E cigarettes:

[Ray Scully]

Shows I'm not a food junkie - I thought Derek was on about where he signed on for his benefits

[Not so ancient mariner]

Yes, how did a thread about Batty's experience with e-cigarettes end up talking about how much you can spend in a restaurant?

PS Does anyone know if you can get e-cigars? Cigarettes are so working class!!

[Dark Knight]

notso

Mr Kane hijacked it to make some capital and then started harping on about what he considered to be the price of a bottle of fine wine
I questioned his ability to pay for expensive food and drink , and he was more than happy to show us just what a bon vivant he was and how much he was prepared to pay to be seen in all the right places

and here we are

[The Tinker]

Notso - you will be wanting an e-pipe next to go with your cloth cap

[Ray Scully]

Notso - you will be wanting an e-pipe next to go with your cloth cap

Tinker

I think this is to what you refer

http://www.epuff.co.uk/?ItemNo=370

Ray

[Dark Knight]

can you get an e whippet as well?

[The Monocled Mutineer]

Dancing Queen:

I am well aware of the practice of major supermarkets to feature a budget wine in one of their smaller branches for 28 days (usually in some 'chapel' area in North Wales where alcohol sales are low) at £10.99 (one case will do) before rolling out nationwide by the pallet load to each supermarket and superstore to retail at £5.99.

~~~

For those who accuse me of hi-jacking this thread:

I initially made a comment that, to encourage people to move towards this apparently safer method of smoking, there should be a change in the taxation of cigarettes and e-cigarettes that make cigarettes far less attractive but at the same time preserve Treasury revenue streams from the minority of people who still smoke either product.

It was others who introduced alcohol and in particular fine wine.

It was others who introduced the idea of extra taxation on fine dining and 'luxury' food (how would 'luxury' be defined?).

It was one member in particular who decided to post personal comments about my ability to pay for "good things" and likened my contributions to purely what I read on websites.

Incidentally, our 12/2012 lunch was a celebration at Christmas Eve of our December dated wedding anniversary and our visit to The Pass was for my Birthday. At two of the restaurants I enjoyed wine flights with the seven to ten course menus ( with Mrs Kane as designated driver). When fine dining, ordering by the bottle, I try to seek out something "new" and nearly always seek the advice of the sommelier who will be well acquainted with his or her cellar and will suggest plate/glass pairings.

Considering that we are told that the cost of bring up a child is now in the region of £150,000 then over a 20 year period cruises, fine dining and other "good things" are affordable for the likes of a childless working couple on modest remunerations.

[Dark Knight]

Mr Kane
did I not profusely apologise for doubting your word? did I not say I withdrew all my earlier comments?
you seem to have overlooked both of the points deliberately?
perhaps playing the victim card will be next followed by the old but good, everyone picks on me line

if you want to debate then have the good grace to accept and acknowledge an apology when given or it may well be the last one you ever get

[The Monocled Mutineer]

Dark Knight:

I was taking cognisance of your previous reply which was rather unpleasant.

Also on an earlier reply sarcasm is no substitute for a sincere apology. The reply with 'epicurean' in the message body was laden with sarcasm.

[david63]

Perhaps Mr Kane could answer this.

If (and it is a big IF) all smokers were to stop buying tobacco products tomorrow (I would suggest today but that is too soon!) then where would the revenue stream that was attributable to tobacco then come from?

Still waiting

[Admiral of the Humber]

Dear Forumeers,

This is all getting a little out of hand ...please remember that this is the "friendly cruise forum"...tut tut.

Darknightie..congratulations on you continuing efforts to kick the weed. When you have stopped totally I shall allow you to take the the lady Admiral and myself out to the "Pipe and Glass" by way of celebration...and you can pay with all the money you will have saved.

Regards
Rob aka AOTH

[Not so ancient mariner]

Perhaps Mr Kane could answer this.

If (and it is a big IF) all smokers were to stop buying tobacco products tomorrow (I would suggest today but that is too soon!) then where would the revenue stream that was attributable to tobacco then come from?

Still waiting

I do believe Mr Kane has already answered this one. His solution was to massively increase the tax on tobacco products to price them out of reach of all but the very rich (or very stupid, I imagine he would say) and then tax the nicotine replacement products (e-cigarettes etc.) at a similar level as current tobacco duty, in order to restore the revenue flow.

[Not so ancient mariner]

Actually there are other fiscal considerations to be taken into account. On the plus side there will be a reduced demand on the NHS as the incidence of smoking related diseases falls, but this will be offset by increased demands upon pension provision, as non-smokers tend to live longer.

[Admiral of the Humber]

Perhaps Mr Kane could answer this.

If (and it is a big IF) all smokers were to stop buying tobacco products tomorrow (I would suggest today but that is too soon!) then where would the revenue stream that was attributable to tobacco then come from?

Still waiting

I do believe Mr Kane has already answered this one. His solution was to massively increase the tax on tobacco products to price them out of reach of all but the very rich (or very stupid, I imagine he would say) and then tax the nicotine replacement products (e-cigarettes etc.) at a similar level as current tobacco duty, in order to restore the revenue flow.

Move over George Osbourne...her comes the Right Honorable Degsy Kane....

