11% Pay Rise (Really)

[haveabeer]

So MP's think they deserve 11% not what i think
The country has to tighten its belt not given any choice, but MP's are immune from any cut backs.
And they wonder why the majority of voters dont trust them.
I never have and never will
the only people they care about is themselves

[Manoverboard]

An 11% pay rise is ok by me but only if they reduce the number pf MPs by 10%, that way it is self financing just like everybody is doing right now.

[david63]

In fairness it is not the MPs who think that they deserve an 11% pay rise but the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority.

Also, from what I have seen, most MPs, of all persuasions, have said that it is unacceptable.

[haveabeer]

So why suggest it given that most voters reaction would be as mine why not come out and say that under the current economic climate we are not taking a pay rise until the country can afford it
Like most companies are telling there staff
Sure that would show that we are all really having to bite the bullet
They are as far as I am concerned over paid now and far to many of them

[david63]

It is very much a case of dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.

The IPSA was set up by the previous Government, probably as a "knee jerk" reaction, in the wake of the expenses scandal to oversee MPs pay and expenses (and a few other areas that could be controversial)

So why suggest it given that most voters reaction would be as mine ...

Because that is their terms of reference - whether it be right or wrong.

... why not come out and say that under the current economic climate we are not taking a pay rise until the country can afford it

The IPSA is not made up of MPs but is an advisory body and most MPs are saying just that - they do not believe that they should be getting such a rise.

They are as far as I am concerned over paid now and far to many of them

Too many of them possibly/probably - overpaid, not sure. In many cases they would be earning a far higher salary in their original profession than they do as an MP.

[Deefitz]

My husband is a civil servant and hasn't had a pay rise in 3 years and has been told no pay rise next year either.
How can they justify an 11% rise, if they don't refuse it, its one rule for them and everyone else can lump it!

[haveabeer]

They can all turn round and say no thanks its not a compulsory rise
My son works for a large supermarket been there four years no rises in that time infact the opposite cut his hours.
so i dont have any sympathy for them what so ever they lost all that with the expenses scandal
i appreciate you cant tar them all with the same brush i know that there are a few that are dedicated to doing there best for the country

[Onelife]

So why suggest it given that most voters reaction would be as mine why not come out and say that under the current economic climate we are not taking a pay rise until the country can afford it
Like most companies are telling there staff
Sure that would show that we are all really having to bite the bullet
They are as far as I am concerned over paid now and far to many of them

Couldn’t agree more havabear. What the MP’s should be saying is that they are appalled and embarrassed that the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority could even come up with such a ridiculous pay increase especially considering most public sector workers haven’t had a decent pay rise in three years.

Regards

Keith

[gfwgfw]

Ahem

Not all MP's are uncaring

I really applaud my MP, Annette Brooke, who is a very sincere and hard working lady, I am sure that there are many more erstwhile MP's throughout our emerald isles

Regarding their salaries, there must be many who could earn more money working in the commercial world

The old adage

Pay peanuts you get monkeys requires a little thought

[Delboy]

This will help give a little more insight into the pay award, as has been said the MP's have NOT awarded themselves this award, and all 3 leaders are against it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25287108

[haveabeer]

Ahem

Not all MP's are uncaring

I really applaud my MP, Annette Brooke, who is a very sincere and hard working lady, I am sure that there are many more erstwhile MP's throughout our emerald isles

Regarding their salaries, there must be many who could earn more money working in the commercial world

The old adage

Pay peanuts you get monkeys requires a little thought

There are many that do just as a demanding job maybe not so high profile who have had to survive on a lesser salary and no prospects of an increase
As the PM said we are all in the same boat we all have to make sacrifices

[Kaziebelle]

It is very much a case of dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.

The IPSA was set up by the previous Government, probably as a "knee jerk" reaction, in the wake of the expenses scandal to oversee MPs pay and expenses (and a few other areas that could be controversial)

So why suggest it given that most voters reaction would be as mine ...

Because that is their terms of reference - whether it be right or wrong.

... why not come out and say that under the current economic climate we are not taking a pay rise until the country can afford it

The IPSA is not made up of MPs but is an advisory body and most MPs are saying just that - they do not believe that they should be getting such a rise.

They are as far as I am concerned over paid now and far to many of them

Too many of them possibly/probably - overpaid, not sure. In many cases they would be earning a far higher salary in their original profession than they do as an MP.

Original profession?most of them have not had an original profession that's why they are so out of touch with the real world,they're clueless,they just try and make the right noises and get that wrong mostly

[Dark Knight]

worth every penny

after all they are running the country and our lives, so I don't want some minimum wage wallah making choices for me, I want some well paid, savvy cove, who knows what's what

[gfwgfw]

Hi Kev

Agree

I do not have the necessary to be in anyway able to be a worthy MP

Let them can be well rewarded and respected

Have NO problems at all

Do hope all is well in Septreland and Sceptre Jess had a happy birthday

The Giant with a big heart

[Admiral of the Humber]

Dear Kev and Graham,

I agree with you both, particularly the peanuts / monkey analogy. Forgive me if this has been already mentioned but due to changes in the way in which MP's pensions will be financed the overall increase will actually cost the UK taxpayer nothing.

