Life After Brexit

[Ray Scully]

I reckon Ray is an avid Mirror reader, that impartial,unbiased seeker of truth and justice, just guessing mind.

Whatever made you come to that that conclusion Screwy. I am now concerned with your judgement and this will no doubt effect how I interpret your posts in future.

[Gill W]

You forgot Bojo Merv, but yes.

No Ray. Bojo is only trying to deliver the outcome of the referendum. The others caused it.

I think history will prove that Bojo's decision (the two letters) as to which side to support was a main determinant in the outcome of the referendum. He really is a latter day pied piper. Anyways I shall now be keeping my powder dry for a while.

Ray, just in case it's needed after 1st January, here's your bingo card

[screwy]

To be honest Ra, I really don’t give a toss. After some of the histrionics on here from certain members who quite clearly believe and haven’t minded saying so that they are right and everyone else is wrong, aka, long live the Eu.! Well I’m just along for the ride and the laughs...if anyone is not happy with that I’m really not arsed.

[Ray Scully]

TBH promises made at the referendum were not relevant to most leavers, IMO, we just felt that this was most likely the last opportunity we would be given in our lifetime to try and extricate ourselves from the EU. It is the remainers who keep on about these promises, I always expected that there was likely to be an economic downside to leaving, BUT this would be a price worth paying in the long run.

Worth paying for who John, the same old suspects? those at the bottom of the pile who were most disadvantaged by the 'bank crisis' those hardest hit by the job losses resulting from Coved. I know that me and my family will undoubtedly come through whatever happens relatively unscathed, but that does not make me any less fearful and concerned for those who don't.

No matter how our economy performs there will always be some who are at the bottom of the ladder. It is the responsibility of govt to ensure that they do not suffer as a result and I have always felt that a Tory govt manages the economy far better than labour, and even if the gap from top to bottom grows, everyone is better off than under a Labour govt.

Well i suppose that is one point of view, I'me on the bus Jack ring the bell, however It is heartening and inspiring the way communities have been pulling together to help and support each other this year.

[Ray Scully]

No Ray. Bojo is only trying to deliver the outcome of the referendum. The others caused it.

I think history will prove that Bojo's decision (the two letters) as to which side to support was a main determinant in the outcome of the referendum. He really is a latter day pied piper. Anyways I shall now be keeping my powder dry for a while.

Ray, just in case it's needed after 1st January, here's your bingo card

[towny44]

Worth paying for who John, the same old suspects? those at the bottom of the pile who were most disadvantaged by the 'bank crisis' those hardest hit by the job losses resulting from Coved. I know that me and my family will undoubtedly come through whatever happens relatively unscathed, but that does not make me any less fearful and concerned for those who don't.

No matter how our economy performs there will always be some who are at the bottom of the ladder. It is the responsibility of govt to ensure that they do not suffer as a result and I have always felt that a Tory govt manages the economy far better than labour, and even if the gap from top to bottom grows, everyone is better off than under a Labour govt.

Well i suppose that is one point of view, I'me on the bus Jack ring the bell, however It is heartening and inspiring the way communities have been pulling together to help and support each other this year.

I do take exception to that comment Ray my posts have been in relation to a general economic debate, primarily related to Brexit.
As far as the covid crisis is concerned I dont believe anyone can criticise the govt for the efforts they have made to try and alleviate the hardships that people are suffering which are entirely due to the pandemic. To try and mix the 2 issues just shows how the left are always determined to find any way they can to blame hardship issues on right wing policies.

[Manoverboard]

Because you were too young to remember what it was like pre EU ?

It'll be a ball, you'll learn to love it

ps ... fresh seafood for everybody I say not just the French

I'm not sure how old you think I am, but I'm definitely old enough to remember before the UK joined the EU

The thing is, the world has changed in the last 50 years, and I personally think it is neither desirable or feasible to go back to a time that people only remember with rose coloured spectacles..

I do not consider this to be a backward step at all Gill, far from it I look forward to the future with far more enthusiasm that I would if we were still in the EU.

Yes, I do too and more to the point so do our kids ...

ps .... Gills's older that we thought

[Manoverboard]

Well i suppose that is one point of view, I'me on the bus Jack ring the bell, however It is heartening and inspiring the way communities have been pulling together to help and support each other this year.

Very heart warming ... in spite of the crooked Mayor of Liverpool stealing from his Community

[screwy]

Allegedly.....but yeah.

[screwy]

I'm not sure how old you think I am, but I'm definitely old enough to remember before the UK joined the EU

The thing is, the world has changed in the last 50 years, and I personally think it is neither desirable or feasible to go back to a time that people only remember with rose coloured spectacles..

I do not consider this to be a backward step at all Gill, far from it I look forward to the future with far more enthusiasm that I would if we were still in the EU.

Yes, I do too and more to the point so do our kids ...

ps .... Gills's older that we thought

I may be wrong,apparently I sometimes am.? But hasn’t Gill said that she is not yet 60.? If so does a 14/15 year old really know that much about life pre Eu.? I’m sure I will be told in no uncertain terms, oh well.

[Manoverboard]

I don't think that you are super wrong ... I thought Gill was a young teenager during the 70s period when the Labour administration and their paymaster Unions were dragging the Country to it's knees with strikes every other day but for her, luckily, it was a happy period. For us it was not, we were close to going broke.

[Mervyn and Trish]

No Ray. Bojo is only trying to deliver the outcome of the referendum. The others caused it.

