Halloween

Unread post by **Stephen** » 31 Oct 2014, 17:09

Yep, it's here again.

Bear traps set and pumpkin illuminated in the window with the cut out words 'F*** Off'

Enjoy

Unread post by **Boris+** » 31 Oct 2014, 17:16

I really don't mind quiet parties for youngsters, so that they can dress up and have suitably themed food; BUT I do mind this 'trick or treat' business. Trick or treat as far as I am concerned is condoning bullying and demanding money with menaces at the very least, and being a blasted nuisance too - blatant begging.

So, our gates are firmly locked, and the padlocks will stay during night hours for a few days yet.

I also don't like the product being blatantly pushed by supermarkets - if a parent wants to make a costume from paper crepe or cheap fabric that's ok, but I've seen children nagging parents for these supermarket outfits and accessories - what a waste of money.

Em

Unread post by **Ray Scully** » 31 Oct 2014, 17:40

Very busy day wrapping sprouts in Ferraro Rocher wrappers, and making toffee onions not apples to give the kids

Ray

Unread post by **suespud** » 31 Oct 2014, 17:58

Boris+ wrote:
I really don't mind quiet parties for youngsters, so that they can dress up and have suitably themed food; BUT I do mind this 'trick or treat' business. Trick or treat as far as I am concerned is condoning bullying and demanding money with menaces at the very least, and being a blasted nuisance too - blatant begging.

So, our gates are firmly locked, and the padlocks will stay during night hours for a few days yet.

I also don't like the product being blatantly pushed by supermarkets - if a parent wants to make a costume from paper crepe or cheap fabric that's ok, but I've seen children nagging parents for these supermarket outfits and accessories - what a waste of money.

Em

Oh for crying out loud Boris... What a total party pooper!!!
A quiet party....what is the point

Bullying and demanding money......

Not in our neighbourhood.

I have once turned away teenagers ..just said sorry no sweets left. They said ok and went.
We have children with their parents , all dressed up with their lanterns and pumpkins...
It's just fun!!!!
No one bullying or demanding money .

Don't answer your door if you don't want to...no one forces you.
But for goodness sake...lighten up a bit !!!

Unread post by **suespud** » 31 Oct 2014, 18:18

suespud wrote:
Boris+ wrote:
I really don't mind quiet parties for youngsters, so that they can dress up and have suitably themed food; BUT I do mind this 'trick or treat' business. Trick or treat as far as I am concerned is condoning bullying and demanding money with menaces at the very least, and being a blasted nuisance too - blatant begging.

So, our gates are firmly locked, and the padlocks will stay during night hours for a few days yet.

I also don't like the product being blatantly pushed by supermarkets - if a parent wants to make a costume from paper crepe or cheap fabric that's ok, but I've seen children nagging parents for these supermarket outfits and accessories - what a waste of money.

Em
Oh for crying out loud Boris... What a total party pooper!!!
A quiet party....what is the point

Bullying and demanding money......
Not in our neighbourhood.

I have once turned away teenagers ..just said sorry no sweets left. They said ok and went.
We have children with their parents , all dressed up with their lanterns and pumpkins...
It's just fun!!!!
No one bullying or demanding money .

Don't answer your door if you don't want to...no one forces you.
But for goodness sake...lighten up a bit !!!

Pics of our NON quiet party last year..in my gallery..forgot how to do a link
....not a piece of crepe paper in sight....

Unread post by **Suekersh** » 31 Oct 2014, 18:19

I agree Sue. I have just spent the day with our Grandaughters at a National Trust property where they have walked around the Halloween trail counting pumpkins, pixies and broom sticks. Then walked through the house finding ingredients for the witches brew, after that carving their own pumpkins with some help. We have had a great day and tonight we are going to a Halloween party. The little one is a pumpkin and the eldest a vampire queen. I have face painted them and they have their shop bought cistumes from last year. They have trick or treated our local neighbours and they have loved seeing them dressed up. The party us at our local dance school and they will not know anyone but will soon make lots of new friends.

