Hartlepool - Election result

[david63]

It's also looking as if the Conservatives have taken about a third of the Police and crime commissioners from Labour

[Mervyn and Trish]

Yes however we, or they, analyse it, for mid term elections that normally punish the government they been a disaster for Labour. They can't spin it any other way.

[towny44]

I just hope they hang onto Starmer, or better still re-appoint Corbyn. That should keep the country safe from a Labour govt for a few more years.

[screwy]

Abbott for leader, that should seal it.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Well she's been adding up the figures and apparently they won.

[Manoverboard]

I learnt that Starmer is a lame / dead duck and about to be ousted

[Mervyn and Trish]

Talking of elections, because she got most seats Mrs Krankie claims she has a mandate for another independence referendum. However, I saw an analysis that said a majority of votes, albeit a small one, was for pro union parties.

[david63]

Talking of elections, because she got most seats Mrs Krankie claims she has a mandate for another independence referendum. However, I saw an analysis that said a majority of votes, albeit a small one, was for pro union parties.

The best thing that can happen is another independence vote with the result being against - bye, bye Mrs Krankie

[screwy]

Now that would be funny.

[barney]

Talking of elections, because she got most seats Mrs Krankie claims she has a mandate for another independence referendum. However, I saw an analysis that said a majority of votes, albeit a small one, was for pro union parties.

In votes counted, it was a very slight victory for the union parties.
If that translates to a single vote referendum, then the unionists would slightly nick it, but that wouldn’t put it to bed.
The entire reason for existence for the SNP is to split from the union.
In my opinion, the government should not allow the SNP to drive the agenda.
They should give the Scots permission for another vote but at a time dictated by the government.
The government should lay out it’s case and then let the Scots argue among themselves.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Talking of elections, because she got most seats Mrs Krankie claims she has a mandate for another independence referendum. However, I saw an analysis that said a majority of votes, albeit a small one, was for pro union parties.

In votes counted, it was a very slight victory for the union parties.
If that translates to a single vote referendum, then the unionists would slightly nick it, but that wouldn’t put it to bed.
The entire reason for existence for the SNP is to split from the union.
In my opinion, the government should not allow the SNP to drive the agenda.
They should give the Scots permission for another vote but at a time dictated by the government.
The government should lay out it’s case and then let the Scots argue among themselves.

Can't argue with that.

[towny44]

I thought that Gordon Brown's ideas sounded like the right approach, we should be asking the SNP to validate their reasons for independence, getting them to answer how they will resolve the currency issues, and finance their own NHS and state pensions, not to mention service their share of our national debt. How they would seek to join the Euro when their debt ratio is currently 10% where the EU demands it should be no higher than 3%, as well as ensuring that UK businesses, like Nat West, retain their HQ in Scotland.
Not project fear but project realism.

[Kendhni]

Loving the irony

[Mervyn and Trish]

After his economic performance I wouldn't take any advice from Gordon Brown.

[barney]

Talking of elections, because she got most seats Mrs Krankie claims she has a mandate for another independence referendum. However, I saw an analysis that said a majority of votes, albeit a small one, was for pro union parties.

In votes counted, it was a very slight victory for the union parties.
If that translates to a single vote referendum, then the unionists would slightly nick it, but that wouldn’t put it to bed.
The entire reason for existence for the SNP is to split from the union.
In my opinion, the government should not allow the SNP to drive the agenda.
They should give the Scots permission for another vote but at a time dictated by the government.
The government should lay out it’s case and then let the Scots argue among themselves.

Can't argue with that.

I'd be ok with Scotland going fully independent and Northern Ireland joining up with the south, if that was the voters will.

I really wouldn't want the UK government to get involved either for or against.

I'd prefer that they just lay out the facts and leave the decision to the people who love there.

If the majority in NI wish to be part of Ireland, then they should be allowed by a legal referendum.
I'm assuming that Ireland would welcome that.

I'd also be ok with the UK government offering assistance to any Scots or Northern Irish who wanted to relocate to England, should the majority vote to leave.

This may appear a little controversial but why on earth would anybody wish to keep the United Kingdom together if it's not united?

[oldbluefox]

If Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland decide they no longer wish to be part of the Union then so be it. There is no point in keeping them tethered to Westminster if the people decide that is not what they want. But prior to any referendum it should be pointed out what the effects of leaving would be so the people know what they are voting for.
After that it is up to the devolved governments to see it through for good or for ill but no coming back.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Figures this week suggested there's a 30% hole in their budget plans. At the moment they quietly assume the Barnett formula will see them right. The additional spend per head compared to England is huge. They need to understand that post independence they'll have to find that themselves and Mrs Krankie needs to explain how.

[barney]

Figures this week suggested there's a 30% hole in their budget plans. At the moment they quietly assume the Barnett formula will see them right. The additional spend per head compared to England is huge. They need to understand that post independence they'll have to find that themselves and Mrs Krankie needs to explain how.

Over £2,000 per person compared to the spend in the South West.
It’s even more in Northern Ireland.
The days of subsidising Europe are over, maybe the days of subsidising the smaller U.K. nations will also be over soon.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Of course Mrs Krankie believes that she will be able to rejoin the EU and they'll subsidise her plans.

It infuriates me that we have to pay for University study and Personal Care while at the same time we're paying so Scotland can have it free.

No wonder she's popular.