it's not just cruises where dress code is poor

[arcadialover]

Some friends of ours went to a carvery today in a hotel, sat in the restaurant, not the bar and the man on the next table was sat in shorts and a scruffy looking T shirt. If I had been the manager I wouldn't have let him in. What is it with some people that they can't be bothered to dress appropriately.

[Silver_Shiney]

your dining companion would probably claim it was his yuman rites to dress like that....

[Quizzical Bob]

What's wrong with that? Dress is not important.

[arcadialover]

Totally disagree, a 5 * hotel resturant and someone wearing shorts?

[Silver_Shiney]

Dressing-down might be acceptable in an informal eatery at lunchtime, but not in a "proper" restaurant and never in the evening.

[Quizzical Bob]

Totally disagree, a 5 * hotel resturant and someone wearing shorts?

You didn't say 5*.

[david63]

Surely a guage of what the dress code is in any particular venue is what the majority are wearing.

This poor chap possibly thought that you were overdressed - that is if he gave it any thought at all.

[Frank Manning]

I'm afraid I am old school. I would never go to a good restaurant, hotel, or venue without a decent jacket and proper trousers. On so called 'Resort Wear' nights on P&O I am the one with his shirt tucked in to his trousers, and probably with a jacket on as well. My concession to that is to remove the tie. On Jacket Required I always wear a tie. It isn't snobbery, before anyone suggests it, it is a case of what I feel comfortable wearing, with white tablecloths on the tables, and proper waiter service I like t show them that I too have made the effort.

Tuesday evening I am hoping to go to a Dinner and I am looking forward to wearing a suit and tie.

[Stephen]

Some friends of ours went to a carvery today in a hotel, sat in the restaurant, not the bar and the man on the next table was sat in shorts and a scruffy looking T shirt. If I had been the manager I wouldn't have let him in. What is it with some people that they can't be bothered to dress appropriately.

It tells me the hotel isn't up to much and sets it's standards very low.

Could it have been an X P&O restaurant manager by any chance, hence allowing all and sundry in

[Dark Knight]

clothes don't make the person and all this dressing for dinner is an affectation, harking back to the days when the working class emulated the upper class and the upper class were properly upper class
if the supposed 5* was a genuine 5*. they would not have let anyone in wearing shorts and a tee shirt, as they would hve a dress code
I suspect the restaurant was not quite all that and that is borne out by allowing some one in in shorts

[suespud]

Normally everyone comes to ours for Christmas lunch and tend to get dressed up in their Christmas outfits..very smart and Christmassy.
Apart from our eldest son that is....he likes to wear shorts(albeit long ones) and a t-shirt !!!!
He might look a bit scuffy, but he does shower and his clothes are fresh and clean on.
He says, he feels more comfy and its a special day and he feels special by wearing something he wouldn't normally wear.
Well that was fine in our home...each to their own..I couldn't care less what he wears.
BUT...this year we are all going out for our Christmas lunch...then back to ours for the rest of the day and night( 14 of us)
He accepts he will have to be dressed properly, but has said his shorts and t-shirt will be in a bag so he can get changed as soon as he can !!!!

[sumdumbloke]

clothes don't make the person and all this dressing for dinner is an affectation, harking back to the days when the working class emulated the upper class and the upper class were properly upper class
if the supposed 5* was a genuine 5*. they would not have let anyone in wearing shorts and a tee shirt, as they would hve a dress code
I suspect the restaurant was not quite all that and that is borne out by allowing some one in in shorts

I was with you all the way, comrade, until you back pedalled!

You started by rightly nailing mode of dress as the utter red-herring it is, but then spoiled it by saying that the restaurant couldn't have been a real one since it failed to enforce a proper dress code!

[Stephen]

Normally everyone comes to ours for Christmas lunch and tend to get dressed up in their Christmas outfits..very smart and Christmassy.
Apart from our eldest son that is....he likes to wear shorts(albeit long ones) and a t-shirt !!!!
He might look a bit scuffy, but he does shower and his clothes are fresh and clean on.
He says, he feels more comfy and its a special day and he feels special by wearing something he wouldn't normally wear.
Well that was fine in our home...each to their own..I couldn't care less what he wears.
BUT...this year we are all going out for our Christmas lunch...then back to ours for the rest of the day and night( 14 of us)
He accepts he will have to be dressed properly, but has said his shorts and t-shirt will be in a bag so he can get changed as soon as he can !!!!

Hi Sue

Can we come round to. We can't afford to have our heating on as high as you to be able to wear shorts mid winter!

[Dark Knight]

SDB
it is a well know affectation for so called 5* gaffes to try to pretend to be upmarket by saying that gentelmen should wear long trousers, tee shirts are not allowed etc, thus inventing a dress code to pander to the old fashioned slightly ,snobby patrons, who think they are a bit better than the bloke in shorts and whinge about it
a bit like PandO trying to pretend to be up market and to get away from the mass market cruise line it really is, by having a couple of night where people dress up for effect

Dress codes are for snobs and Mrs Buckets

[Stephen]

Is that a hornets nest I can hear O darkest one

[Dark Knight]

more a snoring bear Stephen

[suespud]

Normally everyone comes to ours for Christmas lunch and tend to get dressed up in their Christmas outfits..very smart and Christmassy.
Apart from our eldest son that is....he likes to wear shorts(albeit long ones) and a t-shirt !!!!
He might look a bit scuffy, but he does shower and his clothes are fresh and clean on.
He says, he feels more comfy and its a special day and he feels special by wearing something he wouldn't normally wear.
Well that was fine in our home...each to their own..I couldn't care less what he wears.
BUT...this year we are all going out for our Christmas lunch...then back to ours for the rest of the day and night( 14 of us)
He accepts he will have to be dressed properly, but has said his shorts and t-shirt will be in a bag so he can get changed as soon as he can !!!!