[david63]

Perhaps Mr Kane could answer this.

If (and it is a big IF) all smokers were to stop buying tobacco products tomorrow (I would suggest today but that is too soon!) then where would the revenue stream that was attributable to tobacco then come from?

Still waiting

I do believe Mr Kane has already answered this one. His solution was to massively increase the tax on tobacco products to price them out of reach of all but the very rich (or very stupid, I imagine he would say) and then tax the nicotine replacement products (e-cigarettes etc.) at a similar level as current tobacco duty, in order to restore the revenue flow.

But my question relates to everyone stopping smoking and/or using tobacco products therefore there would be no alternative tobacco products tax

[Quizzical Bob]

Perhaps Mr Kane could answer this.

If (and it is a big IF) all smokers were to stop buying tobacco products tomorrow (I would suggest today but that is too soon!) then where would the revenue stream that was attributable to tobacco then come from?

Still waiting

I do believe Mr Kane has already answered this one. His solution was to massively increase the tax on tobacco products to price them out of reach of all but the very rich (or very stupid, I imagine he would say) and then tax the nicotine replacement products (e-cigarettes etc.) at a similar level as current tobacco duty, in order to restore the revenue flow.

But my question relates to everyone stopping smoking and/or using tobacco products therefore there would be no alternative tobacco products tax

The money would be spent on something else. There would be tax on it however it were spent.

[david63]

Not necessarily, it could be spent on items that do not attract taxes directly - such as cruises

[The Monocled Mutineer]

David63:

I had answered your question. Unless you mean every one gives up e-cigs too. in which case revenue would need to be found from elsewhere, although some would be recouped from increased spending in other products and services under existing duties and vat plus savings in then long term from smoking related diseases (offset by increased pensions as more people live longer. There would also be a saving from a drop in fires that are caused by thoughtless and stupid smokers.

[Dark Knight]

Day 5
still working well, no cravings for a "real" cigarette
I have found that the battery packs last about a day or just over, before needing to be charged up which, is a bit of a drag

but on the whole it seems to be working

AOTH
if I offered to pay to take you to the Michelin starred Pipe and Glass, you would be there ,whether I smoked or not Mind you it was a very nice meal on Wednesday night, so your recommendation was spot on

[Admiral of the Humber]

Dear Darknightie,

Funny such a gem being in the coarse and vulgar north!

Regards
Rob aka AOT

[Dark Knight]

oddly enough Yorkshire has the same number of starry restaurants as Hampshire

a fact very often overlooked by the post code snobs

[Admiral of the Humber]

oddly enough Yorkshire has the same number of starry restaurants as Hampshire

a fact very often overlooked by the post code snobs

A certain member of this forum would argue that your argument is flawed as Yorkshire is rather larger than Hampshire...but hey ho..what a pleasing statistic. Whatever next? Regular cruise sailings from the north perhaps?

Regards
Rob aka AOTH

[Not so ancient mariner]

(snipped) There would also be a saving from a drop in fires that are caused by thoughtless and stupid smokers.

I should point out that there have been reports of fires caused by e-cigarettes. Apparently the batteries used in some brands can overheat (and on rare occasions explode) and have been responsible for several fires.

(Made by the same people who supply Boeing perhaps?)

[The Monocled Mutineer]

Observers of this forum will understand why Hampshire has been singled out and linked to "post code snobs", as opposed to say Surrey, Buckinghamshire or Berksire.

Taking the 2012 guide, there were six one star restaurants in Yorkshire compared with five in Hampshire (six if you include the IOW)

Aside from the point made by another reply that Yorkshire is bigger than Hampshire and more tellingly has over 5m people vs 1.4m, there remains the concept of convenient accessibility of restaurants being that county boundaries in the UK are not exactly as impervious as say the former borders of the two Germanys.

I live within a few miles of the borders of two counties. In about one hours drive from my home there were the following number of Michelin starred restaurants.

Two 3 star restaurants
Four 2 star restaurants
Twelve 1 star restaurants

In addition, with a few minutes to my local railway station I am about a one hour train ride away from the following number of London Michelin starred restaurants.

Two 3 star restaurants
Seven 2 star restaurants
Thirty-one 1 star restaurants,

in the Cities of Westminster, Kensington & Chelsea and The City alone.

(There are also numerous Michelin starred restaurants in other London boroughs and the outer suburbs).

I recall various gastronomic pilgrimages to Ilkley's Box Tree Cottage in the days of Malcolm Reid and Colin Long. Indeed, at the tender age of 20 in 1976 I enjoyed my first gastronomic restaurant experience at my own expense in this restaurant at the then eye-watering cost for two of £20. I also had a more recent meal at the splendid Old Vicarage in Ridgeway near Sheffield.

I note also that Hampshire and Yorkshire both enjoy similar population densities (at around 850 per sq mile). Given that there are vast expanses of Yorkshire that are very thinly populated one comes to the conclusion that many more folk live in more crowded urban areas than those in the desirable and southern county of Hampshire.

[Silver_Shiney]

Anyway, to get this thread back on topic, it has taken years to realise the dangers of conventional cigarettes. How can we be sure that e-fags are completely safe?