it's not just cruises where dress code is poor

[Not so ancient mariner]

We're back to the respect thing again SS. I think we are very much into 'me,me,me and s*d everybody else'. Maybe I am old fashioned but it's not something I like or subscribe to.

So... When you dress up are you doing to please yourself or for somebody else's benefit? It might be called vanity.

I do it because it is expected of me as part of the general ambience of the event. Someone has decided that a particular dress code is appropriate for the occasion, so I respect that decision.

Exactly!

[Not so ancient mariner]

Quite right. But in a restaurant which did not have a dress code?

Then certain minimum standards should apply. Many a beach side cafe (which tend not to be the most up-market of places) has signs such as No shirt = No service

[Quizzical Bob]

We're back to the respect thing again SS. I think we are very much into 'me,me,me and s*d everybody else'. Maybe I am old fashioned but it's not something I like or subscribe to.

So... When you dress up are you doing to please yourself or for somebody else's benefit? It might be called vanity.

I do it because it is expected of me as part of the general ambience of the event. Someone has decided that a particular dress code is appropriate for the occasion, so I respect that decision.

And casual night in a P&O MDR?

( Yes, I know the suggested code is a minimum but don't you think it spoils the ambience of the evening when somebody comes in dressed up to the nines when everybody else is in Hawaiian shirts and Hula-Hula dresses?)

[Silver_Shiney]

We're back to the respect thing again SS. I think we are very much into 'me,me,me and s*d everybody else'. Maybe I am old fashioned but it's not something I like or subscribe to.

So... When you dress up are you doing to please yourself or for somebody else's benefit? It might be called vanity.

I do it because it is expected of me as part of the general ambience of the event. Someone has decided that a particular dress code is appropriate for the occasion, so I respect that decision.

And casual night in a P&O MDR?

( Yes, I know the suggested code is a minimum but don't you think it spoils the ambience of the evening when somebody comes in dressed up to the nines when everybody else is in Hawaiian shirts and Hula-Hula dresses?)

I should have thought that, if you were the sort of person who respected the code to dress up to the nines on a formal night or other appropriate occasion, you'd realise that that sort of dress would be out of place at an event where Hawaiian shirts were de rigeur.

Quite right. But in a restaurant which did not have a dress code?

Then I would expect traditional values to be observed - ie, you wear clean, smart clothes.

[Manoverboard]

... and casual night in a P&O MDR?

( Yes, I know the suggested code is a minimum but don't you think it spoils the ambience of the evening when somebody comes in dressed up to the nines when everybody else is in Hawaiian shirts and Hula-Hula dresses?)

Nope, if that's what they wish to dress like then so be it ... as long as we are not expected to look the same or listen to them tut tutting cos we are not meeting ' their ' expectations.

[arcadialover]

Yesterday I saw a massive funeral take place and all the mourners were black. What struck me was how smartly they were dressed, there must have been over a 100 people and all the men were in dark suits and wearing hats and the ladies in lovely dresses, some with jackets, but all wearing hats.

[Mo2013]

Some people have no sense of what is appropriate. My son's wife is African and when she goes to church, she dresses up, the other ladies do too, think the caribbean ladies we've all seen on our cruises. It is a respect for the occasion, they are going to God's house. Dressing in black to attend a funeral is respect for the dead, who wants to look like a Christmas tree when someone has passed away? Does anyone remember Whitsuntide and getting new clothes? People today don't care about anything like that.

[arcadialover]

My grandparents always dressed up when they went shopping, my grandad never left the house without a tie, even when coming for tea with us. We buried him in his a suit a few years ago.

[Dark Knight]

hey ho peeps

still not buying into it. if I decide to opt out formal night and eat elsewhere , it is my choice and I dont give a jot, what anyone thinks.
I do not dress to impress or conform, I dress to be comfortable and to be relaxed

if that makes me an inverted snob....wooo bloody hoo, it also makes me an individual and not a gulible sheep, who blindly follows the dress code, coz they were told it contributes to the ambience

the dress code is optional...so any other argument is moot

[Silver_Shiney]

hey ho peeps

still not buying into it. if I decide to opt out formal night and eat elsewhere , it is my choice and I dont give a jot, what anyone thinks.
I do not dress to impress or conform, I dress to be comfortable and to be relaxed

if that makes me an inverted snob....wooo bl**dy hoo, it also makes me an individual and not a gulible sheep, who blindly follows the dress code, coz they were told it contributes to the ambience

the dress code is optional...so any other argument is moot

Hi, DK, how's Belgium?

I have a suspicion we're talking at cross purposes, mate. Of course it's your choice to go elsewhere for a meal if you don't want to don a tux and join in the formal night in the MDR (or equivalent for land-based restaurants). My understanding was that we were discussing whether or not diners should enter a restaurant, wherever, dressed very casually when the tone of the location and/or event would suggest otherwise.