Jess had a lovely birthday thanks Graham and is now looking forward to Christmas!

Regards
Rob aka AOTH, reporting from the City of Culture 2017.

[Admiral of the Humber]

Now then Keefy Onelife, I see you lurking.

Belated birthday wishes to Miss Onelife from the AOTH clan. I hope she had a lovely time.

Best wishes
Robbie

[Onelife]

Hi Robbie,

Thanks Robbie, I’ll pass on your kind Birthday wishes to Miss Onelife.

It’s been none stop birthday celebrations for Miss Onelife... Thursday was a pre –arranged theatre trip with her friends, Saturday was a night in with Mom and dad (Chinese) tonight she is having a sleep over after her night out in Oxford ...Folk dance!

Where did our babies go?

Regards

Keefy

[Onelife]

Most MP’s would be stuffing their pockets to the brim if they thought they could get away with it.

The real point here is whether they warrant as much as they do for a job most are not qualified to do in the first place. And NO! I won’t make a U-TURN on that view which is more than can be said for the “try it, see if it works” attitude that seems to emanate from the couldn’t care less, no one carries the can Coalition Government...although it has to be said there isn’t much difference between any of the parties on that score.

Independent pay review bodies have made recommendation for many Public sector workers pay increases yet none of them have come anywhere near to that of the 11% recommendation by the independent body that oversees MP’s wages. I wouldn’t be surprised if the MP’s Independent pay review body was made up of x politicians...well they must be or they wouldn’t have put forward this load of crap.

I think it was Ken? (Apologies If I’m wrong) who suggested that Prospective MP’s should be drawn from those who have studied for that profession and not from those who turn their hand to it just because they fancy a change off career....Something I agree with.

Regards

OL

[towny44]

If I thought that having 650 individuals truly, sensibly, correctly, fairly....(and countless other similar adverbs) representing all the UK voters, then I might agree that £74,00pa was a small price to pay for such a wonderful organisation.
However despite all the dialogue that goes on, sometimes over many months, to discuss any type of legislation, and then to vote mainly on party lines seems pretty pointless to me. Why not let a computer decide the voting based on the most recent election results and save all that hot air and their wages as well.

[Quizzical Bob]

Far too much. There is no shortage of applicants, leave it as it is.

[Kendhni]

A very weakly spun news story designed to get people up in arms ... and very successful it was too.
After the expenses scandal 'the people' demanded an independent body to review such things .. they got it ... then when it does what it was tasked to do they get all huffy. Secondly, we are talking about something that will take effect in 2 years time (May 2015), after the next general election. Thirdly, in return for the pay rise they have to accept other changes which, if the savings from those other changes are worth at least 10% means the tax payer is getting value for money ... but I would like to see those other changes properly costed.


PS: Onelife, yes I have said in the past that MP's should be drawn from people with experience in such departments, but better still so should the civil servants who ultimately execute the policies made by MP's.
PPS: If, at the end of this parliamentary term the trends in the economy show that it is back on a proper footing with the recovery well under way then the coalition will have done their job and arguably the Conservative and LibDem MP's will deserve a significant payrise (which is more than can be said about Labour who continue to contribute nothing to this recovery).

[haveabeer]

Ken
There are no excuses whoever awarded it
Everyone is being told we have to make sacrifices we have to keep wage rises low
What makes them different I am sure that the voters of this country would also accept a pay rise of 11% in 2015

[davecttr]

If things improve the coalition will have done their job and proved that coalitions are good for the country. It is a pity that the Lib Dems will probably not get the thanks they deserve for reigning in the 'crazy tory' ideas that would have been implemented had the Eton Mafia got a majority. the same applies to Labour of course, too many 'crazy red' ideas.

Of course the tory propaganda machine will ensure they get all the thanks for the good things the coalition has done and the libdems get the blame for the bad.

It would be nice if politicians had the interests of their voters at heart and not just their party and personal lust for power.

[Delboy]

I believe MPs should get higher salaries because when you compare them with other countries and even the City of London they're low, but in the current economic climate when other citizens are being told 'by them' to accept no wage increases to help reduce the deficit then they should be prepared to make the same sacrifice for as long as it takes.

However you cannot blame the MP's for this suggested pay rise, (which as has been stated does not come into affect until May 2015 after next general election), as
it is an independent body who have recommended it, which was set up over the MP's expenses scandal.

I agree with the comment pay peanuts, then don't be surprised if all you get is Monkeys.

Mind you for all the talk, I bet if there was a vote in the house on it, would not be surprised if it got passed. But a vote cannot happen because it is out of the MP's hands, only as individuals can they decide what to do with the increase should the recommendation come into affect.

[Dark Knight]

not more spin Ken, you must be dizzy