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oldbluefox wrote: 06 Jul 2024, 14:53
Didn't see anything of it in this part of the north. We've not even got as far as projects, stalled or otherwise. They seem to think north finishes in Manchester along the west coast then it's Scotland. No evidence of levelling up whatsoever although we do now have trains which don't let rain in on your head!!!
Still, now we've got Angela Rayner in charge of levelling up things could start to happen.....or not.
You’ve got a better chance of hiring me for the day if you want any levelling up done Foxy :thumbup: ;)


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I wonder why Starmer didn't make her Home Secretary? She was the Shadow for a while.

As for Ange, probably already busy measuring up Downing Street for curtains, just in case....

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So Starmer is saying that there are too many in prison - but correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't he put many of them there?

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He’s bound to be soft on illegal migrants. He was after all a Human Rights Lawyer.!
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How much did the Rwanda Saga cost us, it's only tax payers money down the swany again.
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screwy wrote: 07 Jul 2024, 00:23
He’s bound to be soft on illegal migrants. He was after all a Human Rights Lawyer.!
Under Starmer’s leadership one can expect more successful asylum claims.

Numbers down, boat crossings up.

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We wait and see what will happen. They are actually walking a tightrope with a large majority but many MPs sitting on small majorities and with just a 30% share of the vote.

Personally I hope they do manage to sort out some of the problems the Tories left behind but I well remember the euphoria the country felt when Blair came into office and that did not turn out well. Similarly Boris came into office offering hope and optimism and look what happened there. It's now all up to Starmer but we wait and see.
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Waiting lists shortened at a stroke…use size 8 font. 😂

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Sir Ed Davey spent the first part of interview with Laura Kuenssberg repeating his call for an emergency health and social care budget before the end of July.

He says more money is urgently needed to pay for more GPs, NHS dentists and cancer nurses.
But he does not say where this money is going to come from.

And we all know that just simply throwing more money into the NHS money pit achieves nothing. Come up with a plan and people may take notice.

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I just hope that Wes when giving the Doctors their pay rise, he comes back with some legally binding commitment that Doctors must work a set number of years working for our NHS and not buggering off to another country having gained costly experience and expertise in this country. I don’t think this is unreasonable considering the ongoing training and cost that it takes to produce high quality Doctors.

I also think Wes should be looking at consultant contracts to see if there is room for improvement in their workings between private and NHS.

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Onelife wrote: 07 Jul 2024, 11:07
I just hope that Wes when giving the Doctors their pay rise, he comes back with some legally binding commitment that Doctors must work a set number of years working for our NHS and not buggering off to another country having gained costly experience and expertise in this country. I don’t think this is unreasonable considering the ongoing training and cost that it takes to produce high quality Doctors.
I think that my idea kills two birds with one stone.

For each full year that a junior doctor works in the NHS they get their student grant paid for that year and after, say, 10 years then the whole grant is paid off. They in effect get a pay raise equivalent to the grant repayment and the NHS get the services of the doctors - must be a win, win

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I can’t see any flaws in that suggestion David, it could also be extended to Nurses …. might even attract more into the profession.

You wouldn't happen to have Wes's phone number? I've got a suggestion I want to put forward to him :thumbup: :angel:

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No point in continuing to throw money at the NHS. It needs a complete overhaul to make it more efficient using the resources it already has whether it be doctors'/nurses' contracts, management, procurement, policies and all the other areas where waste is identified. Only then should they be putting more money in to resolve some of the issues facing them.
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oldbluefox wrote: 07 Jul 2024, 12:16
No point in continuing to throw money at the NHS. It needs a complete overhaul to make it more efficient using the resources it already has whether it be doctors'/nurses' contracts, management, procurement, policies and all the other areas where waste is identified. Only then should they be putting more money in to resolve some of the issues facing them.
Totally agree - but as well as that there needs to be a decision taken as to what we want - do we want a world class, all singing, all dancing NHS and if so are we prepared to pay for it, or do we want a cut down budget level NHS that is not going to cost any more and if we want anything outside of that then we pay? Either way the public have got to put their hands in their pockets to get the healthcare that they believe they should have.

The problem is that no political party will come out with that so instead they just keep on tinkering around the edges achieving nothing.

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Starmer is already saying that of course we can't achieve things overnight. Which paves the way in five years time for saying it's all the Tories' fault for the mess they left. Which of course they didn't accept when the boot was on the other foot 14 years ago.

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To be fair, Starmer has achieved the first policy he ever set out. He's not Boris.

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In fairness to Bliar, he wanted some forms of Private Health care to ease the pressure on the NHS, not just the PFI. Brown as Chancellor was totally against it believing only in the 1948 foundation model.He refused to sanction any monies for private health.
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I’ve never forgotten that Brown took Civil Servants ,not sure if all but certainly Prison Officers out of SERPs. OK we paid less NI but have received a lower state pension, the difference in the lower NI payment doesn’t equate to the loss of pension.
When I retired I was told that I hadn’t actually lost anything because it went into my Prison pension.? Sorry but I thought I was on final salary.? Perhaps someone could enlighten me.?
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screwy wrote: 07 Jul 2024, 14:51
I’ve never forgotten that Brown took Civil Servants ,not sure if all but certainly Prison Officers out of SERPs. OK we paid less NI but have received a lower state pension, the difference in the lower NI payment doesn’t equate to the loss of pension.
When I retired I was told that I hadn’t actually lost anything because it went into my Prison pension.? Sorry but I thought I was on final salary.? Perhaps someone could enlighten me.?
Don't let it get to you Screwy. I am on a Utilities pension and if you are getting anything like me you will survive :sarcasm:

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Oh,I reckon I’ll survive Ray. Still can’t believe the time they gave us a 1.5 % rise, payable in two parts 6 months apart, ripped off again.
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david63 wrote: 07 Jul 2024, 11:24
Onelife wrote: 07 Jul 2024, 11:07
I just hope that Wes when giving the Doctors their pay rise, he comes back with some legally binding commitment that Doctors must work a set number of years working for our NHS and not buggering off to another country having gained costly experience and expertise in this country. I don’t think this is unreasonable considering the ongoing training and cost that it takes to produce high quality Doctors.
I think that my idea kills two birds with one stone.

For each full year that a junior doctor works in the NHS they get their student grant paid for that year and after, say, 10 years then the whole grant is paid off. They in effect get a pay raise equivalent to the grant repayment and the NHS get the services of the doctors - must be a win, win
It might incentivise some to stay here, but the money to pay off their Uni fees still needs to come out of the NHS budget, and our taxes.
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I hope the new government don't simply cave in and pay out the junior doctors 35% demand. If they do it will kick off a new round of demands and strikes from others who've already settled.

On the other hand, if the unions accept less than 35% my cynical question will be why do so from a Labour government when they wouldn't from a Tory one? Surely the strikes weren't politically motivated?
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