Southport murder Trial

[Onelife]

Is it time to reconsider reintroducing the death sentence? My personal opinion is Yes, it is, especially in cases such as that of the Southport Murderer Axel Rudakubana who premeditatedly murdered three defenceless children and inflicted life changing injuries on many others. He has pleaded guilty to these horrific offences and shows no remorse (as reported at todays hearing)
I personally think we should seriously look at where the £52,000 per annum to keep him in prison could be better spent rather than keeping this toad in prison.
I think there has to be a line that is crossed that determines pure evil to that of murder with mitigating circumstances and in cases such as this I believe the line has been crossed.

Opinions Anyone?

[oldbluefox]

There is no doubt whatsoever that he did these horrific crimes. He's basically a waste of good fresh air. He's totally evil and that mugshot!!! Eeeek!!!

[Ray B]

Foxy, that mugshot is certainly evil, almost as though it came from an horror film, enough to give someone a nightmare.

[oldbluefox]

I said to my wife, imagine that peering through your windows. Even as a strapping young lad that would put the frighteners on me. Squeak! Squeak!
The more I hear about this case the more I realise evil certainly visited those poor little girls that day. He should never walk the streets again.

[screwy]

Minimum 52 years.!

[Ray B]

52 years may never be set free. If he survive in jail.

[Ray B]

.Snap. .

[Stephen]

He obviously has mental health issues and was known to the authorities before all this. And although I don’t condone what he did for one minute, it does make you wonder if he got medical help earlier non of this may have happened.

[david63]

Why do MPs have start making politics over the sentencing?

Patrick Hurley, Southport’s MP, was in contact with the Attorney General within minutes of the sentence being handed down saying that it was too lenient. Did he not listen to what the judge said? It will almost certainly mean that he spends the rest of his life in jail. He could not have a whole life term because of his age when he committed the crimes. The judge was bound by the law as to what the sentence could be and as an MP he is the one who makes the law. Also I would be very surprised if the judge had not consulted with the Attorney General beforehand as to what sentence could be given.

[Onelife]

He obviously has mental health issues and was known to the authorities before all this. And although I don’t condone what he did for one minute, it does make you wonder if he got medical help earlier non of this may have happened.

I suppose that would depend on how we define mental illness. One should be carful of not go down the line that every evil act emanates from having a mental illness. I’m no authority on this but I rather suspect many acts of violence are born out of a combination of things…upbringing, social interactions, exposure to online influencers etc, all of which can distort how one perceives life. Theses are not mental illnesses these are learnt behaviours which can be taken one way or the other, some choose to allow themselves to be taken down the wrong path, most choose to question where they are going.

I haven’t heard any statement that implies he is mentally ill only that he has a fixation with wanting to commit violence.

What I do know is that the £2,704,000 (at todays prices) to keep him in prison for 52 years would be better spent giving it to the families who have been so tragically deprived of their loved ones.

[Ray B]

There maybe an inquiry set up to find out how this was aloud to happen, so long as it's not a blame game, something may come out of it.
I have no expertise in behaviour, especially what caused the murderer to turn out to be what he ended up as. But, as for stopping him, who could see inside his head. As he had not committed an arrestable offence, you couldn't detain him, what else could anyone do to stop him, you couldn't keep an eye on him 24/7. It's not possible to know what he was planning, which he did cunningly with nerve agent, before murdering.

[Stephen]

Onelife wrote:

I haven’t heard any statement that implies he is mentally ill only that he has a fixation with wanting to commit violence.

One look in his bedroom/house as shown on the news last night would tell anyone with an ounce of intelligence that he has violent intentions and is mentally unstable. All those knives, all ilegal are not the items of a normal person. But as usual too little too late is done with the consequences that unfolded.

[Onelife]

I have to agree with you in that his collection of weapons under his bed and the fact that he was directing other such weapons to his neighbours’ addresses isn’t the actions of someone without problems but there are many conditions that fall under the heading of mental illness, depression, eating disorders, addictive behaviour disorders, anxiety etc, etc, my concern is that you can probably find a mental label to define any action and in doing so allow those who commit these heinous crimes getting off with lighter sentences. The point I was trying to make (perhaps not very well) is that we shouldn’t go down the line of assuming mental illness is the precursor to acts of violence…. regrettable some people are just plain nasty.

[oldbluefox]

I agree with OL...............but don't make a habit of it!!

In too many of these instances the mental health card is played as a means of making excuses and getting a lighter sentence. This character has been a problem for many years and has been the subject of many initiatives but they are limited in what they can do when confronted with somebody who is determined to carry out such an evil act.

His home looked utterly chaotic. Did his parents (who were aware of his violence) not see what was going on in his bedroom? Perhaps they did but were powerless to do anything about it.

[Stephen]

Southport killer was under NHS mental health care https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgmn1rxpk4o

[Ray B]

But unless he was 'Sectioned' under the mental health act of 1983, he was free to go about his evil business.
Likewise, unless the police had just cause to obtain a search warrant, they couldn't search his house.
I stand to be corrected by anyone who may have experience in the above.

[Onelife]

Southport killer was under NHS mental health care https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgmn1rxpk4o

HI Stephen, your link just goes to prove you shouldn’t believe everything Foxy tells you.

To be fair Stephen I’m not surprised that he was referred for Mental health supervision as anyone carrying a knife into school saying they are prepared to use it would I imagine follow the same procedure. The question as to his mental state is yet to be determined but I still maintain that the culture and online garbage that youths of today are subjected to is one of the reasons we are seeing more and more maladjusted individuals….I suppose in the broad sence of the meaning his heinous acts could be considered a Mental illness but taking this line you would also have to included many other criminal offences that are seen as cruel and sadistic but not deemed as a mental illness.

[david63]

His defence team were unable/unwilling to prive any mental health issues to use in mitigation.

The point is that no matter what there is in place to try and catch these individuals before they commit such heinous crimes there will always be somebody that will fall through the net or not reach the level that requires intervention. Yes the criteria can be raised but there will still be those who do not come up on the radar.

The only way around this, and I doubt that it would make much difference, is to have a police state where everybody is monitored 24/7

[Onelife]

His defence team were unable/unwilling to prive any mental health issues to use in mitigation.

The point is that no matter what there is in place to try and catch these individuals before they commit such heinous crimes there will always be somebody that will fall through the net or not reach the level that requires intervention. Yes the criteria can be raised but there will still be those who do not come up on the radar.

The only way around this, and I doubt that it would make much difference, is to have a police state where everybody is monitored 24/7

I wouldn’t disagree with anything you have said David…my fear is that because we don’t know who the next attacker could be we become evermore wary and isolated as a society to the point where social interaction, especially concerning children will done behind locked doors.

I have tried to rack my brain as to how we can find a solution but I’m struggling to know where to begin. We can’t keep jumping in half way believing one measure will be the catalyst which sorts things out. I do wonder if more conformity and less acceptance across all aspects of life, culture, religion, schooling etc. might turn things around, and give this country a better sence of direction? Yes, it would require radical changes and, in some quarters, enforced acceptance but you have to put that against where we are heading… for my money this doesn’t look like a place where future generations will flourish without some radical changes.

I will leave it here hoping you will all support my application for this years Grim Reaper

[Mervyn and Trish]

I believe that in all cases of murder, irrespective of age, and in some other serious crimes, the sentence should be whole life imprisonment in an uncomfortable prison, with basic facilities, no comforts or perks and hard labour. You wouldn't have to lock up many before these people sorted out their mental health issues.