are our future,not looking bright is it.

That would suggest the previous generations did a poor job of raising them.

Yes in some ways, parents in the 70’s. Ish, had their hands tied behind their backs due to government regulations. No smacking, no one’s a loser etc etc.Their Children are now the parents of the ( some) unruly children of today. I’ve seen it all coming through the Prison gates.

[Kendhni]

Supposed to be educated people.! They are our future,not looking bright is it.

That would suggest the previous generations did a poor job of raising them.

Yes in some ways, parents in the 70’s. Ish, had their hands tied behind their backs due to government regulations. No smacking, no one’s a loser etc etc.Their Children are now the parents of the ( some) unruly children of today. I’ve seen it all coming through the Prison gates.

So you are basing your conclusions on the 0.1% of the population.

[towny44]

I am not trying to defend them, just trying to get you all to be bit more sympathetic to the current student generation.
Not only are they missing out on what countless generations of university graduates define as some of the best years of their lives, but they face an absolute nightmare future with very limited job opportunities, and the probability that their qualification will have become devalued because of the way it has been assessed.
If I, as someone who did not attend uni can feel deep despair for them, why can't some of you that are university graduates feel a little of the same.

[Kendhni]

I am not trying to defend them, just trying to get you all to be bit more sympathetic to the current student generation.
Not only are they missing out on what countless generations of university graduates define as some of the best years of their lives, but they face an absolute nightmare future with very limited job opportunities, and the probability that their qualification will have become devalued because of the way it has been assessed.
If I, as someone who did not attend uni can feel deep despair for them, why can't some of you that are university graduates feel a little of the same.

Exactly. Nobody has said what they did was right, but kids being kids should not receive the venom and vitriol that has been spouted, usually by a very hypocritical older generation. Tolerance is a two way street.

[david63]

Serious question.

If a group of students had, before Covid, driven a car down the high street at 80 mph because they were bored and possibly run into a group of pedestrians killing two of them would that have been considered as normal student behaviour?

Personally I cannot see any difference between that and the current spate of student parties.

[Stephen]

And we’re not talking about five year olds here but supposedly educated young adults. The COVID rules are for everyone not just for those above student/university age. It’s hard for all of us but we just have to go with it and stick to the rules otherwise things are just going to drag on and on.

[screwy]

At least I admit I talk crap.