Woolly Mammoths

[Mervyn and Trish]

I notice in the press that Woolly Mammoths apparently died out 100,000 years ago because of global warming. Was that caused by cars, aeroplanes or coal-fired power stations? Did they not have green taxes to protect them? Or are we to conclude that climate change is, after all, cyclical?

[Dark Knight]

we can conclude, that we, as a species , are not half as clever as we think we are and that nature is far more complex than we can ever fully comprehend
Globar warming may be cyclical, but given the amount of time between cycles, we will never know ,as we were not advanced enough to measure and record the first/second/third etc and at the rate we are killing the planet, we won't be around for the next one after this
so the short answers is nobody knows and even less people really care

[Manoverboard]

Woolly Mammoths you say ... hmm, they probably died of smoking related diseases else were run over by the Whoolly Bin lorry.

[Mervyn and Trish]

we can conclude, that we, as a species , are not half as clever as we think we are and that nature is far more complex than we can ever fully comprehend
Globar warming may be cyclical, but given the amount of time between cycles, we will never know ,as we were not advanced enough to measure and record the first/second/third etc and at the rate we are killing the planet, we won't be around for the next one after this
so the short answers is nobody knows and even less people really care

So are you saying that when they say this is the hottest/coldest/wettest/driest day/week/month/season/year since records began that those records didn't actually go back 100,000 years? Are you suggesting cavemen couldn't be bothered to write it all down? Scandalous!

[david63]

The cavemen wrote it all down - just need to find which cave wall they wrote it on

[Dark Knight]

i believe they "painted" it all down to be acurate

[Not so ancient mariner]

It is inarguable that the world is getting warmer - Bats can now live as far north as east Yorkshire - the only question is how much effect are human activites having on this process: i.e. what would the climate be doing if we weren't pumping all those pollutants into the atmosphere?

[Kendhni]

I notice in the press that Woolly Mammoths apparently died out 100,000 years ago because of global warming. Was that caused by cars, aeroplanes or coal-fired power stations? Did they not have green taxes to protect them? Or are we to conclude that climate change is, after all, cyclical?

Being pedantic, there is no such thing as global warming, what there is, is climate change (which may result in warming, cooling, aridness, precipitation and other changes in equal or varying measures across the globe). I believe the actual report referred to 'climate change' affecting their habitat ... the media may however have picked this up as 'global warming'.

[Romig1]

I notice in the press that Woolly Mammoths apparently died out 100,000 years ago because of global warming. Was that caused by cars, aeroplanes or coal-fired power stations? Did they not have green taxes to protect them? Or are we to conclude that climate change is, after all, cyclical?

Being pedantic, there is no such thing as global warming, what there is, is climate change (which may result in warming, cooling, aridness, precipitation and other changes in equal or varying measures across the globe). I believe the actual report referred to 'climate change' affecting their habitat ... the media may however have picked this up as 'global warming'.

Ken, it was often referred to as Global Warming, until the half-wits realized that we were also getting other extremes in weather - that's when they adjusted to the term Climate Change.

[Kendhni]

Again being pedantic, the scientific world generally referred to it as climate change, until half-wits started calling it global warming because at this point of time (?) the overall world is on a cycle mainly of warming ... which in the UK means 'more rain'

[Mervyn and Trish]

No doubt there has been a little warming over the past few years, but not at the rate the zealots predicted, and not so long ago it was cooling. I certainly do not deny climate change happens, but believe it has always happened for reasons outside human control, and pushing fuel prices to a level that people start freezing to death in their own homes won't stop it.

There are good arguments for reducing the use of fossil fuels where we can, not least because most of them are in the hands of unstable regimes. But not to the extent of making life unpleasant and unnecessarily expensive and all buying electric cars that cost zillions to build and clap out half way back from the supermarket.

And just to clarify the report I read, it did refer to climate change. It said there was an ice age which reduced WM numbers followed by a period of warming which finished them off.

[Silver_Shiney]

Again being pedantic, the scientific world generally referred to it as climate change, until half-wits started calling it global warming because at this point of time (?) the overall world is on a cycle mainly of warming ... which in the UK means 'more rain'

and more taxes....

[Silver_Shiney]

It said there was an ice age which reduced WM numbers followed by a period of warming which finished them off.

But as this wasn't observed, it is mere speculation.

[Quizzical Bob]

So... did they die out because they were too wooly, or not wooly enough?

[The Monocled Mutineer]

Mammoths actually became exinct on mainlands around 10,000 years ago and on Wrangel Island about 4,000 years ago. They are the third most depicted life form in early human cave art known some as early as circa 40,000 years down to pre-Neolithic times.

Of course mammoths are among many creatures that once lived and thrived on the planet but are an incovenient truth to Creationists who set the the creation of the world at 4,004 BCE (let alone Dinosaurs, etc) and that species evolve and adapt or die out, essentially from the simple to the complex, and not through intelligent design, although Dawkins' metaphor of a 'Blind Watchmaker' is useful in understanding the process of life on Earth.

[Dark Knight]

maybe they just had a shave as it got too hot
and hey presto elephants

[Mervyn and Trish]

That's precisely the point I was making MM. I think?

[Silver_Shiney]

Mammoths actually became exinct on mainlands around 10,000 years ago and on Wrangel Island about 4,000 years ago. They are the third most depicted life form in early human cave art known some as early as circa 40,000 years down to pre-Neolithic times.

Of course mammoths are among many creatures that once lived and thrived on the planet but are an incovenient truth to Creationists who set the the creation of the world at 4,004 BCE (let alone Dinosaurs, etc) and that species evolve and adapt or die out, essentially from the simple to the complex, and not through intelligent design, although Dawkins' metaphor of a 'Blind Watchmaker' is useful in understanding the process of life on Earth.

Total conjecture.

[Quizzical Bob]

maybe they just had a shave as it got too hot
and hey presto elephants

Very flexible. That's the wonder of woolies.

[Dark Knight]

total wiki and google

[Manoverboard]

maybe they just had a shave as it got too hot
and hey presto elephants

Very flexible. That's the wonder of woolies.

Did you know that the Dorchester Woolies was saved by the staff who worked there but that they have since folded ... a great shame that but it had nothing to do with climate change of course.

[Dark Knight]

err I think you will find the economic climate changed

still climate change

[Mervyn and Trish]

maybe they just had a shave as it got too hot
and hey presto elephants

Very flexible. That's the wonder of woolies.

Did you know that the Dorchester Woolies was saved by the staff who worked there but that they have since folded ... a great shame that but it had nothing to do with climate change of course.

I feel sure it would have survived if you'd bought a Toyota Prius and turned off your lights.

[Dark Knight]

ahhh buy a prius and save the world eh

shame a 320 BMW is much more economical and emits less co2

[Mervyn and Trish]

ahhh buy a prius and save the world eh

shame a 320 BMW is much more economical and emits less co2

Tragic isn't it, especially when you need to shell out £5,000 for a new set of Duracells for it instead of just popping in to the filling station for a new tank of fossils! But clearly Toyota have the better PR team.