General Election 2024

[Stephen]

That's it allatc cheer us up

[Mervyn and Trish]

65% of the electorate didn't vote Labour. Come on Rishi challenge the result and call for a riot in Westminster.

[Onelife]

Maldon is still Conservative while allot of surrounding areas went over to Labour. How did your constituency do.

Those who got off their arses to vote returned a conservative MP to the lovely hills of South Shropshire.

[david63]

Well as our new PM Starmer is talking the talk - let's see if he can walk the walk!

[towny44]

Looking at the the gain/loss vote percentages then Labour did not win but Conservatives lost, mainly to Reform.

Anyway the good news is that Scottish independence is now off the table for the next 20 years. As requested the Scottish people have spoken.

How long before Farage starts bleating on about needing to change to PR?

Although I have my doubts about PR, you only have to look at the comparison between the libdems 13% producing 71 MPs, whilst Reform's 15%, only produced 4, to recognise that FPTP is not really representative of the peoples choice.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Would you want more Reform MPs?

[Mervyn and Trish]

More significant perhaps is that with one-third of the vote Labour has two-thirds of the MPs.

Under PR this would be a hung parliament.

[allatc]

More significant perhaps is that with one-third of the vote Labour has two-thirds of the MPs.

Under PR this would be a hung parliament.

Under PR EVERY parliament would be hung then you have inter-party squabbles to form alliances that our continental neighbours enjoy/endure.

[Onelife]

Looking at the the gain/loss vote percentages then Labour did not win but Conservatives lost, mainly to Reform.

Anyway the good news is that Scottish independence is now off the table for the next 20 years. As requested the Scottish people have spoken.

How long before Farage starts bleating on about needing to change to PR?

Although I have my doubts about PR, you only have to look at the comparison between the libdems 13% producing 71 MPs, whilst Reform's 15%, only produced 4, to recognise that FPTP is not really representative of the peoples choice.

I have no doubts John, but agree with your analysis…. Reform polled 4 million + votes and gained 4 seats and yet LibDems polled 3 million + votes and got 71 seats.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I guess the difference is that the Reform vote was spread across the country, all voting for Nigel Farage. The LibDem vote was more concentrated in specific constituencies voting for individual candidates, many of whom had been building support for a long time.

[Onelife]

More significant perhaps is that with one-third of the vote Labour has two-thirds of the MPs.

Under PR this would be a hung parliament.

Under PR EVERY parliament would be hung then you have inter-party squabbles to form alliances that our continental neighbours enjoy/endure.

But we are a civilised country where parties promise to work for the best interest of the country…As we have witnessed over the past 14 years party squabbling has brought this country to its knees…. given the right format and taking into consideration our present political climate I think a coalition parliament has some merits.

[Ray B]

Norwich North ,tory since 2009 after Ian Gibson resigned, has now returned a Labour MP.
One good thing is the Scots seeing a bit of sense and ditching the SNP.
We will now see how the new government will keep to their promises and deliver a better Britain.
Reminder to him, the boat people are still a problem that needs sorting as well.

[Ranchi]

Although I have my doubts about PR, you only have to look at the comparison between the libdems 13% producing 71 MPs, whilst Reform's 15%, only produced 4, to recognise that FPTP is not really representative of the peoples choice.

The problem- & I’m not sure how you get round it- is how do you select the candidates to ‘make up’ the proportional numbers. If we look at our northern neighbours with PR, they got Patrick Harvie & Lorna Slater, neither of whom got very close to an electoral victory in the polls. With the lack of an SNP majority they were given powerful positions in government as a sweetener for the Greens to align with SNP.

[david63]

Here we go - it's starting already

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cldyeykzp33o

“Private-sector investment is the lifeblood of a successful economy. We need to unlock private-sector investment,” she said.

Now where have heard that before - and what a resounding success that was!!

[towny44]

I guess the difference is that the Reform vote was spread across the country, all voting for Nigel Farage. The LibDem vote was more concentrated in specific constituencies voting for individual candidates, many of whom had been building support for a long time.

I doubt that the 60 extra Libdem MPS have been doing much in their future constituencies to build support, since most of them would not have expected to win the seat.
I have not studied the voting but I would guess that Reform dented the Tory vote enough in all the new Libdem seats to tip the seat to the libdems.
Under PR, labour would have228, Cons 156, Reform 98, Libdem 84, and Green 45.
That would have provided some interesting discussions about forming a new government.

[david63]

Under PR, labour would have228, Cons 156, Reform 98, Libdem 84, and Green 45.

I wonder how that would change if we had compulsory voting (not having a go at anyone about not voting)? The turnout is claimed to be one of the lowest with less than 60% voting (which incidentally means that Labour have the backing of around 20% of the electorate)

[screwy]

Sunny Southport voted in a Labour Mp for the first time.
Now that we are ruled by a Labour Council in Bootle who do sod all for our town but take the money out and now have a Lab Mp ,I’m wondering if anything at all will change or will he just be a council puppet.?

[david63]

I’m wondering if anything at all will change

It will probably go even more downhill (if that is possible).

Southport has never been the same since it left Lancashire and became part of Sefton.

[Onelife]

Norwich North ,tory since 2009 after Ian Gibson resigned, has now returned a Labour MP.
One good thing is the Scots seeing a bit of sense and ditching the SNP.
We will now see how the new government will keep to their promises and deliver a better Britain.
Reminder to him, the boat people are still a problem that needs sorting as well.

Hi Ray, the best chance Starmer has of cutting illegal immigration will be if Marion Perrine Le Pen gets in. She has promised to stop illegal immigration into France, this in theory should reduce the numbers we have to contend with.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I am pleased to see Yvette Cooper appointed Home Secretary. I've always rated her. Be interesting to see how she tackles the boats. Of course if Le Pen does stop them Starmer will claim credit!

[screwy]

I’m wondering if anything at all will change

It will probably go even more downhill (if that is possible).

Southport has never been the same since it left Lancashire and became part of Sefton.

Yes you’re right David but I only moved here after leaving the Army in 74, just when the change was made , by the Tories.!
I lived just outside Morecambe when I joined up. Morecambe now run by Lancaster. All these places losing their own identity for the sake of Politics.

[oldbluefox]

I am pleased to see Yvette Cooper appointed Home Secretary. I've always rated her. Be interesting to see how she tackles the boats. Of course if Le Pen does stop them Starmer will claim credit!

I wouldn't hold your breath. Wouldn't be at all surprised if an amnesty was announced.

[allatc]

I am pleased to see Yvette Cooper appointed Home Secretary. I've always rated her. Be interesting to see how she tackles the boats. Of course if Le Pen does stop them Starmer will claim credit!

Le Pen won't stop them crossing the channel. She'll be more likely helping them into the boats to get them off french soil.

[Ray B]

For all the money the previous government sent to the north, at the expense of the east and southwest regions, didn't sway their vote as the north turned red.
Wiĺl be interesting to see how, if our area gets anything, to get our stalled projects back under way

[oldbluefox]

Didn't see anything of it in this part of the north. We've not even got as far as projects, stalled or otherwise. They seem to think north finishes in Manchester along the west coast then it's Scotland. No evidence of levelling up whatsoever although we do now have trains which don't let rain in on your head!!!
Still, now we've got Angela Rayner in charge of levelling up things could start to happen.....or not.