Indicators - what are they for ????

[jay-ell71]

Brilliant DK. You can be safe in the knowledge that I wont be around to know how you feel about your driving when you reach 70. But of course by then you will not be required to drive, the car will do it for you.

In fact I would be happy to take an "old persons" driving test, including the written part, if there was one, but there isn't. What there is, are competent drivers and not so competent drivers.

[Dark Knight]

Jay
perhaps you should do as Frank does and take an advanced test
and let us all know how you go on
as you said yourself , you aren't bothered about doing it , so why not?

shall I await your results with baited breath? or will you just not bother ?

[jay-ell71]

Advanced test? Is that an "old persons" test?

[Delboy]

Dellboy
I looked at you posts, thanks
I found the same research as well
the point being that we all know yoofs drive like muppets and the statistics bear that out
but a person who is 70 plus could have took their test 50 years ago and they still believe that they are as good now as then
which to anyone with a brain cell is preposterous, as with any debate that has an ageist slant ,the regular oldies come out and defend their position based on nothing more than the fact they cannot accept they are old and their faculties have diminished over time
so we hear more and more outlandish reasoning to defend the indefensible
so to me ,testing of people over 70 should be a requirement every 5 years or so, as should eye tests as well
now I know many on here will go off on one again and try to prove they are immortal but the reality is I bet quite a few of these people wouldn't pass the theory test today, let alone the rest
so whilst I can accept some people such as Frank, can and do regularly check their skills, the vast majority don't and refuse to accept that their skills are not what they once were

and to answer the others, yes ,when I am no longer fit to drive, I will have the good sense and honesty to stop driving, I bet the same cannot be said for you, as proven by some of the answers here

I don't know if you included me of those who will no longer know when they are fit to drive, I can assure you I will, but even although I am approaching 75 that day has not arrived yet.

Yes I am one of those people who took my driving test over 50 years ago, first car was when I was aged 20 purchased new from Fords, who I then worked for. Would even go as far as to say, I am a better driver now than then, I certainly don't drive as fast, although don't have any difficulty handling the maximum speed on a busy motorway. Those days my object when driving a car was to get from A to B in the fastest possible time. I am certainly more considerate for other drivers than I was then, don't rant and rave at other drivers as much, and a much calmer driver these days. From your posts you seem to be a person who gets worked up, and rants at others very easy, just hope you are more considerate when driving and not one given to road rage.

As somebody who wears glasses, I regularly have an eye test, if you are going to have regular tests for car drivers, I don't think they should be restricted to those over 70 they should be for all drivers, age does not determine how good a driver a person is.

Like you for a large part of my working life I used to drive hundreds of miles per week for a living. Of course I would not deny my faculties or reactions are as good as they were 50 years ago, so I adjust how I drive accordingly, but it does not automatically mean, I am not as good a driver as I was then, or as good as those who may be younger. It just means I Personally have had over 50 years to learn and enhance my skills.

Of course I do realise not all 75 years olds or even younger are as fit in mind or body as myself or have the same driving skills.

[jay-ell71]

Thank you Delboy. I think that says it.

[Dark Knight]

Dellboy
you seem to think that because I express an opinion based on experience that I am a road hog subject to road rage
perhaps if you had asked rather than assumed, you would have a clearer picture
like Frank ,I too have taken and passed the advanced driving test, taken over a dozen driving courses ranging from skid pan training to protective and evasive driving, done by ex police and armed services
I would also point to a long held clean licence ,to boot

it is as it always is on here, that as soon as you mention anything related to age or anyone past retirement, that the old people just cannot accept the march of time

you comments MAY be considered by some, that you are typically an old fogey, who dawdles along in the middle lane oblivious to the world around you, because you have all the time in the world and you could be a hazard on the road but doubtless you would not accept that, just as I don't accept your ill formed opinion of my driving
perhaps that is me adopting your stance of making a sweeping statement without any knowledge
which again is perfectly normal for the older folk on here

my point again , is that older drivers should retake their test every 5 years over the age of 70
hardly euthanasia , is it ?

[david63]

my point again , is that older drivers should retake their test every 5 years over the age of 70

I would not disagree in principle with that statement but with the proviso that it is an appropriate test - the full driving test is possibly a bit OTT.

If this was to be introduced then there should also be tests at 40, 50 and 60 - why single out those at 70? I suspect that there are many drivers in the 40 - 50 age group who would fail the eyesight test as it is a known fact that eyesight deteriorates rapidly when in both your 40's and 60's

[Dancing Queen]

[quote="Dark Knight"


it is as it always is on here, that as soon as you mention anything related to age or anyone past retirement, that the old people just cannot accept the march of time

In fairness DK it is usually you who brings up 'age related' things, you seem to think that people over a certain age shouldn't be entitled to a state pension, now in your opinion that same age group are not safe to be on the road and should be forced to retake their driving test, maybe you haven't said that in so many words but it is certainly how many interpret it, one can't help thinking that you rather enjoy getting the 'wooden spoon' out and taking a 'pop' at older people

I would assume you have parents who fall into the category of 'older people' what do they think about your views on the older generation ?? but I guess you wouldn't be quite so rude to them.

[Stephen]

David, would you mind typing that out again for me but with larger text

To be honest, I think if any of us had to take the driving test again (me included) the roads would be almost deserted. I am however fully in favour of a basic test for people over a 'certain' age for their own and other peoples safety. Fortunately my father who is no longer with us knew when it was time to hang up his driving gloves and pass the baton over to my mother...thank god, as he use to scare the life out of me.

