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Ray B wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 08:10
What a mess the country is in with no one in charge.
There is someone in charge, he asked to be caretaker PM and is being paid for doing the job, but he has chosen to hide and run a zombie government.
Having a p*ss up in No 10, looking back, seems a minor irritant.
To the overwhelming majority it was a minor issue, it was the incessant lies from Johnson that annoyed people the most ... resulting in Johnson's daily apology briefings as each lie got exposed.
But it resulted in throwing the captain overboard in the face of a raging storm.
As the saying goes, better the Devil you know, than the Devil you don't
Our 'captain' is probably the only one that makes Schettino look competent (both conveniently being absent in the hour of most need). The problem was, Johnson wasn't a 'devil', he was a 'clown' ... and this isn't a Spielberg movie. :D

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Kendhni wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 10:11
towny44 wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 09:02
Ken you take things far too literally, my generalisations are how I see your many detailed posts, which are far too complicated for my simple mind to fully grasp, so I have to rely on gut instinct to help my understanding. Incidentally when you keep throwing out statistics about govt debt and who or what is to blame, my brain goes into sleep mode.
I will try to dumb my language down a bit more just for you. :D
You will find reading a post before responding to it is far better than responding based on random things that you have made up. :thumbup:
I doubt that, it's much more fun to bumble along and keep you on your toes. :D
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Those determined to knock our government for the economic situation should perhaps read this. It can't all be the Tories' fault!

"World governments have faced successive crises which have put immense pressure on their economies, as inflation soars and the cost of living crisis threatens consumer spending. Whereas many - including the Eurozone and the UK - intervened to prevent a recession on a grand scale during the pandemic, this help is being withdrawn just as the effects of the invasion of Ukraine begin to be felt.
Now, analysts suggest that many key economic markers are returning to where they were during the 2008 financial crash.
Robin Brooks, chief economist for the Institute of International Finance and a former Goldman Sachs strategist, noted the Purchasing Managers' Index (PMI) for two of Europe's largest economies, Germany and Italy, is already beginning to show signs of recession.
The index - which shows market conditions as positively expanding or negatively contracting - has not dropped to its 2008 levels for either economy, but has slumped below 50 since the start of the year.
Anything above 50 on the scale from zero to a hundred represents an expansion in production, whereas anything below marks a contraction - suggesting both powerhouse economies are already contracting in terms of their manufacturing output.
However, the new orders minus inventories metric - which reflects manufacturing activity through expected demand and supply - has already dropped to -10 percent for Italy and even lower for Germany.
As such, it seems their manufacturing supply is currently outstripping demand - a likely effect of rising inflation as consumers look to spend less.
Mr Brooks said this downward trend was "already as bad as in the 2008 crisis, and these data don't yet reflect the current spike in energy prices" which are expected to put immense pressure on consumers and industry alike.
Germany in particular may fare worse: much of its economy remains heavy industry manufacturing which tends to consume a lot of natural gas, and which would usually be supplied from Russia.
He added that the "Eurozone is going into [a] deep recession" and that it was a sign that the "global recession is coming".
The leading economist noted that the Eurozone at large was facing a trade deficit "on a scale never seen before" as imports outstrip exports for the economic bloc.
After building up higher exports since the Eurozone crisis of 2011, since mid-2021 imports into the area have outstripped exports, with the chasm between the two growing in recent months.
By the EU's own figures, the Eurozone had a €26.3billion (£22.2billion) trade deficit in May 2022, compared with a €12billion (£10.1billion) surplus in May 2021."

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Must be fake news Merv because it doesn’t fit the narrative.
Britain is exceptional!
Things only happen here!
Everywhere else is perfect!

Six million citizens of European Union countries have willingly and consciously decided to make a home in the U.K.
Hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world CHOOSE the U.K. to live in every year.

Yet, if you believe some, we are slowly sinking into the sea.
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Yep, apparently 1500 crossed the channel again in one day.!

Uk must be doing something right or wrong maybe.
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Mervyn and Trish wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 11:34
Those determined to knock our government for the economic situation should perhaps read this. It can't all be the Tories' fault!
I have never heard anyone claim it was all the tories fault.

Good article, I wish you had have provided a reference to read the full article (or maybe that was it).

The problem though is that it is another case of whataboutery ... which is a logical fallacy often used, as here, to validate an acceptance of striving to achieve the status of the lowest common denominator.

Sadly over the last few years there has been an acceptance of lower and lower standards from our political representatives ... often with the only counter argument being made up irrelevancies about how someone else may have been worse or using someone else's low standards and failures as justification of our own. It is time that stopped.

Instead of the continued use of negative whataboutery it is time we focussed more on the positive whataboutery ... those elements of other societies that we wish to emulate in our strive towards excellence. We are (supposedly) a sovereign nation with our own government and ability to legislate and make decisions ... so let us try to lead the way. We cannot do it alone, but if we point in the right direction then other countries will look at what we are doing and strive to achieve the same high standards.

