Current Affairs

[Onelife]

I’m having a rethink if it’s not to be Penny then I’m rooting for Boris as I would love to see those who have caused the demise of the conservative party (Remainer MP’s) back where they belong, staying on the back benches.

I think you have been sniffing too much paint thinners lately.

Don’t blame me Ken, blame Gill, she told me to take a couple of deep breaths

Nothing crazy about what I am implying…the Remainer MP’s (grandees) couldn’t accept the referendum so sought revenge by working behind the scenes to make things difficult for those who were charged with taking the process forward. It was from that point differing factions within the party slowly but surely caused division, and that is why we were always going to end up where we are today.

[Kendhni]

I’m having a rethink if it’s not to be Penny then I’m rooting for Boris as I would love to see those who have caused the demise of the conservative party (Remainer MP’s) back where they belong, staying on the back benches.

I think you have been sniffing too much paint thinners lately.

Don’t blame me Ken, blame Gill, she told me to take a couple of deep breaths

Nothing crazy about what I am implying…the Remainer MP’s (grandees) couldn’t accept the referendum so sought revenge by working behind the scenes to make things difficult for those who were charged with taking the process forward. It was from that point differing factions within the party slowly but surely caused division and that is why we were always going to end up where we are today.

We had a brexiteer prime minister, leading a brexiteer government, with a cabinet stuffed full of brexiteer chums, using brexiteer negotiators, creating a withdrawal agreement written by brexiteers, after those same brexiteers surrendered all the UK's red lines, and then this same brexiteer government failed to deliver any benefits or on any of its brexit promises ... and Sunak, who helped trigger the downfall of the brexiteer PM was a brexiteer himself (as were the majority of those whose resignation led to the downfall of Johnson) ... then when it felt safe to go back in the water a brexiteer chancellor, working under a brexiteer PM with another cabinet full of brexiteers managed to totally stuff the economy in a matter of days ... requiring a remain chancellor to calm the markets back down ... and somehow it is not their own fault?

Sorry I cannot give your comment any credibility or take it with any seriousness ... but it did make me laugh out loud.

By the way I am sure someone will be unhappy to hear you are not in the PM for PM camp.

[david63]

and the circus that masquerades as government in this country continues
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/questions-ove ... 06402.html

I think, in fairness, that when these rules were conceived nobody ever considered that a PM would only be in office for such a short time.

[Onelife]

Re Ken's rant

In the meantime, in your short rant you have used Brexit/eers twelve times and yet it only took a handful of Remainers to bring down their party.
You, if you don’t mind me saying are misrepresenting the point I was making…Brexit is done. What I am saying is that the divisions caused within the party, by Brexit, opened up far too many wounds, wounds which Remainers within the party have never wanted to heal. I do however accept that Liz’s intervention did finish off what the Remainers started.

[screwy]

I vote Ken for PM, coz he believes he has all the answers.?

Gill could be his Chancellor coz she worked in Banking and would be good with the coffers.!

Any backers.?

[Mervyn and Trish]

Just as a small matter of accuracy, which I realise is a foreign language to Ken, Liz Truss only converted to Brexit after the referendum. She spoke for, and voted for Remain. But let's not let a fact get in the way of a rant.

[Onelife]

I vote Ken for PM, coz he believes he has all the answers.?

Gill could be his Chancellor coz she worked in Banking and would be good with the coffers.!

Any backers.?

I’m saying nothing because I like them both… squeak! squeak!

[Kendhni]

Just as a small matter of accuracy, which I realise is a foreign language to Ken, Liz Truss only converted to Brexit after the referendum. She spoke for, and voted for Remain. But let's not let a fact get in the way of a rant.

So we are agreed that as a prime minister she stood as a brexiteer backing brexit, your attempted equivocation shows that accuracy and fact are both totally alien to "Mervyn and Trish".

[barney]

Everybody is now a Brexiteer , like it or not.
There’s no way that enough would vote to join the EU.
That’s consigned to history, like it or not.

[Kendhni]

Re Ken's rant

In the meantime, in your short rant you have used Brexit/eers twelve times and yet it only took a handful of Remainers to bring down their party.
You, if you don’t mind me saying are misrepresenting the point I was making…Brexit is done. What I am saying is that the divisions caused within the party, by Brexit, opened up far too many wounds, wounds which Remainers within the party have never wanted to heal. I do however accept that Liz’s intervention did finish off what the Remainers started.

Nobody is arguing about the status of brexit or the divisions it caused. The wounds are not closing because brexiteers, along with their many other failures, have also failed to make any attempts at closing the wounds or bringing people along. Overall though I think relying on unevidenced conspiracy theories only exacerbates the problem... and deflects attention from those that are actually responsible for the failing economy and lack of delivery on promises ... incompetent political leadership.