[Dark Knight]

[quote="Dark Knight"


it is as it always is on here, that as soon as you mention anything related to age or anyone past retirement, that the old people just cannot accept the march of time

In fairness DK it is usually you who brings up 'age related' things, you seem to think that people over a certain age shouldn't be entitled to a state pension, now in your opinion that same age group are not safe to be on the road and should be forced to retake their driving test, maybe you haven't said that in so many words but it is certainly how many interpret it, one can't help thinking that you rather enjoy getting the 'wooden spoon' out and taking a 'pop' at older people

I would assume you have parents who fall into the category of 'older people' what do they think about your views on the older generation ?? but I guess you wouldn't be quite so rude to them.

Jo
my father is 79 riddled with cancer, has diabetes and takes enough drugs to sedate a small village, he has trouble walking, trouble with most day to day activities, to be honest and is about to go into a hospice
Guess what?, he doesn't drive anymore, as he was honest enough to admit he was no longer fit to drive and could be a danger to others

As to the wooden spoon etc, I have come to find that on this site someone always bites

[Dancing Queen]

Some of the worst drivers I have come across ( excluding White van drivers etc ) are the young mums who probably only ever get behind the wheel during school holidays to take their 'little darlings' somewhere, many of them shouldn't be allowed on the roads but it's ok because they fit into the right age group.

I would like to think that I will know when to call it a day, I certainly don't have the same confidence on the roads that I had 30 years ago but I put that down to so many idiots driving around and having to anticipate what they might do next, I don't profess to be a perfect driver but I do consider myself a good driver and also a safe one which doesn't mean I tootle along at 30 mph, I also accept that my reactions would not be the same or as quick as they were 30 years ago but I drive to the road conditions, my life no longer revolves around having to get from A to B as quickly as possible, I always smile when I see someone go speeding past me .. do they really get there any quicker ?? I usually find as you reach the next junction they are just a couple of cars in front of you so why speed !!! oh and don't even get me started on motorway drivers who consider it their right to change lanes knowing damn well those coming up behind will have to brake to accommodate them

[Dancing Queen]

[quote="Dark Knight"


it is as it always is on here, that as soon as you mention anything related to age or anyone past retirement, that the old people just cannot accept the march of time

In fairness DK it is usually you who brings up 'age related' things, you seem to think that people over a certain age shouldn't be entitled to a state pension, now in your opinion that same age group are not safe to be on the road and should be forced to retake their driving test, maybe you haven't said that in so many words but it is certainly how many interpret it, one can't help thinking that you rather enjoy getting the 'wooden spoon' out and taking a 'pop' at older people

I would assume you have parents who fall into the category of 'older people' what do they think about your views on the older generation ?? but I guess you wouldn't be quite so rude to them.

Jo
my father is 79 riddled with cancer, has diabetes and takes enough drugs to sedate a small village, he has trouble walking, trouble with most day to day activities, to be honest and is about to go into a hospice
Guess what?, he doesn't drive anymore, as he was honest enough to admit he was no longer fit to drive and could be a danger to others

As to the wooden spoon etc, I have come to find that on this site someone always bites

I'm really sorry to hear that about your dad DK and all credit to him that he is an honest person, my FIL would never accept that he should have given up driving and personally I think he should have been forced to not only for his own safety but for that of others, had he had to retake his test then I'm 100% sure that the decision would have been taken away from him.

I'm not against anyone over a certain age being asked to take another test, maybe they should make it compulsory that everyone has to do it every 10 years regardless of age but would it keep the idiots off the roads, I doubt it there will always be those who don't care whether they have a license or are taxed and insured or even have a roadworthy vehicle, unfortunately we the motorist seem to see it daily but the 'boys in blue' never seem to be around !!!

I think you will find there will always be people who 'bite' on any forum ( myself included )

[Dark Knight]

Jo
its just my humour, sadly nothing more, it is not an attack on old people






well maybe just one or two

[Delboy]

Dellboy
you seem to think that because I express an opinion based on experience that I am a road hog subject to road rage
perhaps if you had asked rather than assumed, you would have a clearer picture
like Frank ,I too have taken and passed the advanced driving test, taken over a dozen driving courses ranging from skid pan training to protective and evasive driving, done by ex police and armed services
I would also point to a long held clean licence ,to boot

it is as it always is on here, that as soon as you mention anything related to age or anyone past retirement, that the old people just cannot accept the march of time

you comments MAY be considered by some, that you are typically an old fogey, who dawdles along in the middle lane oblivious to the world around you, because you have all the time in the world and you could be a hazard on the road but doubtless you would not accept that, just as I don't accept your ill formed opinion of my driving
perhaps that is me adopting your stance of making a sweeping statement without any knowledge
which again is perfectly normal for the older folk on here

my point again , is that older drivers should retake their test every 5 years over the age of 70
hardly euthanasia , is it ?

DK
Just to help you, I repeat what I said about rage

"From your posts you seem to be a person who gets worked up, and rants at others very easy, just hope you are more considerate when driving and not one given to road rage.

Where in the above statement does it actually accuse you of being a road hog.

We can all assume, and make sweeping statements, but you do seem to be a person who likes baiting others especially those of a certain age. Very often it's not what you say but the way you say it, you do come across at times as being somebody who likes to try and belittle those of a certain age and those who may have a different opinion to yourself. If you keep making sweeping statements about these people, then surely you cannot be surprised when they come back at you.

As for tests for drivers, as I have already posted, I think there should be regular tests for all drivers, irrespective of age, age has no relevance in determining whether or not a person is a competent driver.

By the way I also have a long clean license.