it's not just cruises where dress code is poor

[Quizzical Bob]

NOTSO
i have yet to see a proper explanation of what anticiapted ambience is? and have yet to see clothes make a jot of difference to any ambience ,anticiapted or not

it is a made up phrase used by marketing geeks to impress the gulible into thinking that a DJ and a nice dress makes a difference to a cruise

IMHO, it is a load of cobblers

.... and yet somebody, an inverted snob I would suggest, has convinced you DK that a dress code adds nothing to any occasion.

For me you are equally wrong as there are many events where the dress code makes all the difference albeit you do not need to be a part of it because you wouldn't fit in.

Really? Please elucidate.

[Dark Knight]

Moby

Nobody has convinced me that a dress code does make a difference and that is my point, nothing to do with inverted snobbery, you don't know how I dress on a cruise
as for your rather jumbled second point, are you saying I dont fit in to the cruise ethos? or that because I dont agree about dress codes ,I am les than people who dress up? and therefore don't deserve to fit in, it is a bit unclear??

my point has always been the same and yet not one of the dress code supporters has ever had the good manners to acknowledge my point

the prevailing dress code is not compulsory, so if people opt not to dress up, it is perfectly within the rules and there is no compunction for then to do so
yes there are conditions attached to not dressing up but dressing up is not compulsory....it is about choice and the clothes horses seem intent on denying the existance of that choice, to make their point , which is lies by ommision

[The Tinker]

NOTSO
i have yet to see a proper explanation of what anticiapted ambience is? and have yet to see clothes make a jot of difference to any ambience ,anticiapted or not

it is a made up phrase used by marketing geeks to impress the gulible into thinking that a DJ and a nice dress makes a difference to a cruise

IMHO, it is a load of cobblers

I agree with DK on this one - there is no real ambience relating to the clothes we wear.
On an average cruise - the majority of evenings are 'smart casual' with a few formal nights thrown in.
I enjoy my meal just as much (if not more) on the smart casual evenings as I feel more comfortable 'dressed down' than conforming to wearing long dress, high heels, etc etc

[Silver_Shiney]

I must say, though, that, much as I enjoy the atmosphere generated by a formal evening and all the "posh" clothes, I have to take my jacket off in the MDR because I'm just too hot wearing it. I know that's not done in the best of circles but if I'm there, it's no longer the best of circles...

[The Tinker]

On a lighter note - it is entertaining to see what some ladies wear (especially the older older ones) - please OH's be honest about how your lady looks before she leaves the cabin. I know this sounds bitchy but the other ladies on here will know what I mean!

[Silver_Shiney]

On a lighter note - it is entertaining to see what some ladies wear (especially the older older ones) - please OH's be honest about how your lady looks before she leaves the cabin. I know this sounds bitchy but the other ladies on here will know what I mean!

why, to see if anyone else wears a high dress and long heels....??

[Frank Manning]

Trouble is 'Tinks', if you love your wife, she looks stunning all the time, so why tell her otherwise.

[Silver_Shiney]

quite so

[The Tinker]

On a lighter note - it is entertaining to see what some ladies wear (especially the older older ones) - please OH's be honest about how your lady looks before she leaves the cabin. I know this sounds bitchy but the other ladies on here will know what I mean!

why, to see if anyone else wears a high dress and long heels....??

Just because you cross dress Shiney - doesn't mean we all have to

[The Tinker]

Trouble is 'Tinks', if you love your wife, she looks stunning all the time, so why tell her otherwise.

Bless you Frank - I'm sure your wife is stunning and how lucky she is to be married to you

[Silver_Shiney]

On a lighter note - it is entertaining to see what some ladies wear (especially the older older ones) - please OH's be honest about how your lady looks before she leaves the cabin. I know this sounds bitchy but the other ladies on here will know what I mean!

why, to see if anyone else wears a high dress and long heels....??

Just because you cross dress Shiney - doesn't mean we all have to

You've got me muxed ip with another forumeer, Tinks, I'm not the bloke who had to wear his wife's knickers because he couldn't find his shreddies in his suitcase.

[Quizzical Bob]

I must say, though, that, much as I enjoy the atmosphere generated by a formal evening and all the "posh" clothes, I have to take my jacket off in the MDR because I'm just too hot wearing it. I know that's not done in the best of circles but if I'm there, it's no longer the best of circles...

