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[Mervyn and Trish]

I do wonder why you think everything is about you Gill. You put forward a point of view on here, which most disagree with, and then when we point out any deficiencies in the argument, you take exception as though we are criticising you, when in fact we are simply stating why we believe the point of view is flawed, not you.

You’re not very perceptive are you?

When I make a simple comment, and get a response telling me I’m naive and then presumes to tell me what I’m thinking, that’s not ‘pointing out a deficiency in my argument’ that’s making it about me. There’s three people on here, including you, that always make it personal.

And then declares the subject closed.

No, you are once again incorrect. I said that I wasn’t going to say anymore. There’s nothing to stop anybody else carrying on the discussion.

For goodness sake there is so much pot, kettle, black in there I don't know where to start.

[towny44]

I do wonder why you think everything is about you Gill. You put forward a point of view on here, which most disagree with, and then when we point out any deficiencies in the argument, you take exception as though we are criticising you, when in fact we are simply stating why we believe the point of view is flawed, not you.

You’re not very perceptive are you?
Pot, kettle black, springs to my mind.

When I make a simple comment, and get a response telling me I’m naive and then presumes to tell me what I’m thinking, that’s not ‘pointing out a deficiency in my argument’ that’s making it about me. There’s three people on here, including you, that always make it personal.

And then declares the subject closed.

No, you are once again incorrect. I said that I wasn’t going to say anymore. There’s nothing to stop anybody else carrying on the discussion.

Sorry Merv, you beat me to it.

[Stephen]

This will ruffle Putins feathers.

Ukraine war: UK to send Ukraine M270 multiple-launch rocket systems https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61701055

[oldbluefox]

BBC reporting that a vote of no confidence will take place today.

[barney]

At last

[Kendhni]

I think he will survive it, not because he is good for the country, or the Tories, but simply because the Tory party is so lacking in uncorrupted political talent that there is no obvious replacement that can unite the party. He has also been responsible for a huge economic poisoned chalice that I don't think anyone else will want to take on.

[Manoverboard]

BBC reporting that a vote of no confidence will take place today.

At 18:00 hrs this evening ... my money is on Boris

[Mervyn and Trish]

Well let's hope he loses so we can change the record. We know if he wins the next move will be allegations of vote rigging, the wrong question on the ballot paper, the wrong rules, it was only advisory. Sound familiar? If he loses we'll also find out if St Hindsight has thought of a new policy to replace I'm not Boris.

[barney]

Of course he’ll win but even more damage done

[Bensham33]

Why a vote what's he done?

[Gill W]

Well, well, who'd have thought it

'the last straw for colleagues appears to have been him being booed outside Friday’s service of thanksgiving at St Paul’s Cathedral.'

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... e237e73a66

Of course he’ll win but even more damage done

Whatever the outcome of the vote, I think he'll try and cling on regardless

[Manoverboard]

I somehow doubt that a bit of boo-ing from a bunch of brain dead cretins will swing it

[Bensham33]

It wasn't a bit of booing. Did you hear it? It was in fact a lot of booing. And how do you know they were brain dead and cretins. They expressed their feelings towards a PM that cheated his own people. Are the more than 54 Tory MPs who kick started this vote cretins and brain dead as well ? (actually don't answer that.)

I think it's the ministers and Tory MP's who are brain dead and cretins for defending the cretin brain dead pm stay in office.

If they really think he has done nothing wrong them go to the people and have a General Election.

[Ray B]

Well let's hope he loses so we can change the record. We know if he wins the next move will be allegations of vote rigging, the wrong question on the ballot paper, the wrong rules, it was only advisory. Sound familiar? If he loses we'll also find out if St Hindsight has thought of a new policy to replace I'm not Boris.

A simple question of, do you have confidence in the Prime Minister Boris Johnson, YES..... NO.
What more could you you add.
Only problem I can see is, if the yes is before the no, or the other way around. You could argue a leading answer.

[Frank Manning]

My brother is an ardent Brexiteer, and a Boris fan. If I cut through a lot of the stuff spouted by both sides to what he said this morning, he has got a point by asking me who else do the Tories have who can unite the party. Incidentally it is his birthday today and I have sent him a card with Bojo on the front and a recorded happy birthday by a Bojo impersonator.

I dont go with all these insults aimed at Sir Keir Starmer. I fear that he would find that running the country with his party in its present state would be a lot harder than being in opposition. He has some good people, but lurking in the wings are the Union Paymasters and they have a totally different agenda. However insulting Sir Keir is just a smoke screen, put up, because he runs rings around Johnson in any debate.

