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[oldbluefox]

It was indeed. In these situations you always pray for a good outcome.
I once saw on YouTube a very brave little 14 year old lad who was lowered down a well, head first, to carry out a similar rescue. This one had a positive ending but remarkably the young lad seemed totally unmoved by what he had done. Incredible bravery from this young man.

[Frank Manning]

Tories win a By-Election in Sarfend ... just saying

It would have been the magnetism of Boris of course

But there was no serious opposition - just saying

That's the problem in the Commons too. Just saying......

Labour have a mountain to climb to get over the memory of Corbyn.
I haven't a clue what would happen in a by election where Labour, Lib Dems,or Greens did stand. Clearly Starmer is way ahead of Boris in the polls, and his performance in the commons is pretty good. However Labour are carrying the spectre of the far left, and the Tory press never miss an opportunity to ridicule Starmer whatever he does. I wish they would all, get their heads together, and develop a national strategy that we can all subscribe to. Some hope in the current polarised political landscape.

[Kendhni]

I wish they would all, get their heads together, and develop a national strategy that we can all subscribe to. Some hope in the current polarised political landscape.

Agree totally, I have often said that I do not like our combative system of government and would much prefer a more collaborative approach. That is why I prefer to see coalition governments like the first half of last decade. They don't get everything right but by working together I think they provide a better balance.

[screwy]

I could easily go along with that.

[oldbluefox]

It would certainly make sense and would be something I would favour but we are so entrenched in party tribalism it could never happen.

[Manoverboard]

A coalition Government would never agree on anything, round 'n' round in circles all day long

[Mervyn and Trish]

The last one pretty much destroyed the Lib Dems!

[towny44]

The last one pretty much destroyed the Lib Dems!

The first item on their agenda for any future coalition, is that PR voting has to be a guaranteed bill.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I can't see any party that gains power through the current system ever agreeing to that. Personally I think the Lords should be scrapped and replaced by an upper chamber elected through PR with first-past-the-post retained for the Commons.

[Ray B]

The last one pretty much destroyed the Lib Dems!

They were desperate to taste the feeling of governing. May be a long time for another chance, unless another winning party are desperate as well.

[Gill W]

Disgusting scenes outside Parliament, with that mob surrounding Starmer. I wonder how the idea of Savile was put into their tiny minds ….. ?

[towny44]

Disgusting scenes outside Parliament, with that mob surrounding Starmer. I wonder how the idea of Savile was put into their tiny minds ….. ?

If you dont already know your own answer, I think I will keep it a secret.

[Onelife]

Disgusting scenes outside Parliament, with that mob surrounding Starmer. I wonder how the idea of Savile was put into their tiny minds ….. ?

I wouldn’t place any money on this being true but I do have a feeling this disgusting incident might have been orchestrated from within the conservative party who want to see the back of Boris.
Whilst it appears from reports that this was a protest against Boris’s unsubstantiated claims that Starmer had some involvement in the Savile case, it could also be the case that some within the conservative party just want Boris’s remarks to remain of media interest in order that they can put more pressure on Boris in saying he is still causing damage to the party because of those remarks?

[Kendhni]

Disgusting scenes outside Parliament, with that mob surrounding Starmer. I wonder how the idea of Savile was put into their tiny minds ….. ?

I wouldn’t place any money on this being true but I do have a feeling this disgusting incident might have been orchestrated from within the conservative party who want to see the back of Boris.
Whilst it appears from reports that this was a protest against Boris’s unsubstantiated claims that Starmer had some involvement in the Savile case, it could also be the case that some within the conservative party just want Boris’s remarks to remain of media interest in order that they can put more pressure on Boris in saying he is still causing damage to the party because of those remarks?