Unread post by **suespud** » 31 Oct 2014, 18:22

Suekersh wrote:
I agree Sue. I have just spent the day with our Grandaughters at a National Trust property where they have walked around the Halloween trail counting pumpkins, pixies and broom sticks. Then walked through the house finding ingredients for the witches brew, after that carving their own pumpkins with some help. We have had a great day and tonight we are going to a Halloween party. The little one is a pumpkin and the eldest a vampire queen. I have face painted them and they have their shop bought cistumes from last year. They have trick or treated our local neighbours and they have loved seeing them dressed up. The party us at our local dance school and they will not know anyone but will soon make lots of new friends.

That's sounds a wonderful day!!!
Enjoy your party!!

We had a fab party last year...totally OTT..but GREAT FUN.

Not doing anything this year.
But have sweets ready by the door.

Unread post by **Manoverboard** » 31 Oct 2014, 18:37

I don't altogether understand the significance but in an attempt to enter into the spirit of the occasion I have this very day purchased one large pumpkin ... in the event that the house hasn't burnt down in the morning I will be making 2.4 litres of soup

ps ... Mobietta bought a few bags of ' Fizzy flying Saucers ' ... are we to expect aliens ?

Unread post by **ItsmeAnnC** » 31 Oct 2014, 18:48

I have to agree with Boris, I'm afraid. Like carol singing it's nothing more than begging. I confess to being nervous about people ringing my doorbell and expecting me to give them something (or else what?). I don't mind carol singers if they actually sing carols, not just ring the doorbell and when you answer they give one chorus of "We wish you a merry Christmas", AND they have a charity box. But I will not supplement their pocket money.
I was giving a singing lesson one year and carol singers rang the doorbell. I answered it because it was the time I was expecting the next student. There were three boys about ten years old. I said I would give them something if they actually sang a carol. Two ran off. I made the other sing a carol with my student and myself on the doorstep, then kept my word and gave him some money. Soon all his mates were round and we had carol singers every night. Never again!

Unread post by **Boris+** » 31 Oct 2014, 18:55

Years ago I had no problem with joining with other parents and doing food and an outfit for a little party held locally. There was no buying of fancy outfits and seeing who could buy the best etc., the parents all made the outfits - and those who weren't very good at making outfits did a bit more towards the catering, and people who weren't too good at catering bits and pieces helped with outfits and decoration. Everyone had a lovely time.

With small children it's not so bad - but when teenagers catch on to this it can be quite intimidating. I don't want to see people dressed up as corpses - I've had enough of that for real; and whilst the little children tend to dress as harmless ghosts or pumpkins or little devils, with teenagers it just seems that they go 'one step too far' - and I don't like it; they verge on being sinister.

Nowadays I simply don't like answering the door to people I don't know - especially at night at this time of year.

Therefore, all the gates are locked.

Em

Unread post by **Dancing Queen** » 31 Oct 2014, 19:03

I don't mind Halloween it's just a bit of fun, we haven't had anyone knocking on the door yet and thinking about it no-one did last year but we live on a very quiet road and many don't even realise we are here

I certainly don't see it as begging or threatening .. in fact I have a pile of £1 coins by the door should anyone knock.

Em you may not agree with it but it is here and here to stay and no doubt as your granddaughter gets older she will want to join in all the things her friends will be doing, I rather think you will have a change of heart when that happens

Unread post by **suespud** » 31 Oct 2014, 19:09

ItsmeAnnC wrote:
I have to agree with Boris, I'm afraid. Like carol singing it's nothing more than begging. I confess to being nervous about people ringing my doorbell and expecting me to give them something (or else what?). I don't mind carol singers if they actually sing carols, not just ring the doorbell and when you answer they give one chorus of "We wish you a merry Christmas", AND they have a charity box. But I will not supplement their pocket money.
I was giving a singing lesson one year and carol singers rang the doorbell. I answered it because it was the time I was expecting the next student. There were three boys about ten years old. I said I would give them something if they actually sang a carol. Two ran off. I made the other sing a carol with my student and myself on the doorstep, then kept my word and gave him some money. Soon all his mates were round and we had carol singers every night. Never again!

Kids out to make money Carol singing, "wish you a merry christmas" for their own pocket,
would get a "No Thank You" and the door firmly shut.