To me, wearing a jacket is like wearing an overcoat, very hot and restrictive. Add to that the fact that a dress shirt may have three layers of heavy cotton at the front and of course a collar and tie and I find the whole combination extremely uncomfortable. A dinner suit is an anachronism dating back to draughty Victorian houses in an English winter. If the ladies had to wear one then they would not last very long.

[Manoverboard]

Moby

Nobody has convinced me that a dress code does make a difference and that is my point, nothing to do with inverted snobbery, you don't know how I dress on a cruise
as for your rather jumbled second point, are you saying I dont fit in to the cruise ethos? or that because I dont agree about dress codes ,I am les than people who dress up? and therefore don't deserve to fit in, it is a bit unclear??

my point has always been the same and yet not one of the dress code supporters has ever had the good manners to acknowledge my point

the prevailing dress code is not compulsory, so if people opt not to dress up, it is perfectly within the rules and there is no compunction for then to do so
yes there are conditions attached to not dressing up but dressing up is not compulsory....it is about choice and the clothes horses seem intent on denying the existance of that choice, to make their point , which is lies by ommision

I am simply stating that I do personally believe and accept that the dress code DOES make a genune difference to SOME people and also that SOME people who oppose dress codes, and indeed those who support that same view, on a very regular basis may do so because they are inverted snobs.

There may of course be another explanation in your own case ... ?

[The Tinker]

Moby

Nobody has convinced me that a dress code does make a difference and that is my point, nothing to do with inverted snobbery, you don't know how I dress on a cruise
as for your rather jumbled second point, are you saying I dont fit in to the cruise ethos? or that because I dont agree about dress codes ,I am les than people who dress up? and therefore don't deserve to fit in, it is a bit unclear??

my point has always been the same and yet not one of the dress code supporters has ever had the good manners to acknowledge my point

the prevailing dress code is not compulsory, so if people opt not to dress up, it is perfectly within the rules and there is no compunction for then to do so
yes there are conditions attached to not dressing up but dressing up is not compulsory....it is about choice and the clothes horses seem intent on denying the existance of that choice, to make their point , which is lies by ommision

I am simply stating that I do personally believe and accept that the dress code DOES make a genune difference to SOME people and also that SOME people who oppose dress codes, and indeed those who support that same view, on a very regular basis may do so because they are inverted snobs.

There may of course be another explanation in your own case ... ?

I kinda wonder if it is because we have been brought up in an era where 'equality and diversity' are major factors in our lifestyle. Your views would be welcomed.

[Mo2013]

Inverted snobs? These people have no sense of style for an occasion, and given half a chance they would turn up dressed goodness knows how. Certainly their stance is rather aggressive - they refuse to go with the flow and no-one is going to make them; and they appear to take great delight in rebelling too. Look at me, I refuse to look like the rest of you ! I wouldn't even have an alternative dining venue to allow them to opt out. Why don't they go on a cruise where no-one cares a damn how they dress instead of looking down their noses at the majority of people who respect the suggested code. Yes, I think inverted snobs is a good description.

[Quizzical Bob]

Inverted snobs? These people have no sense of style for an occasion, and given half a chance they would turn up dressed goodness knows how. Certainly their stance is rather aggressive - they refuse to go with the flow and no-one is going to make them; and they appear to take great delight in rebelling too. Look at me, I refuse to look like the rest of you ! I wouldn't even have an alternative dining venue to allow them to opt out. Why don't they go on a cruise where no-one cares a damn how they dress instead of looking down their noses at the majority of people who respect the suggested code. Yes, I think inverted snobs is a good description.

That is an extremely old-fashioned point of view, if I may say so. The world is not filled with obedient sheep, thank goodness.

[The Tinker]

Inverted snobs? These people have no sense of style for an occasion, and given half a chance they would turn up dressed goodness knows how. Certainly their stance is rather aggressive - they refuse to go with the flow and no-one is going to make them; and they appear to take great delight in rebelling too. Look at me, I refuse to look like the rest of you ! I wouldn't even have an alternative dining venue to allow them to opt out. Why don't they go on a cruise where no-one cares a damn how they dress instead of looking down their noses at the majority of people who respect the suggested code. Yes, I think inverted snobs is a good description.