It is time that once again it became acceptable to expect integrity and excellence in public life, in the workplace and in everything we do. So the question should be what are WE going to do about it, not justify failure simply because others are also struggling.

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The problem with colonialists is that they are obsessed with the Uk standing in the world.
I personally couldn’t give a toss about how the U.K. is perceived in other countries.
We’ve had decades of subsidising EU countries to the tune of billions and now that gravy train has left the station.
I vote for what the politicians here can do for the people here.
We’ve had a decade of Tory government which hasn’t gone well so it’ll be interesting to see how the others perform.
How it looks to others is irrelevant to me.
I don’t want my country to be a world leader, I want it to do what is best for us.
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Kendhni wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 13:40
Mervyn and Trish wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 11:34
Those determined to knock our government for the economic situation should perhaps read this. It can't all be the Tories' fault!
I have never heard anyone claim it was all the tories fault.

Good article, I wish you had have provided a reference to read the full article (or maybe that was it).

The problem though is that it is another case of whataboutery ... which is a logical fallacy often used, as here, to validate an acceptance of striving to achieve the status of the lowest common denominator.

Sadly over the last few years there has been an acceptance of lower and lower standards from our political representatives ... often with the only counter argument being made up irrelevancies about how someone else may have been worse or using someone else's low standards and failures as justification of our own. It is time that stopped.

Instead of the continued use of negative whataboutery it is time we focussed more on the positive whataboutery ... those elements of other societies that we wish to emulate in our strive towards excellence. We are (supposedly) a sovereign nation with our own government and ability to legislate and make decisions ... so let us try to lead the way. We cannot do it alone, but if we point in the right direction then other countries will look at what we are doing and strive to achieve the same high standards.

It is time that once again it became acceptable to expect integrity and excellence in public life, in the workplace and in everything we do. So the question should be what are WE going to do about it, not justify failure simply because others are also struggling.
Ken I do love how you manage to turn every post around to back up your own view of political life in the UK, it really is a remarkable talent that has to be admired. :sarcasm: :lol:
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It is the full article Ken..

And as for noone blaming the Tories I refer you to your own posts.

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Mervyn and Trish wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 14:37
It is the full article Ken..
Thanks - still interesting
And as for noone blaming the Tories I refer you to your own posts.
Then you would be wrong .. the assertion you made was "It can't all be the Tories' fault!" ... I have never ever said it was all the tories fault.

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Kendhni wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 16:00
Mervyn and Trish wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 14:37
It is the full article Ken..
Thanks - still interesting
And as for noone blaming the Tories I refer you to your own posts.
Then you would be wrong .. the assertion you made was "It can't all be the Tories' fault!" ... I have never ever said it was all the tories fault.
You could have fooled me then Ken!!!
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Remind me which bit you ever conceded was not the Tories' fault. You are constantly criticising them without offering any alternative ideas. Not even asinine ones.

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Mervyn and Trish wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 16:33
Remind me which bit you ever conceded was not the Tories' fault. You are constantly criticising them without offering any alternative ideas. Not even asinine ones.
I have never claimed that Mrs Walpole falling off her horse in 1894 was the tory government fault. Maybe if some people read what is posted before responding based on stuff they have just made up ... or maybe if people asked and answered questions rather than jumping to (incorrect) conclusions. At some point the people in charge have to take responsibility and at the minute that is a very weak, corrupt and incompetent tory government.

Although I remain hopeful that once the electioneering BS and dust settles then a new PM will take control of the country; I remain hopeful that whoever it is will restore integrity into the PM office and will take a knife to the cancer of corruption and nepotism that has plagued his/her predecessor; I hope to see/read a plan or strategy for moving forward on many topics; I hope to see a diverse cabinet that brings a broad spectrum of ideas to the table, instead of a cowardly narcissist that surrounded himself with yes men.

And if you have any real interest I have made various suggestions in relation to the current crises ... my posts stand.
Some may be asinine, unworkable and unpopular, but that would make them no different to any of your suggestions.

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You must be posting on a different forum Ken. When I asked for your ideas you accused me of trolling. Doesn't seem like the suggestions you claim.

Oh and asinine was your word, not mine. Among the other insults you regularly hurl.
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Mervyn and Trish wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 20:13
You must be posting on a different forum Ken. When I asked for your ideas you accused me of trolling. Doesn't seem like the suggestions you claim.

Oh and asinine was your word, not mine. Among the other insults you regularly hurl.
Because you were trolling, but I have posted several suggestions both before and after your attempt at trolling. Maybe try more reading and less trolling. :lol: :lol:

When you used 'asinine' #16662 did you mean it as a compliment or were you trolling and hurling your own insults .. yet again? I actually assumed you were being genuine (maybe I was wrong) hence why I said some of my suggestions may have been as asinine as yours. :wave:
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Thanks Ken. I'll leave itt there then as firstly you clearly don't understand the definition of trolling and secondly do not recognise an attempt to engage in genuine positive debate - or maybe don't wish to do so. I'll not bother again.

