Woolly Mammoths

[Onelife]

Perhaps we should leave this one to MOB after all he was around when they became extinct

I’m out of here..squeak squeak.

[Quizzical Bob]

maybe they just had a shave as it got too hot
and hey presto elephants

Very flexible. That's the wonder of woolies.

Did you know that the Dorchester Woolies was saved by the staff who worked there but that they have since folded ... a great shame that but it had nothing to do with climate change of course.

I feel sure it would have survived if you'd bought a Toyota Prius and turned off your lights.

But how would you see where you're going at nighttime?

[Dark Knight]

did woolies drive a hybrid? or did they all drive Chelsea tractors, which as we know are the root of all evil and driven by wags and yummy mummies

[Mervyn and Trish]

did woolies drive a hybrid? or did they all drive Chelsea tractors, which as we know are the root of all evil and driven by wags and yummy mummies

That wasn't actually recorded in the article I read, though I doubt it. I don't think there are many Woolly Mammoths in Chelsea.

[Manoverboard]

... 320 BMW is much more economical and emits less co2

I didn't realise that you are into Classic cars.

I doubt however that any car that was built in 1937 is eco friendly ... even in 'Ull.

[Dark Knight]

do you know that for a fact or it is just conjecture?

try wiki or google, its great for making numpties sound erudite

[Mervyn and Trish]

Just need to Google to find out what erudite means. Thought it was sticky and came in tubes.

[Dark Knight]

close Merv
it is a slippery substance, like swarfega,

[Mervyn and Trish]

Good for lubricating your new Reliant then?

(Sorry HK - another vehicular reference. )

[Dark Knight]

that's KY jelly Merv, lubricates most things

[Mervyn and Trish]

DK I said HK not KY. OK?

[Dark Knight]

oops my bad....slip of the fingers

[Mervyn and Trish]

But getting back to my original point, who, like me, thinks this is more evidence that, while climate change is real and has gone on for thousands of years and will go on for thousands more, global warming is a bogey man leapt on by greens and others as an excuse to tax us out of existence and make our lives as miserable as possible by taking away our cars, aeroplanes and central heating boilers? And in the interests of free speech and balance, who doesn't?

[Dark Knight]

as there was no way to record the distant past, we will never know what exactly happened but the planet is still changing , evolving and the tectonic plates are still moving
I would wager that volcanic activity in the past did more damage than any number of greenhouse gases and cars
yes we are damaging the planet, but in cosmic terms we are just a blink of an eye and nature has a way of reclaiming the earth, so when we have eventually destroyed the place, nature will just carry on without us
and if were possible to step outside and watch ,we would see the planet recover long after we have gone

[Manoverboard]

The Earth rotates on it's axis and moves a degree or two either way over many milenium ... ish.

During this natural gravitational cycle the weather gradually switches from one extreme to the other.

True or false that is sort of what we learnt at school and it dovetails with what I personally chose to believe.

So .... I accept that climate change is real but reject any idea that the end of the World is neigh unless I am prepared to pay heaps of Carbon Taxes to satisfy a bunch of tree huggers.

[Not so ancient mariner]

The Earth rotates on it's axis and moves a degree or two either way over many milenium ... ish.

During this natural gravitational cycle the weather gradually switches from one extreme to the other.

True or false that is sort of what we learnt at school and it dovetails with what I personally chose to believe.

So .... I accept that climate change is real but reject any idea that the end of the World is neigh unless I am prepared to pay heaps of Carbon Taxes to satisfy a bunch of tree huggers.

Was that a typo, or are you objecting to going back to using horses?

A.P.E.Dant

[Manoverboard]

I would like to try a Woolly Mammoth out for size before I finally decide

[Silver_Shiney]

But getting back to my original point, who, like me, thinks this is more evidence that, while climate change is real and has gone on for thousands of years and will go on for thousands more, global warming is a bogey man leapt on by greens and others as an excuse to tax us out of existence and make our lives as miserable as possible by taking away our cars, aeroplanes and central heating boilers? And in the interests of free speech and balance, who doesn't?

I'm with you on that, Merv

[Onelife]

Hi Alan

I suppose it all depend on how one interprets climate change...I don’t believe a few years of melting ice fields or barren crops due to droughts really tells us anything. Meteorologists “can’t” predict what is happening in seven days time let alone tell us what will be happening over the next few decades.

There has and always will be varying degrees of climate change and I haven’t witnessed anything that makes me think we are heading towards the next ice age or world drought....although I am in no doubt our star will witness many of this changes over the billions of years to come.

I wouldn’t be surprised if our human race becomes extinct during this time only then to be replaced by some other life form.

Don’t worry I have an appointment with the shrink tomorrow.



Regards

Keith

[HK phooey]

I see the censorship fairy has been working overtime again. I'll presume it was because things had gone off topic so will start a new thread.

[The Monocled Mutineer]

As in the fossil record and indeed in scientific observation of live specimens of life since the Enlightenment which shows the irredeemable debunking of biblical (and other superstitious 'truth'), so the geological record and effects on life (through the fossil record) shows the impact of climate change both cyclical ( at overlapping and different levels of frequency) as well as cataclysmic events such as major volcanic events, solar fluctuation beyond normal cyclical knowns and asteroidal and cometary collisions.

However, as a species, which unlike any other species has exploited both inanimate and living resources at an ever increasing level and more recently at an unsustainable level, and with our sheer numbers likely to peak and level out by the end of the century to 9bn, only a fool would deny that human based activity on the natural climate change cycle has an impact on the climate and consequently on all life on earth including humans.

What is a valid debate is whether efforts to go for renewables, recycle, become more energy efficient and conserve and protect species and environment is simply a 'finger in the dyke' or saving the planet. What is an absolute truth, though, is that doing nothing and carrying on as we have since the Industrial Revolution and supplying the 9bn with a western lifestyle of consumables, cars and homes IS unsustainable unless we make dramatic inroads to reduce global population down to a much lower level.

What stands in the way of this real green and laudable aim is of course the ignorance and superstition of religion.

The greenest thing you can do if you are at the start of your adult life is to not replace yourself, or to stop at one per marriage / relationship.

[Silver_Shiney]

The fossil and geological records are abundant evidences of Noah' s flood. If this thread is still open why I get back home, I will elaborate later.

TMM, I will defend your right to hold whatevef beliefs you want but your continual sneering at things you have no knowledge or experience makes you look very foolish

[Kendhni]

The fossil and geological records are abundant evidences of Noah' s flood. If this thread is still open why I get back home, I will elaborate later.

The story of Noah is actually one of the things considered by science to be a reasonable historical recount of an event. There is still a lot of debate as to what event it actually covered but some theories include, the flooding of the Mediterranean; the flooding of the Black Sea; the flooding of the Euphrates Delta. The story of 2-by-2 is inaccurate though ... as is the concept of 'every' animal. The reality is more likely that Noah, being a 'farmer', took his farm animals onboard a craft he built ... which somehow got mistranslated to the point that folklore now thinks he had 2 of every animal.

It is also very very clear, and scientifically indisputable, that fossil records go back for many millenia .. and without doubt, well before Noah or other humans inhabited this earth.

[The Monocled Mutineer]

Ken:

The flooding of the Med basin occurred about 5 million years ago.

The Noah story is more likely based on Mesopatania flooding a couple of millennia BCE

[The Monocled Mutineer]

Another possibility is a flood, retreat, and reflood of the Black Sea.