[Onelife]

Re Ken's rant

In the meantime, in your short rant you have used Brexit/eers twelve times and yet it only took a handful of Remainers to bring down their party.
You, if you don’t mind me saying are misrepresenting the point I was making…Brexit is done. What I am saying is that the divisions caused within the party, by Brexit, opened up far too many wounds, wounds which Remainers within the party have never wanted to heal. I do however accept that Liz’s intervention did finish off what the Remainers started.

Nobody is arguing about the status of brexit or the divisions it caused. The wounds are not closing because brexiteers, along with their many other failures, have also failed to make any attempts at closing the wounds or bringing people along. Overall though I think relying on unevidenced conspiracy theories only exacerbates the problem... and deflects attention from those that are actually responsible for the failing economy and lack of delivery on promises ... incompetent political leadership.

I along with you are often a lone voice on many current affairs topics so our contributions will always attract differing opinions, opinions, such as what you have expressed about my opinions today. I do however disagree with your assertion that my opinion, as to what caused divisions within the conservative party has any less validity than your assertion that” Brexiters, along with their many other failures, have also failed to make any attempts at closing the wounds or bringing people along” which of course is an opinion that must also fall under the unevidenced conspiracy theories to that which you have attributed to my expressed opinion today.

[Kendhni]

I along with you are often a lone voice on many current affairs topics so our contributions will always attract differing opinions, opinions, such as what you have expressed about my opinions today. I do however disagree with your assertion that my opinion, as to what caused divisions within the conservative party has any less validity than your assertion that” Brexiters, along with their many other failures, have also failed to make any attempts at closing the wounds or bringing people along” which of course is an opinion that must also fall under the unevidenced conspiracy theories to that which you have attributed to my expressed opinion today.

I believe that 'opinion' can be defended in as much that multiple brexit politicians have mentioned the need to build bridges ... I can't remember who said it, but one brexit politician made the comment that he considered one of the biggest failures of brexit was not making an attempt to bring non-brexiteers along. Even Johnson said, on multiple occasions, there was a need or him to build bridges (both metaphorically and literally). Sadly a lot of words, but no action.

On the other hand, it was good to read a couple of weeks ago Steve Baker (and Chris Heaton-Harris) acknowledging the damage done when they said “I recognize in my own determination and struggle to get the U.K. out of the European Union that I caused a great deal of inconvenience and pain and difficulty, some of our actions were not very respectful of ... legitimate interests. And I want to put that right.”.


However, I can't honestly say I have not seen any evidence that it was remainers that brought Johnson down. The resignation letters, triggered by Oliver Dowden (who backed brexit) pointed to dishonesty, a lack of integrity, failure but not one (that I am aware of) mentioned brexit as the issue. I really do not think the brexit/remain argument had much to do with Johnson going ... that was all of his own making as was Lettuce Truss.

[Gill W]

I vote Ken for PM, coz he believes he has all the answers.?

Gill could be his Chancellor coz she worked in Banking and would be good with the coffers.!

Any backers.?

I’m sorry Screwy, I can’t get behind your vote, on the basis that no sane person would want either job!

[Kendhni]

I vote Ken for PM, coz he believes he has all the answers.?

Gill could be his Chancellor coz she worked in Banking and would be good with the coffers.!

Any backers.?

I’m sorry Screwy, I can’t get behind your vote, on the basis that no sane person would want either job!

On the plus side it would be extremely difficult to do any worse than the last 2 incumbents ... even fleas struggle to limbo under the bar that has been set ... although I did also say that uturn Betty had an easy act to follow and could hardly do much worse ... how wrong I was!

More seriously though, it is a good point, I really don't know why anyone would want to take on the economic mess that the tories have created. At the minute I think the tory party should be made to reimburse the tax payer the £5bn+ that their incompetence cost over the last few weeks.

[Onelife]

I vote Ken for PM, coz he believes he has all the answers.?

Gill could be his Chancellor coz she worked in Banking and would be good with the coffers.!

Any backers.?

I’m sorry Screwy, I can’t get behind your vote, on the basis that no sane person would want either job!

On the plus side it would be extremely difficult to do any worse than the last 2 incumbents ... even fleas struggle to limbo under the bar that has been set ... although I did also say that uturn Betty had an easy act to follow and could hardly do much worse ... how wrong I was!

More seriously though, it is a good point, I really don't know why anyone would want to take on the economic mess that the tories have created. At the minute I think the tory party should be made to reimburse the tax payer the £5bn+ that their incompetence cost over the last few weeks.

I’m presuming they are willing to take on the job because. (1) they will more than likely still be the opposition leader when Labour gives to the poor but forgets who needs to pay for it (2) They will pocket in the region of £168k + expenses + living accommodation allowance.