I think you are crediting that rent-a-mob of vermin with too much intelligence. I expect a long overdue full retraction of the comments from Johnson in todays apology briefing (he overstepped the mark by a long way) ... absolutely disgraceful that the PM can deliberately mislead the house (Hoyle has ejected MPs for less) causing society's rump end of gullible idiots, that still believe something like Johnson is capable of being honest, to act like this.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I don't condone the demo, nor Boris's remarks. But if Boris can be hounded relentlessly over parties, most of which he wasn't at, for '"lack of leadership" does not the same apply to "lack of leadership" at the CPS when it made a dreadful error?

[towny44]

I don't condone the demo, nor Boris's remarks. But if Boris can be hounded relentlessly over parties, most of which he wasn't at, for '"lack of leadership" does not the same apply to "lack of leadership" at the CPS when it made a dreadful error?

I totally agree, and it's rather two faced of those who have hounded Boris to accept responsibility for every action of his underlings, to adopt exactly the opposite stance for Starmer.

[Manoverboard]

The tiny minds had probably whipped themselves up collectively with like minded souls on the Social Media platforms. It is surely a fact that Starmer had a voice in the decision not to prosecute and that being the case some will doubtless conclude there was a reason for that in the same way that some on here will pass judgement on Boris at every opportunity.

[screwy]

There is a video of Starmer when he was head of the CPS, he was saying that when they got it right the whole dept takes the glory,when they get it wrong ( Saville ) then as Head, he takes full responsibility.!
Maybe it’s time HE actually apologised.

I’m not condoning what happened last night but is there really much difference when Leftiest mobs hound the Tory conference.?

[Gill W]

If you dont already know your own answer, I think I will keep it a secret.

It was a rhetorical question, but your response prompts a real question. How low would Johnson’s behaviour have to sink before you would publicly condemn said behaviour?

I totally agree, and it's rather two faced of those who have hounded Boris to accept responsibility for every action of his underlings, to adopt exactly the opposite stance for Starmer

Completely astonishing that anyone would draw an equivalence between Partygate and Starmer at the CPS.

Starmer, in his professional role acknowledged the Savile situation.

Johnson has spent months twisting, spinning and obfuscating, not to mention misleading Parliament ( a resignation matter) about Partygate, and is now subject to a police enquiry about illegal parties, one of which was in his own flat.

[oldbluefox]

I thought this was a leftist rent-a-mob crowd attempting to replicate the "freedom convoy" in Canada protesting against antivaccine policies and lockdown. It was only when Sir Keir appeared it turned ugly with shouts of traitor and mentions amongst other things of Assange and Savile.
Contrary to what the media (and Twitter ) are portraying this protest was initially nothing to do with Starmer or Savile.
No doubt there will be accusations from some quarters of defending Boris, I don't defend Boris at all but isn't it amazing how the news can be skewed.

[Kendhni]

Completely astonishing that anyone would draw an equivalence between Partygate and Starmer at the CPS.

That sort of counter argument only belongs in a children's playground ... and even then responsible adults would tell them off for being so silly.

This rent-a-mob mentality has to be stamped out ... we have seen it with Whitty, JVT and now Starmer. Everybody should be free to walk through the streets without that sort of vermin intimidating them.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Nobody is arguing with your second point. Your first is your usual tactic of chuck insults when you have no coherent argument.

But Gill is right. How can anybody think a party against lockdown rules is in the same league as failing to prosecute a predatory paedophile? Other than that both are failures of leadership.

[oldbluefox]

No need at all for trying to demean an opinion by throwing insults but I agree entirely with the second part of Ken's post.

[Gill W]

Fact check after fact check has shown that Starmer was not involved in the failure to prosecute Savile, yet he apologised for the organisations shortcomings in this respect.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factch ... SL1N2RP200

If anybody wants to make an equivalence, put Johnson and his partygate behaviour in Starmer’s postition in 2013. Johnson would have attempted to brush the entire thing under the carpet with untruths and obfuscations.

Also if anybody thinks the current situation is just about parties, I think they are kidding themselves. It’s about Johnson’s behaviour in trying to cover it up, not adhering to the laws he made, and misleading Parliament

[Manoverboard]

Whereas Starmer ....