M25 Protests

[Stephen]

I’m surprised all the truckers haven’t banded together and sorted them out.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I wonder if they all cycled to get there?

[Mervyn and Trish]

I presume you're doing your bit by giving up Caribbean fly cruising in favour of cycle/camping holidays in the UK.

Why would you presume that? I told you I don't really care any more but I applaud those that do.

Sorry, I assumed you planned to be one of the "65 million doing the right thing".

[Kendhni]

Sorry, I assumed you planned to be one of the "65 million doing the right thing".

No idea why you would have assumed that ... I said that I don't really care any more. My children and grand children aren't going to be affected, but I still applaud those that do care and continue trying to wake others up from their slumber of selfish delusion.

[Onelife]

Apparently some protesters have glued their hands to the tarmac…. good time to resurface a small part of the motorway me thinks

[oldbluefox]

Just divert the traffic around them. A few gulps of diesel fumes will soon unglue them.

[Quizzical Bob]

No idea why you would have assumed that ... I said that I don't really care any more. My children and grand children aren't going to be affected, but I still applaud those that do care and continue trying to wake others up from their slumber of selfish delusion.

Ken, the real delusion is in thinking that any action that the UK takes is going to make any difference. Nothing selfish about it at all. The climate is dominated by that great big orange blob up in the sky.

The only selfish people here are those blocking our motorways.

[Stephen]

Apparently some protesters have glued their hands to the tarmac…. good time to resurface a small part of the motorway me thinks

.....then tar and feather them.....after robbing them for the inconvenience

The police are about as useful as a chocolate tea pot. Why aren't they clearing them away instead of standing around in groups with their hands in the their pockets. There's hardly a mass crowd to deal with just a handful of protesters, and most of them look like they should know better.

You can just see somewhere like Russia (putin) up with it. You'd be dragged away never to be seen again.

[towny44]

No idea why you would have assumed that ... I said that I don't really care any more. My children and grand children aren't going to be affected, but I still applaud those that do care and continue trying to wake others up from their slumber of selfish delusion.

Ken, the real delusion is in thinking that any action that the UK takes is going to make any difference. Nothing selfish about it at all. The climate is dominated by that great big orange blob up in the sky.

The only selfish people here are those blocking our motorways.

I have already suggested to Ken that the protestors need to concentrate on the big polluters, but he seems to suffer from selective deafness.

[Kendhni]

I have already suggested to Ken that the protestors need to concentrate on the big polluters, but he seems to suffer from selective deafness.

You also are mistaking me for someone who still cares about the impact on your children/grandchildren.
However given the number of stupid ideas and having watched a big brave motorist assault one of the female protestors and try to drag her off (like a thug), yours is slightly more sensible than others that have been suggested (although the bar of 'sensibility' is set incredibly low - hence the deliberate deafness). All your wonderful suggestion does is provide an excuse for everybody to do nothing or give themselves a pat on the back for putting a crisp bag in the correct bin, which is pretty much what has been happening for the last 40 years. So your solution has already been tried - remind me how it went?

On the other hand, as I said to someone earlier today, they have had their protest, they have got their headlines, they have raised awareness, so now is the time to do something else.

[oldbluefox]

I can see from this picture that the younger generation really do care about the planet..................

tents-rubbish.jpg

I think I'll stick with putting my crisp packet in the correct bin. I wonder how many of those at the festival are now glued to the motorway. Just asking.

[Stephen]

If they want to protest seriously then they need to get over to countries like China and stand outside their mass factories and the huge chimneys pumping out the gases. But on the other hand, we the consumer demand the goods.

So who is really to blame!

[Kendhni]

I can see from this picture that the younger generation really do care about the planet..................
tents-rubbish.jpg

Looks just like Woodstock - I think something like 10 tons of rubbish got left there.
So our generation have obviously instilled their poor values into the next generation.
Just saying ....

I think I'll stick with putting my crisp packet in the correct bin.

Wow, recycling - the message really is not getting through!!!!

[oldbluefox]

That makes it acceptable then. Salt and vinegar or is your preference prawn cocktail?

[Kendhni]

I haven't heard anyone say it is acceptable - but sadly the oldies have instilled their bad habits into the next generation so have no right of complaint.

I have been through 2 packs of cheese and onion today and the wrappers will not be going into recycling.

[Ray B]

A few million quid and you can get a 3 day jolly in space. Inspiration space craft blasts of in the early hours of the morning UK time.
How much pollution will that contribute to the atmosphere, a bit more than the life time of my gas boiler that's for sure.

[Kendhni]

A few million quid and you can get a 3 day jolly in space. Inspiration space craft blasts of in the early hours of the morning UK time.
How much pollution will that contribute to the atmosphere, a bit more than the life time of my gas boiler that's for sure.