Have I got hold of the wrong end of the stick again?

[oldbluefox]

If you have, SS, that makes two of us!!

[Dark Knight]

SS
It is up the venue to set and impose any dress code
it is not up to other patrons to decide what is right and wrong, if i am allowed into the venue in my jeans or whatever, then it is no ones business but my own
and i take exeption to anyone trying to make it their business and trying to tell me what is and is not acceptable

if people want to judge me by what i wear fine,,,,just makes them snobs...., as they are mostly 10 bob millionaries and vain popinjays

[arcadialover]

Just a thought, how would people feel if the waiters were dressed very casually i.e in shorts and T shirts in the MDR on a ship or a hotel restaurant in the evening?

[Mo2013]

Quote "I don't give a jot what anyone thinks." I think that says it all really, about cruising, about society in general. Whoopy bl***dy do". Yep, that says it all. That attitude is why society is like it is.

[Manoverboard]

As in selfish and self opinionated I have thus far assumed, Mo ?

To DK I would only say ... it's a bl^^dy discussion old chap but if one cannot accept even implied criticism then one shouldn't criticise the values of others on an everyday basis ... should one.

ps ... I am neither a 10 bob millionaire nor a popinjay, vain or otherwise.

[Mo2013]

Having thought about it, I've had a lightbulb moment that some comments are made simply with the objective of winding people up for the sake of it. Mmmm note to self - maybe I won't fall into that trap in the future because some things are just not worth a response. #living and learning. Footie looming -

[HK phooey]

Come on you scousers

[Quizzical Bob]

Just a thought, how would people feel if the waiters were dressed very casually i.e in shorts and T shirts in the MDR on a ship or a hotel restaurant in the evening?

I wouldn't mind at all. Indeed on the tropical evenings they look very smart indeed. The smartest waiters I ever saw were in the Maldives wearing their national dress. Think white sarongs and yellow pirate headscarves.

[Quizzical Bob]

Having thought about it, I've had a lightbulb moment that some comments are made simply with the objective of winding people up for the sake of it. Mmmm note to self - maybe I won't fall into that trap in the future because some things are just not worth a response. #living and learning. Footie looming -

Not to wind anybody up but rather to question established conventions.

[Dark Knight]

moby
if anyone were in a position to critcise, I would hearlty accept it, but as there is no one ,there is nothing to say is there?
but as the venue set the dress code and enforce it, then nobody is any position to criticise anyone for the way the dress, given that the venue in question has allowed them in, who on here is in a postition to judge a person by the way they dress....absolutley nobody

as far as cruising goes , it is a floating hotel, nothing more, and again nobody aboard the ship is in any postition to criticise what I wear on my holiday.
the dress code is an affectation and optional

so you can all huff and puff and make stupid comments about society and selfishness but it pure snobbery to look down on a person for the way they dress

so yes, I am happy to say I could not care less was people think, as they know nothing and are in no position to commnet on me or the way I dress

[Manoverboard]

My error, it wasn't a discussion after all.

[Not so ancient mariner]

so you can all huff and puff and make stupid comments about society and selfishness but it pure snobbery to look down on a person for the way they dress

so yes, I am happy to say I could not care less was people think, as they know nothing and are in no position to commnet on me or the way I dress

...... and do you adopt the same attitude when going for a job interview?

Just curious.

[Quizzical Bob]

so you can all huff and puff and make stupid comments about society and selfishness but it pure snobbery to look down on a person for the way they dress

so yes, I am happy to say I could not care less was people think, as they know nothing and are in no position to commnet on me or the way I dress

...... and do you adopt the same attitude when going for a job interview?

Just curious.

I hold them, I don't sit them.

[Dark Knight]

its a only a discussion when it suits people
when they are shown to be lying by omission or just plain wrong about dress codes
its a witch hunt of anyone who opposes their views

well tough, unless you or anyone else is paying for my cruise or you or anyone else sets the rules then it is your opinion only
which btw is no more or less valid than mine

as usual with the clothes horses they automatically assume that anyone with a contrary view is some sort of chav or as a certain rather idiotic poster put it sticking 2 fingers up at everyone else

not one of you is fit to judge anyone else based on what they wear and to think you are ,is vanity beyond measure and as usual you have all assumed , wrongly , how I dress on floating 3 star hotel...coz none of you have the good manners to actually ask, you just assume......

pompous snobbey and nothing more....

[Dark Knight]

NOTSO

The last 2 job interviews I have had were as a resulted of me being head hunted by agencies and the meetings were held over a meal out in a nice bistro/bar
when you reach a certain level, you dont have panel interviews and silly apptitude tests and dress like a school kid in a uniform
you are head hunted and have a civilised meeting

honestly it is the 21st century not he 1950's