[Frank Manning]

I think he will survive it, not because he is good for the country, or the Tories, but simply because the Tory party is so lacking in uncorrupted political talent that there is no obvious replacement that can unite the party. He has also been responsible for a huge economic poisoned chalice that I don't think anyone else will want to take on.

I agree. I still don't like the bloke because of his whole persona.

[Kendhni]

I somehow doubt that a bit of boo-ing from a bunch of brain dead cretins will swing it

I always considered that the brain dead cretins were the ones cheering him.
Social media is good again today as the Johnson fanbois continue to try to distance themselves from him. As before, if he survives tonight, I suspect yet another Johnson-esque u-turn and start cheering for him again.

Maybe if he survives we will learn what the Tory policies are in relation to the economy, that they have done so much damage to ... at the minute it appears they are so devoid of ideas that they are being forced to u-turn and adopt published Labour policy. I suppose that is the difference between an opposition who have stated policy versus a government that has been winging it for years ... all the workable ideas have already been claimed and documented by the opposition.

[Kendhni]

I think he will survive it, not because he is good for the country, or the Tories, but simply because the Tory party is so lacking in uncorrupted political talent that there is no obvious replacement that can unite the party. He has also been responsible for a huge economic poisoned chalice that I don't think anyone else will want to take on.

I agree. I still don't like the bloke because of his whole persona.

Undoubtedly machiavellian.

[Manoverboard]

It wasn't a bit of booing. Did you hear it? It was in fact a lot of booing. And how do you know they were brain dead and cretins. They expressed their feelings towards a PM that cheated his own people. Are the more than 54 Tory MPs who kick started this vote cretins and brain dead as well ? (actually don't answer that.) ....

To be at an event that is celebrating our Queen and to completely ignore her and aim instead for cheap point scoring against our PM and his wife is something that only a low life cretin would wish to do ... in my humble opinion. It was neither the time nor the place.

The Tory MPs who wrote to the ' 22 Committee are entitled to do just that but was it because they are sidelined in this Tory Government, are frustrated Remoaners or was it because of a load of idiots boo-ing ?

[oldbluefox]

""The booing of Boris Johnson at the Jubilee Thanksgiving service tells us nothing that data does not. There is no social group that trusts him, with even 55 per cent of current Conservatives calling him untrustworthy, against only 25 per cent saying he is trustworthy."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... e237e73a66

Thanks for the link Gill.
Listening to various MPs this morning it seems it was the Sue Gray report which clinched it and I would not be at all surprised if Sir Graham Brady did not have the required 54 votes before the weekend's festivities but held the result over rather than detract from the Queen's Jubilee.

Personally I hope the vote does go against him since it will clear the decks for a new PM without all the baggage Boris has created for himself although I expect it won't be long until the Boris detractors move on to somebody new. A win for Boris will be distinctly pyrrhic since the same rumblings will continue to be repeated which will make moving on very difficult.

It will be interesting to see who will put their name forward should Boris be ousted but PLEASE not Jeremy Hunt.

[Ray Scully]

It wasn't a bit of booing. Did you hear it? It was in fact a lot of booing. And how do you know they were brain dead and cretins. They expressed their feelings towards a PM that cheated his own people. Are the more than 54 Tory MPs who kick started this vote cretins and brain dead as well ? (actually don't answer that.) ....

To be at an event that is celebrating our Queen and to completely ignore her and aim instead for cheap point scoring against our PM and his wife is something that only a low life cretin would wish to do ... in my humble opinion. It was neither the time nor the place.

The Tory MPs who wrote to the ' 22 Committee are entitled to do just that but was it because they are sidelined in this Tory Government, are frustrated Remoaners or was it because of a load of idiots boo-ing ?

An interesting range of views from my Conservative friends/acquittances varying from sycophant support to disowning him.

[Mervyn and Trish]

If Jeremy Hunt ever becomes leader I'll vote for St Hindsiight.

[towny44]

If Jeremy Hunt ever becomes leader I'll vote for St Hindsiight.

I think I would have to join my younger granddaughter and vote green, at least the wasted vote would then be my choice.

[barney]

I’m predicting that the no confidence vote will be 111 votes.
Let’s see how near that is once it’s settled.
Anyone else want to predict, just for fun?

[oldbluefox]

Why a vote what's he done?

He's signed for Palace. Must have heard they are always tripping themselves up as well!!!