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Kendhni wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 21:19
Mervyn and Trish wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 20:13
You must be posting on a different forum Ken. When I asked for your ideas you accused me of trolling. Doesn't seem like the suggestions you claim.

Oh and asinine was your word, not mine. Among the other insults you regularly hurl.
Because you were trolling, but I have posted several suggestions both before and after your attempt at trolling. Maybe try more reading and less trolling. :lol: :lol:

When you used 'asinine' #16662 did you mean it as a compliment or were you trolling and hurling your own insults .. yet again? I actually assumed you were being genuine (maybe I was wrong) hence why I said some of my suggestions may have been as asinine as yours. :wave:
If your posts were shorter and to the point we might read them thoroughly, instead of thinking, their goes Ken Tory bashing again, and promptly losing the thread. :lol: 8-)
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towny44 wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 22:41
Kendhni wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 21:19
Mervyn and Trish wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 20:13
You must be posting on a different forum Ken. When I asked for your ideas you accused me of trolling. Doesn't seem like the suggestions you claim.

Oh and asinine was your word, not mine. Among the other insults you regularly hurl.
Because you were trolling, but I have posted several suggestions both before and after your attempt at trolling. Maybe try more reading and less trolling. :lol: :lol:

When you used 'asinine' #16662 did you mean it as a compliment or were you trolling and hurling your own insults .. yet again? I actually assumed you were being genuine (maybe I was wrong) hence why I said some of my suggestions may have been as asinine as yours. :wave:
If your posts were shorter and to the point we might read them thoroughly, instead of thinking, their goes Ken Tory bashing again, and promptly losing the thread. :lol: 8-)
The guy is just a total bore.
He uses big words to promote an intelligent response but is actually pretty dim.
Sometimes less said the better.
If only some would recognise this.
The sort of person you meet on holiday and spend the entire time avoiding.
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Mervyn and Trish wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 22:11
Thanks Ken. I'll leave itt there then as firstly you clearly don't understand the definition of trolling and secondly do not recognise an attempt to engage in genuine positive debate - or maybe don't wish to do so. I'll not bother again.
As was said I took your original post to be genuine and responded to it in that manner, your subsequent post proved you were not ... that was my mistake.

Of all the participants on this board I have been the most willing to enter into genuine discussion, and have gone out of my way to answer genuine questions I am asked ... yet those who DEMAND answers from me continually fail to answer any questions asked of them. Try to be genuine and you may find you get genuine responses back.

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towny44 wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 22:41
Kendhni wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 21:19
Mervyn and Trish wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 20:13
You must be posting on a different forum Ken. When I asked for your ideas you accused me of trolling. Doesn't seem like the suggestions you claim.

Oh and asinine was your word, not mine. Among the other insults you regularly hurl.
Because you were trolling, but I have posted several suggestions both before and after your attempt at trolling. Maybe try more reading and less trolling. :lol: :lol:

When you used 'asinine' #16662 did you mean it as a compliment or were you trolling and hurling your own insults .. yet again? I actually assumed you were being genuine (maybe I was wrong) hence why I said some of my suggestions may have been as asinine as yours. :wave:
If your posts were shorter and to the point we might read them thoroughly, instead of thinking, their goes Ken Tory bashing again, and promptly losing the thread. :lol: 8-)
Length is often down to having to negotiate all the made up stuff others post :lol: 8-)

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barney wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 22:56
towny44 wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 22:41
Kendhni wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 21:19

Because you were trolling, but I have posted several suggestions both before and after your attempt at trolling. Maybe try more reading and less trolling. :lol: :lol:

When you used 'asinine' #16662 did you mean it as a compliment or were you trolling and hurling your own insults .. yet again? I actually assumed you were being genuine (maybe I was wrong) hence why I said some of my suggestions may have been as asinine as yours. :wave:
If your posts were shorter and to the point we might read them thoroughly, instead of thinking, their goes Ken Tory bashing again, and promptly losing the thread. :lol: 8-)
The guy is just a total bore.
He uses big words to promote an intelligent response but is actually pretty dim.
Sometimes less said the better.
If only some would recognise this.
The sort of person you meet on holiday and spend the entire time avoiding.
Sound advice Barney.

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Some people are best avoided. Leave them to their own inflated egos.
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Kendhni wrote: 24 Aug 2022, 07:41

Of all the participants on this board I have been the most willing to enter into genuine discussion, and have gone out of my way to answer genuine questions I am asked
Really? :lol:
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oldbluefox wrote: 24 Aug 2022, 09:24
Some people are best avoided. Leave them to their own inflated egos.
If anybody at all gets up your nose then avoiding them and not responding is the best advice I can give, both as a poster and a Moderator.
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Easier said than done Mob. I do my best but sometimes the Vick Pile characters get the better of me. :lol: :wave:
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