[Kendhni]

[I’m presuming they are willing to take on the job because. (1) they will more than likely still be the opposition leader when Labour gives to the poor but forgets who needs to pay for it (2) They will pocket in the region of £168k + expenses + living accommodation allowance.

As the old expression goes ... follow the money

I doubt any political party will be able to sort the UKs problems out this decade, it may even take 3+ parliamentary terms to make any real headway. It was 5 years before Osbourne (in agreement with BoE) was confident enough to say the economy was on the turn and he could lift his pseudo-austerity ... but now we have more than double those levels of debt (with no sign of slowing down), a spiralling DB pension crisis, relatively lower growth and multiple social issues that need to be resolved. Definitely some tough times ahead, especially for the next generation.

[Mervyn and Trish]

We could always sell off the gold reserves to balance the books.

Oh no, sorry. I forgot.......

[Kendhni]

We could always sell off the gold reserves to balance the books.

Oh no, sorry. I forgot.......

The UK has about 310tonnes of gold which is worth about £15bn ... based on recent evidence that wouldn't last a tory PM more than a few hours.

[Mervyn and Trish]

The other half e used to have didn't last a Labour Chancellor long....

[Onelife]

[I’m presuming they are willing to take on the job because. (1) they will more than likely still be the opposition leader when Labour gives to the poor but forgets who needs to pay for it (2) They will pocket in the region of £168k + expenses + living accommodation allowance.

As the old expression goes ... follow the money

I doubt any political party will be able to sort the UKs problems out this decade, it may even take 3+ parliamentary terms to make any real headway. It was 5 years before Osbourne (in agreement with BoE) was confident enough to say the economy was on the turn and he could lift his pseudo-austerity ... but now we have more than double those levels of debt (with no sign of slowing down), a spiralling DB pension crisis, relatively lower growth and multiple social issues that need to be resolved. Definitely some tough times ahead, especially for the next generation.

If there is any comfort to be taken from this, it has to be that many our European counterparts are in the same mess. What we do know however, is that whatever fiscal plans are put in place over the next two years they are going to hurt…that being said, the pain should only last for a couple of years, or until such time that the labour party moves in with the promise of better times ahead…or have I misjudged how our political system works?
We will forever continue on this impotent style of governance until we come to the realisation that our present political system stagnates our economic progress.

I blame the remainers

[Onelife]

We could always sell off the gold reserves to balance the books.

Oh no, sorry. I forgot.......

The UK has about 310tonnes of gold which is worth about £15bn ... based on recent evidence that wouldn't last a tory PM more than a few hours.

[Mervyn and Trish]

If there is any comfort to be taken from this, it has to be that many our European counterparts are in the same mess. What we do know however, is that whatever fiscal plans are put in place over the next two years they are going to hurt…that being said, the pain should only last for a couple of years, or until such time that the labour party moves in with the promise of better times ahead…or have I misjudged how our political system works?
We will forever continue on this impotent style of governance until we come to the realisation that our present political system stagnates our economic progress.

I blame the remainers

I presume those other European countries also left the EU and have Tory governments. Or is there another factor I've missed?

You're right about our political system. It goes in 10 to 15 year cycles. Thatcher, Blair/Brown, Cameron et al.

We elect a party, usually occupying the centre ground. They do well for a while, then start believing their own hype and move towards their extreme, either left or right. By that time we've forgotten how useless the last lot were previously, they've ditched their dead wood for new faces and we elect them for another go.

The same will happen here. We'll elect Labour. Within 2 weeks Have I Got News For You will be slagging them off. 2 weeks later the media will be accusing the BBC of right wing bias. A year later this forum will be relentlessly bashing Starmet.

And repeat...

I blame Boris.

[Kendhni]

I blame the remainers

Repeat that 3 times and click the heels of your red sparkly stilettos together ... and you never know, one day that may become true

[Kendhni]

What we do know however, is that whatever fiscal plans are put in place over the next two years they are going to hurt…that being said, the pain should only last for a couple of years, or until such time that the labour party moves in with the promise of better times ahead…or have I misjudged how our political system works?
We will forever continue on this impotent style of governance until we come to the realisation that our present political system stagnates our economic progress.

My main message is that the electorate has to stop squabbling amongst itself ad start holding the politicians responsible ... for too many years now they have been let off the hook with poor performance and incompetence. And yes, once we turn the corner maybe Trussonomics might work and bring growth back to the economy.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Sadly that won't happen for a long time. We're definitely headed for Starmeration, whatever that looks like. He didn't like Trussonomics and wasn't keen on Sunakasums, so presumably he has worked our the legendary Bliar Third Way.