It is a poor comparison unless you actually do a comparison with (approx) 1.7million gas boilers in the UK (not forgetting other types of boiler). You then need to consider how many of those are old and inefficient or being used poorly by the owners doing significantly more damage to the environment). I remember a while back someone complaining about the cost of their electricity bill. Despite me having virtually every mod-con piece of electronics in my house my bill worked out at under half of theirs - so it is peoples behaviour that needs to be considered as much as anything.

Another interesting stat, from only a few years back, is that approx 80% of car journeys were considered to be unnecessary - multiply that by some 35+million cars in the UK and your example of a single trip into space becomes negligible. One suggestion I heard was that every car has an annual mileage allowance (e.g. 4000 miles but may vary depending on various criteria such as employed/unemployed, remoteness etc.) with any usage above that being charged heavily - that would start to focus peoples minds (and given the move away from fossil fuels it becomes more of a possibility).

I am not saying one is any better than the other, but the argument of saying 'well look at what they are doing' needs to be left in kindergarten politics and the question should be 'what more can I/we do'.

[Ray B]

I haven't heard anyone say it is acceptable - but sadly the oldies have instilled their bad habits into the next generation so have no right of complaint.

I have been through 2 packs of cheese and onion today and the wrappers will not be going into recycling.

You seem to insinuate that the older generation have passed bad habits on to the youngsters. I can tell you now that our children were taught from the start on how to behave. Not to drop their sweet wrappers etc, how to behave in public places, ie, restaurants, cinemas and the like. That has kept them in good stead.
Children are sometimes led by children who may not possess these values and the rot can set in, no respect for anything. So bad habits can be copied by children just to 'fit' in, but does not mean it was an adult that did the damage.

[towny44]

Ken, just about everything you quote about the environment appears to assume that the UK is a self contained planet that can survive on it's own. Of course it can't, and I guess just about everyone realises this, and just maybe that makes them realise how insignificant anything they do to reduce their carbon footprint really will be. But over thinking their futility will only make them suicidal, so I imagine that could be why they give the impression that they don't care.

[Kendhni]

Ken, just about everything you quote about the environment appears to assume that the UK is a self contained planet that can survive on it's own. Of course it can't, and I guess just about everyone realises this, and just maybe that makes them realise how insignificant anything they do to reduce their carbon footprint really will be. But over thinking their futility will only make them suicidal, so I imagine that could be why they give the impression that they don't care.

You really do not 'get it'

[Kendhni]

You seem to insinuate that the older generation have passed bad habits on to the youngsters. I can tell you now that our children were taught from the start on how to behave. Not to drop their sweet wrappers etc, how to behave in public places, ie, restaurants, cinemas and the like. That has kept them in good stead.
Children are sometimes led by children who may not possess these values and the rot can set in, no respect for anything. So bad habits can be copied by children just to 'fit' in, but does not mean it was an adult that did the damage.

Not really ... every generation complains about the next - you only have to read the likes of Shakespeare and Dickens to appreciate that, and even much older literature.

Looking at pictures of Woodstock, and other festivals of the day, vs todays festivals show that little has changed and both generations were equally bad. What people often forget when they complain about the next generation is that it is they that created and programmed it. Some will have done a better job than others but, in the main, the similarities far outweigh the differences.

[towny44]

Ken, just about everything you quote about the environment appears to assume that the UK is a self contained planet that can survive on it's own. Of course it can't, and I guess just about everyone realises this, and just maybe that makes them realise how insignificant anything they do to reduce their carbon footprint really will be. But over thinking their futility will only make them suicidal, so I imagine that could be why they give the impression that they don't care.

You really do not 'get it'

No, I have to say that I am 100% certain you're the one out of step.

[Kendhni]

Then I was 100% right, even after 40+ years of education you still don't get it.
It's sad really that some have so little respect for the next generation that they choose to ignore what is going on around them.

[towny44]

Then I was 100% right, even after 40+ years of education you still don't get it.
It's sad really that some have so little respect for the next generation that they choose to ignore what is going on around them.

Ken, I get it perfectly, but I happen to think that the current govt is doing as much as it can to reduce the UK carbon emissions, as well as encorsgong companies to minimise single use plastic, and is in general very environmentally aware. If all other countries were following a similar path then we would be well on the way to averting further major global warming.

[oldbluefox]

Ken, I get it perfectly, but I happen to think that the current govt is doing as much as it can to reduce the UK carbon emissions, as well as encouraging companies to minimise single use plastic, and is in general very environmentally aware. If all other countries were following a similar path then we would be well on the way to averting further major global warming.

Towny, you are absolutely right and you could not make your case any clearer. I cannot see how anyone could disagree with that.