That is an extremely old-fashioned point of view, if I may say so. The world is not filled with obedient sheep, thank goodness.

Well said QB - we shared a table on our last cruise with a delightful couple who informed us that there were here for a well earned rest, would not be dressing up and attending the formal meals, as they ran their own businesses throughout the year and just wanted to chill out. We respected their wishes and it did not matter an iota that we spent two nights a la table for deux instead of 4.

[Manoverboard]

" The world is not filled with obedient sheep, thank goodness. "

Indeed so but it is, I would suggest, partly filled with ageing rebels who have themselves learned tolerance of the values of others even though such values were once totally rejected by those same people ... me included.

The offspring of those rebels however are far more selfish and have yet to even consider the thoughts and needs of others, just their own. Not all but far too many it seems, such views are frequently seen on these boards.

Like I said earlier ' inverted snobbery ' in DK's case perhaps but if not then what would the correct description be.

ps ... ' enlightened ' is NOT acceptable.

[david63]

my point has always been the same and yet not one of the dress code supporters has ever had the good manners to acknowledge my point

the prevailing dress code is not compulsory, so if people opt not to dress up, it is perfectly within the rules and there is no compunction for then to do so
yes there are conditions attached to not dressing up but dressing up is not compulsory....it is about choice and the clothes horses seem intent on denying the existance of that choice, to make their point , which is lies by ommision

I have never denied that the dress code is not compulsory in some areas of P&O ships and have always accepted that that is P&O policy - whether I agree with it or not is a totally different debate.

[Mo2013]

"The world is not filled with obedient sheep, thank goodness." And that is, if I may say so, why society is like it is today. It is not even a question of obedience in the strictest sense of the word, it is more to do with attitude, it is about people who, with no sense of responsibility whatsoever, will do what they like, when they like, to whoever they like.

By the way, I'm coming up for 67 years old, and I have old fashioned values and respect and I do remember a time when people weren't quite so selfish, self-centred and bolshy.

[Quizzical Bob]

"The world is not filled with obedient sheep, thank goodness." And that is, if I may say so, why society is like it is today. It is not even a question of obedience in the strictest sense of the word, it is more to do with attitude, it is about people who, with no sense of responsibility whatsoever, will do what they like, when they like, to whoever they like.

By the way, I'm coming up for 67 years old, and I have old fashioned values and respect and I do remember a time when people weren't quite so selfish, self-centred and bolshy.

Mo, I must live in a different part of the world to you. I'm over 64 myself but I don't come across the attitudes that you unfortunately seem to meet.

[Romig1]

"The world is not filled with obedient sheep, thank goodness." And that is, if I may say so, why society is like it is today. It is not even a question of obedience in the strictest sense of the word, it is more to do with attitude, it is about people who, with no sense of responsibility whatsoever, will do what they like, when they like, to whoever they like.

By the way, I'm coming up for 67 years old, and I have old fashioned values and respect and I do remember a time when people weren't quite so selfish, self-centred and bolshy.

Mo, I must live in a different part of the world to you. I'm over 64 myself but I don't come across the attitudes that you unfortunately seem to meet.

QB. Mo lives not too far from me.... I'll say no more!

[Mo2013]

QB, it is all around us every day, on the news, in car parks, shopping malls, restaurants, on holiday, etc. society is chocabloc with me, me, me people who care nothing for others, couldn't care less about consideration, peace and quiet, manners, and even ambience on a ship. Why would a cruiseline put what they do about the suggested dress code if it didn't matter on some level? But yet there are those who are happy to go on a cruise, whilst pouring scorn on what the majority find to be an integral part of life on board. When I go to my local restaurant, people have so dumbed their dress down that I feel 'overdone', but I shouldn't feel like that, and I didn't used to feel like that because it certainly didn't used to be like that.

PS Romig: living near Cleckhuddersfax has nowt to do wi it

[david63]

The key word in your last post Mo was "suggested" dress code - and that is all it is (for some areas of a ship) whether we like or not.

[Quizzical Bob]

No, when I feel out of place there's usually a good reason for it. As I get older I am gradually coming to realise that this world is not for me any more, but I must say that I don't meet the sort of behaviour that you are describing. We have done many cruises and I have never seen anybody who did not adhere to the prevailing dress code and I have eaten in restaurants all over the world and have never seen anybody inappropriately dressed.