Cunard remove Rolf Harris paintings

[Mo2013]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/1069071 ... x_charges/

What happened to innocent until proven guilty ?

[david63]

Not necessarily anything to do with innocent until proven guilty.

He may have asked/suggested that they be removed or it may be as a precaution against theft and/or damage.

[Dark Knight]

should we take ours down, in case the neighbours get upset?

[Mo2013]

Not necessarily anything to do with innocent until proven guilty.

He may have asked/suggested that they be removed or it may be as a precaution against theft and/or damage.

I got the impression that it was Cunard who thought it was 'appropriate' to remove them, rather than Rolf Harris asking/suggesting .....

[suespud]

Never thought about removing mine and wont be.
Whatever the outcome is, I love the piece of art we have by him and it will be staying put.

[Ray Scully]

should we take ours down, in case the neighbours get upset?

[emjay45]

Didn't Buckingham Palace give his portrait of the Queen back to the BBC who then mislaid it? I thought that was awful. No he hasn't been found guilty yet.

[Not so ancient mariner]

What an artist may - or may not - have done, has for me no bearing on the artistic merit (or otherwise) of his/her work.

[Mo2013]

Didn't Buckingham Palace give his portrait of the Queen back to the BBC who then mislaid it? I thought that was awful. No he hasn't been found guilty yet.

Emjay, Yes I understand the portrait of the Queen had been removed, but I didn't know the Beeb had subsequently mislaid it. What are they going to do if he is found not guilty?

[david63]

Not necessarily anything to do with innocent until proven guilty.

He may have asked/suggested that they be removed or it may be as a precaution against theft and/or damage.

I got the impression that it was Cunard who thought it was 'appropriate' to remove them, rather than Rolf Harris asking/suggesting .....

Although that was only what was reported in the media and as we all know the media do not always tell us the whole story - just the bits that sell newspapers.

[The Tinker]

What an artist may - or may not - have done, has for me no bearing on the artistic merit (or otherwise) of his/her work.

I disagree - there is no way I could purchase 'art' if I knew the artist had committed sex offences against a child - I think the thought of them creating their art and how their mind worked would make me feel sick!

[david63]

What an artist may - or may not - have done, has for me no bearing on the artistic merit (or otherwise) of his/her work.

I disagree - there is no way I could purchase 'art' if I knew the artist had committed sex offences against a child - I think the thought of them creating their art and how their mind worked would make me feel sick!

Is it not the case that most (all?) of the "Old Masters" had a somewhat murky past with "skeletons in the cupboard"?

[The Tinker]

What an artist may - or may not - have done, has for me no bearing on the artistic merit (or otherwise) of his/her work.

I disagree - there is no way I could purchase 'art' if I knew the artist had committed sex offences against a child - I think the thought of them creating their art and how their mind worked would make me feel sick!

Is it not the case that most (all?) of the "Old Masters" had a somewhat murky past with "skeletons in the cupboard"?

Not being an art buff - can you give me some examples, please?

[Wobgoescruising]

I'm guessing we buy paintings we like, not because of who painted them. There are many Rolf Harris paintings I like, we have a few prints which will be staying put whatever the outcome of this case. None of us know what goes on behind closed doors and I bet we've all got books, cd's, films etc by 'famous' people who have things going on that would change our opinion about them if we ever found out. I think In the case of Rolf Harris his career is over whatever the outcome which will probably see the end of Whitewall Galleries anyway as he is a huge part of the business.

[Manoverboard]

Van Gogh was a violent self abusing hooligan ... that's it, his pictures are coming down for a start.

[Romig1]

Do I have to chuck out my "Jim'll Fix It" medal???

[The Tinker]

Do I have to chuck out my "Jim'll Fix It" medal???

I would - just think where it might have been

[Holiday Planner]

There were Rolf Harris paintings for sale in the Gallery on our first 2 cruises. Before we went on Ventura 3 weeks ago, I said to Andrew that I bet there wouldn't be any this time ... I was right!

[Dark Knight]

time for some art purchaes me thinks
we had our eye on a couple of originals to go with the ones we already have

I think there will be a bargain to be had....e bay anyone

[Capt Black]

What an artist may - or may not - have done, has for me no bearing on the artistic merit (or otherwise) of his/her work.

I disagree - there is no way I could purchase 'art' if I knew the artist had committed sex offences against a child - I think the thought of them creating their art and how their mind worked would make me feel sick!

Is it not the case that most (all?) of the "Old Masters" had a somewhat murky past with "skeletons in the cupboard"?

Not being an art buff - can you give me some examples, please?

Not quite the example that David meant, and maybe not therefore the sort of answer you're looking for, but Pete Townshend (The Who) is/was on the sex offender's register after accepting a caution for downloading child pornography several years ago. Didn't throw me old Who albums out , and he's still touring with Roger Daltrey.

[Mo2013]

Pete Townshend claimed he was doing research and he was only given a police caution.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... andal.html

[Onelife]

Didn't Buckingham Palace give his portrait of the Queen back to the BBC who then mislaid it? I thought that was awful. No he hasn't been found guilty yet.

Emjay, Yes I understand the portrait of the Queen had been removed, but I didn't know the Beeb had subsequently mislaid it. What are they going to do if he is found not guilty?

Hi Mo

I would imagine they’ll increases in value as if found guilty he won’t be painting anymore for a while.
I don’t feel any sympathy for child abusers and if he is found guilty he should go down like the rest who succumbed to temptation with or without the victims consent.

Regards

Keith

[Silver_Shiney]

Not quite the example that David meant, and maybe not therefore the sort of answer you're looking for, but Pete Townshend (The Who) is/was on the sex offender's register after accepting a caution for downloading child pornography several years ago. Didn't throw me old Who albums out , and he's still touring with Roger Daltrey.

As an aside, I saw a documentary on John Entwistle a while back. Every man and his dog appeared in front of the camera to praise the Who's bass man - except Daltrey...

[Mo2013]

It's fascinating to see how people react to these stories/allegations and the judgements they make. I am a fan of Michael Jackson and have seen him every time he played in England. I befriended a woman on holiday who was also a fan. When the first allegations about him and Jordy Chandler broke, she asked me what I thought. She was convinced of his innocence whereas I didn't know the man, I only knew Michael Jackson, the performer. I said I could not possibly know for sure whether or not he was guilty of child abuse. She never spoke to me again. There will be those who will be convinced of someone's guilt, and those who will give others the benefit of the doubt.

[david63]

... and those who will give others the benefit of the doubt.

a.k.a. innocent until proven guilty