Hi Sue

Can we come round to. We can't afford to have our heating on as high as you to be able to wear shorts mid winter!

Stephen...you are very welcome!! The heating will be on as most of us will be putting our pj's on for the rest of the day...clean ones of course

[Stephen]

Normally everyone comes to ours for Christmas lunch and tend to get dressed up in their Christmas outfits..very smart and Christmassy.
Apart from our eldest son that is....he likes to wear shorts(albeit long ones) and a t-shirt !!!!
He might look a bit scuffy, but he does shower and his clothes are fresh and clean on.
He says, he feels more comfy and its a special day and he feels special by wearing something he wouldn't normally wear.
Well that was fine in our home...each to their own..I couldn't care less what he wears.
BUT...this year we are all going out for our Christmas lunch...then back to ours for the rest of the day and night( 14 of us)
He accepts he will have to be dressed properly, but has said his shorts and t-shirt will be in a bag so he can get changed as soon as he can !!!!

Hi Sue

Can we come round to. We can't afford to have our heating on as high as you to be able to wear shorts mid winter!

Stephen...you are very welcome!! The heating will be on as most of us will be putting our pj's on for the rest of the day...clean ones of course

I'll have to have a re-think Sue. I didn't realise it was going to be one of THOSE do's

[emjay45]

It reminds me of a holiday we had in the South of France about 30 years ago. We were driving back to our holiday villa from Cannes, where we had spent the day. We were looking for somewhere to eat and spotted a nice little restaurant. We were all dressed in shorts and T-shirts (me, my husband and 2 sons) The restaurant was just opening and in we went. We were shown to a table by a rather pompous waiter. The table was at the side of the restaurant hidden behind a huge plant. As we were looking at the menu, a German family arrived dressed as we were and they were also shown to a table again hidden by a huge plant. The food was fabulous although we thought the waiters were a little superior in their attitude. We put it down to the fact we had always found the French in that area a little arrogant. Halfway through our meal people started to arrive. Argh!!!! they were all in evening wear. ladies in long gowns dripping in jewellery, men in dinner jackets. I thought no wonder we were seated behind a huge plant.
Some years later I was leafing through a glossy magazine and there was THE restaurant. I can’t remember the name now but it actually was THE restaurant near Cannes which all the rich and famous frequent. So I sort of owe the French an apology as I’m sure in this country we would have been turned away at the door.

[Not so ancient mariner]

The point that some seem to have missed is that restaurants, cruise lines et al are perfectly entitled to require whatever dress code they wish (even jeans and T shirts being compulsory). And if you don't like it - simples - you go somewhere else, not make an exhibition of yourself by deliberately turning up in the 'wrong' attire and then creating about it.

[Mo2013]

Emjay, I would have thought that if the restaurant had been that bothered about the dress code they would not have allowed you to enter, let alone stick you behind a huge plant.

[Quizzical Bob]

Emjay, they might have thought that you were a plant. From Michelin, perhaps?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZvGxnmkzEc

[Mo2013]

The point that some seem to have missed is that restaurants, cruise lines et al are perfectly entitled to require whatever dress code they wish (even jeans and T shirts being compulsory). And if you don't like it - simples - you go somewhere else, not make an exhibition of yourself by deliberately turning up in the 'wrong' attire and then creating about it.

I've always thought that some people delight in flouting rules, they just can't - or rather won't - accept the rules. I expect it gives them some sort of power to metaphorically stick two fingers up at the 'rule-makers'. Dressing for dinner - surely a lot of it stems from what sort of job you are doing as well, a lot of people do manual work and will feel better after they have finished work, freshened up and changed. Generally speaking, most people don't dress differently for supper at home but if you are going to a land-based restaurant or on board a ship just dress appropriately instead of looking like you've just walked in from a building site.

[Frank Manning]

SDB
it is a well know affectation for so called 5* gaffes to try to pretend to be upmarket by saying that gentelmen should wear long trousers, tee shirts are not allowed etc, thus inventing a dress code to pander to the old fashioned slightly ,snobby patrons, who think they are a bit better than the bloke in shorts and whinge about it
a bit like PandO trying to pretend to be up market and to get away from the mass market cruise line it really is, by having a couple of night where people dress up for effect

Dress codes are for snobs and Mrs Buckets

Thank you Dark Knight, for your insight into this fascinating subject. You wear what you like, but dont label me a snob because I wear what I like.

[Dark Knight]

Frank
you wear what you like
and so will I
but I refuse to kow tow to people who resort to spouting the rules, when they use those rules to lie to make a point
dress codes are totally different to choosing what to wear because you are comfortable
please do not mistake one for the other.
if a restaurant has a minimum dress code, such as gentlemen have to wear long trousers and a shirt fine
but that does not mean I have to wear a tie and jacket
same with formal nights on ships NOWHERE does it say I have to adhere to wearing a tux. yet time and again people try to make out ,that people who wear what they want coz they are comfortable are sticking 2 fingers up at the rules
my humble suggestion is that those sad individuals read the rules and stop making up lies to suit their tired woeful outdated arguments