Current Affairs

[oldbluefox]

As I said, it’s not a definitive independent investigation with recommended actions. She’s just doing a report for her boss. There’s nothing for us (the general public) to accept or not.

It’s been hyped up into something that it’s not.

That's a no then.

[towny44]

As I said, it’s not a definitive independent investigation with recommended actions. She’s just doing a report for her boss. There’s nothing for us (the general public) to accept or not.

It’s been hyped up into something that it’s not.

That's a no then.

That's a don't back me into a corner I don't want to be in.

[Mervyn and Trish]

An evasive answer. Remind me. Who else has been accused of not giving straight answers?

[towny44]

An evasive answer. Remind me. Who else has been accused of not giving straight answers?

I guess it must depend who is being evasive.

[Gill W]

Sue Gray is basically asking people what happened and she is recording the answers.

I am sure she will faithfully report what she is told.

But there aren’t going to be recommendations for actions - she doesn’t have that power.

What are you all expecting from this report?

[towny44]

Sue Gray is basically asking people what happened and she is recording the answers.

I am sure she will faithfully report what she is told.

But there aren’t going to be recommendations for actions - she doesn’t have that power.

What are you all expecting from this report?

You appear to have a direct line into number 10, so no wonder you know the answer to everything before it happens.

[oldbluefox]

So will you accept the outcome of Sue Gray's investigation? Yes or no?

I didn't mention recommendations in any way. I thought the question was very simple and straightforward and only asked for a yes or no. Why so evasive?

[Kendhni]

Sue Gray is basically asking people what happened and she is recording the answers.

I am sure she will faithfully report what she is told.

But there aren’t going to be recommendations for actions - she doesn’t have that power.

What are you all expecting from this report?

That is always a problem hen you are allowed to police yourself.
I will personally be looking for an answer to the question on how come Johnson, by his own admission, did not know the rules he created and told everyone else to follow.

At one point he laughingly compared himself to Churchill, now looking at his demeaner, I can only assume he was talking about that dog from the Insurance adverts ... and he still falls short ... the dog is believable.

[david63]

Sue Gray is basically asking people what happened and she is recording the answers.

I thought that, amongst other things, she was also examining cctv and historic emails

[Gill W]

I didn't mention recommendations in any way. I thought the question was very simple and straightforward and only asked for a yes or no. Why so evasive?

Not evasive at all,

The frank answer is that I can’t answer your question in the way that you want it answered.

It’s not an independent enquiry with conclusions and recommendations for actions- thats the only enquiry that I could give a yes or no answer on whether or not i would accept the outcome.

Sue Gray’s report is a report for her boss - so it is not independent in any way shape or form. I accept that she will likely do her job and record what she is told - but I can’t give any further answer than that. Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not going to be badgered for demands to say what you want to hear.

I get the impression that everyone is expecting a black or white answer. But we’re going to end up with 50 shades of grey

[Gill W]

I thought that, amongst other things, she was also examining cctv and historic emails

Unfortunately, that sort of thing can be deleted. It is alleged that Downing Street staff were told to ‘clean up their phones’

[towny44]

I thought that, amongst other things, she was also examining cctv and historic emails

Unfortunately, that sort of thing can be deleted. It is alleged that Downing Street staff were told to ‘clean up their phones’

Alleged by whom?

[oldbluefox]

The Guardian, The Mirror, Twitter, Gill's crystal ball? Alleged yesterday he had been out at a gentleman's club. A load of baloney. Why stick to facts when you can make it up as you go along?

[barney]

I thought that, amongst other things, she was also examining cctv and historic emails

Unfortunately, that sort of thing can be deleted. It is alleged that Downing Street staff were told to ‘clean up their phones’

Alleged by whom?

Well (nudge nudge)
A bloke down the Queens Head has a cousin who’s boyfriends best mate knows someone who told them that their mate knew a guy who’s friend works in Downing Street.
She was told to clean up her phone by a bloke in a suit.
Them’s the absolute facts.

[Kendhni]

I thought that, amongst other things, she was also examining cctv and historic emails

Unfortunately, that sort of thing can be deleted. It is alleged that Downing Street staff were told to ‘clean up their phones’

Indeed with several Downing street staff claiming they were 'leant on' by 'senior staff' to 'clean up their phones just in case'. Several days later (probably once the clean up was complete) a public announcement was made that phones should be made available to the investigation.

[david63]

It is alleged that Downing Street staff were told to ‘clean up their phones’

What have phones got to do with anything?

There is no cctv record on phones and I said "archive" emails and as I am sure you are aware all "official" government emails are archived and cannot be deleted.

[Onelife]

Sue Gray is basically asking people what happened and she is recording the answers.

I am sure she will faithfully report what she is told.

But there aren’t going to be recommendations for actions - she doesn’t have that power.

What are you all expecting from this report?

Absolutely correct Gill.

[Kendhni]

There is no cctv record on phones and I said "archive" emails and as I am sure you are aware all "official" government emails are archived and cannot be deleted.

The nature of many CCTV systems is that if data is not explicitly kept and extracted then within a few hours/days it gets overwritten or lost (has happened many times in many circumstances) ... so events from many months ago are likely no longer there unless someone thought to save then at the time. Yes, archive emails will be retained on servers but can still be conveniently lost ... but I am guessing the alleged leverage to 'clean up' was against personal emails, SMS, WhatsApp, social media, photographs, videos etc.

[screwy]

You’ll be telling me next that Earth-is flat and man never walked on the moon.

[Mervyn and Trish]

It looks as if, as I predicted, the usual suspects are spending more time than Boris on getting their excuses ready in case the inquiry doesn't produce the result they want.

[CaroleF]

Just read about Boris' six week old daughter has been suffering quite badly from Covid. We knew he was self isolating because a family member had Covid but didn't know it was his baby daughter. That must have been extremely worrying. I didn't realise babies that young could catch Covid.

[Onelife]

It looks as if, as I predicted, the usual suspects are spending more time than Boris on getting their excuses ready in case the inquiry doesn't produce the result they want.

Whatever the inquiry result, Boris lacks good judgement and that isn’t what this country needs in what is going to be a very competitive world market place.

[Mervyn and Trish]

It looks as if, as I predicted, the usual suspects are spending more time than Boris on getting their excuses ready in case the inquiry doesn't produce the result they want.

Whatever the inquiry result, Boris lacks good judgement and that isn’t what this country needs in what is going to be a very competitive world market place.

So if he is still Conservative leader at the next election vote for someone you think can do better. That's is how democracy works. But for goodness sake the Boris Bashing is becoming so wearing and I detest the way it is turning into attacking everything this country achieves and is detracting from much more important matters.

[oldbluefox]

Just read about Boris' six week old daughter has been suffering quite badly from Covid. We knew he was self isolating because a family member had Covid but didn't know it was his baby daughter. That must have been extremely worrying. I didn't realise babies that young could catch Covid.

So he wasn't"in hiding" as reported in some newspapers and morning TV channels.

[screwy]

And as alleged by someone on here.!