I think history will prove that Bojo's decision (the two letters) as to which side to support was a main determinant in the outcome of the referendum. He really is a latter day pied piper. Anyways I shall now be keeping my powder dry for a while.

I can only speak for myself but it was the actions of the four I mentioned along with Cameron's Remain campaign that convinced me to vote on Leave. For me I took notice of Boris at that time.

Too late to edit but should read took no notice of Boris

[oldbluefox]

I don't think that you are super wrong ... I thought Gill was a young teenager during the 70s period when the Labour administration and their paymaster Unions were dragging the Country to it's knees with strikes every other day but for her, luckily, it was a happy period. For us it was not, we were close to going broke.

You're not wrong there Mob. Although I was doing two jobs and not getting home until 10.00 at night we were on our uppers. The miners, amongst others went on strike every year so often there was no heating, no electricity and we had candles to see us through the dark months. In the latter years of Callaghan's government the rubbish was piling up in the streets. As a consequence we decided to quit Britain for a while and I got a job teaching with the Army in Germany, The alternative we also applied for was to emigrate to Canada but the Army got in first.
I have yet to come across a competent Labour government. Blair promised much but he was as twisted as the rest of them. And I'm not even a Tory!!! Little wonder in those circumstances we voted to join the sunlit uplands of the Common market.

[Gill W]

I do not consider this to be a backward step at all Gill, far from it I look forward to the future with far more enthusiasm that I would if we were still in the EU.

Yes, I do too and more to the point so do our kids ...

ps .... Gills's older that we thought

I may be wrong,apparently I sometimes am.? But hasn’t Gill said that she is not yet 60.? If so does a 14/15 year old really know that much about life pre Eu.? I’m sure I will be told in no uncertain terms, oh well.

I’m over 60.

[Ray Scully]

Well i suppose that is one point of view, I'me on the bus Jack ring the bell, however It is heartening and inspiring the way communities have been pulling together to help and support each other this year.

Very heart warming ... in spite of the crooked Mayor of Liverpool stealing from his Community

Surprising that you conflate communities helping and supporting each other with a few newspaper headlines. I prefer to keep my council on that matter until the facts are available.

[Manoverboard]

Well i suppose that is one point of view, I'me on the bus Jack ring the bell, however It is heartening and inspiring the way communities have been pulling together to help and support each other this year.

Very heart warming ... in spite of the crooked Mayor of Liverpool stealing from his Community

Surprising that you conflate communities helping and supporting each other with a few newspaper headlines. I prefer to keep my council on that matter until the facts are available.

Appologies, I should have said .... in spite of reports suggesting that the Mayor of Liverpool ...

No confusion at all, if monies are deflected from the coffers of the Council then there is clearly less to spend on social initiatives.

[Gill W]

I don't think that you are super wrong ... I thought Gill was a young teenager during the 70s period when the Labour administration and their paymaster Unions were dragging the Country to it's knees with strikes every other day but for her, luckily, it was a happy period. For us it was not, we were close to going broke.

It was you who originally alluded to your belief of how wonderful life used to be - not me.

Because you were too young to remember what it was like pre EU ?

It'll be a ball, you'll learn to love it

ps ... fresh seafood for everybody I say not just the French

[screwy]

Nothing to do with not being in the Eu. It was Labours weakness to control its Union paymasters that caused all the strikes and strife.

Incoming.

[towny44]

Nothing to do with not being in the Eu. It was Labours weakness to control its Union paymasters that caused all the strikes and strife.

Incoming.

On a further separate point, but related issue, it is interesting to note that there have been very few major strikes since Maggie clobbered Scargill.

[screwy]

IMO, Maggie used one major tactic in breaking thr Unions. Introducing Right to Buy, she basically said. ‘ You’ve got a mortgage, now go on strike.’ That of course is my humble opinion. I am but a simple man after all.

[Gill W]

Nothing to do with not being in the Eu. It was Labours weakness to control its Union paymasters that caused all the strikes and strife.

Incoming.

You need to speak to Moby, he brought all this up.
Nothing to do with me.

I have no desire to go back to the 70s, whether pre or post joining the EEC

[screwy]

I wasn’t Infering that you did Gill but I understand the sentiment of Moby’s post, life was a long struggle at times because of the strikes, this both before and after joining the Eu.

I wouldn’t want to go back either but then again work was easier to come by, you could leave a job and start another the next day. I wouldn’t want to be a school leaver now.

[towny44]

IMO, Maggie used one major tactic in breaking thr Unions. Introducing Right to Buy, she basically said. ‘ You’ve got a mortgage, now go on strike.’ That of course is my humble opinion. I am but a simple man after all.

I suspect that the stockpiling of coal for the 12 months prior to the strike was the main reason Maggie won, plus of course some extraordinary stupidity from Scargill.

[Stephen]

I wasn’t Infering that you did Gill but I understand the sentiment of Moby’s post, life was a long struggle at times because of the strikes, this both before and after joining the Eu.

I wouldn’t want to go back either but then again work was easier to come by, you could leave a job and start another the next day. I wouldn’t want to be a school leaver now.

Nor would I.

I did exactly that when I was in my teens, flit from one job to another chasing the pound. None of this CV and a dozen interviews malarkey. It was a ‘come and see me’, answer a few questions and if your face fitted it was start Monday on a three month trial.

[Manoverboard]

And the Public's anger with the Trotskis in our midst ... I saw it first hand in the car industry

It was about Union power rather than the EU, the EU was still a trade agreement and it worked well

ps ... mine was ref Screwy's post #947