However...on Halloween..on Trick or Treat night...I can see nothing wrong with treating the youngsters who have gone to the trouble of dressing up and all made up in the theme.
That's what happens on Halloween...
It's all just fun.
Iv had a few here tonight..giggly girls from the streets nearby..with a parent in the background.
A couple of draculas...and pirate!!

I can't for the life of me see what is wrong with that.

Unread post by **suespud** » 31 Oct 2014, 19:22

Boris+ wrote:
Years ago I had no problem with joining with other parents and doing food and an outfit for a little party held locally. There was no buying of fancy outfits and seeing who could buy the best etc., the parents all made the outfits - and those who weren't very good at making outfits did a bit more towards the catering, and people who weren't too good at catering bits and pieces helped with outfits and decoration. Everyone had a lovely time.

With small children it's not so bad - but when teenagers catch on to this it can be quite intimidating. I don't want to see people dressed up as corpses - I've had enough of that for real; and whilst the little children tend to dress as harmless ghosts or pumpkins or little devils, with teenagers it just seems that they go 'one step too far' - and I don't like it; they verge on being sinister.

Nowadays I simply don't like answering the door to people I don't know - especially at night at this time of year.

Therefore, all the gates are locked.

Em

Years and years ago maybe about 25 or more..I used to make costumes for my children...
But times move on..Boris.. Things change.
You can buy a costume for under £10...much better than anything homemade!!

PS..make sure you don't misplace the keys for ALL the padlocks for ALL the gates......

Unread post by **Boris+** » 31 Oct 2014, 19:47

Whatever - you do it your way (and I hope that you enjoy it); meanwhile, I'll do it my way and hope that you respect that.

Em

Unread post by **suespud** » 31 Oct 2014, 20:22

Boris+ wrote:
Whatever - you do it your way (and I hope that you enjoy it); meanwhile, I'll do it my way and hope that you respect that.

Em

Indeed

Unread post by **wolfie** » 01 Nov 2014, 00:06

Most of our Halloween has been spent in A&E. OH didn't need any make up, he had a huge, and very real wound, to his head, (after falling down some steps in the garden), which would have frightened even the brave! The pool of blood he left on the ground could have come in very useful for the revellers!

Unread post by **GillD46** » 01 Nov 2014, 06:07

wolfie wrote:
Most of our Halloween has been spent in A&E. OH didn't need any make up, he had a huge, and very real wound, to his head, (after falling down some steps in the garden), which would have frightened even the brave! The pool of blood he left on the ground could have come in very useful for the revellers!

I am so sorry to hear about the accident and hope he is feeling better and back to himself very soon. It must have been a great shock to you both. I know just how trying an evening in A&E can be. We had one last year, well an evening AND half the night. NOT fun. Best wishes to A.

Re Halloween, having bought the goodies, only one group of 5 youngsters came here, all suitably dressed up and they seemed quite happy with the chocolates I provided. Unfortunately, it means there is a bowlful left, which would be better NOT in my tummy - and therefore on my hips!

Unread post by **Dancing Queen** » 01 Nov 2014, 07:48

Sorry to hear about your OH Wolfie, hope all is ok now.
Jo xx

Unread post by **Boris+** » 01 Nov 2014, 08:43

Hi Sue,

You commented that these cheap tacky shop bought costumes are better than 'something home made' - and I beg to differ. I'd rather invest time and love and care producing an outfit than see someone going out in something which (a) could be just the same as what someone else is wearing (b) not necessarily as comfortable as an outfit which would fall into your 'home made' category.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in people making outfits at home - or do you think that people would be better occupied doing something pointless and aimless maybe even selfish with there time?

I have seen countless outfits where (for instance) pieces including netting are used in the wrong way in the wrong situation, causing soreness to the person wearing the outfit; another cause of discomfort can be slapdash use of harsh nylon/plastic closures (cheap version of Velcro), where being a cheapskate with time, cost and ability is a huge mistake. You may well think it doesn't matter and that these outfits are only going to be worn for a short time, but these outfits are usually actively worn, and a badly produced garment is not really a good idea.

So, criticise if you want (based on what I don't know), but I would much rather make a dressing-up outfit and invest my time and love and care than not. I know that not everyone can sew, not everyone wants to, and not everyone has the requisite equipment - and that is why all those years ago people who could did, and those who couldn't were helped.

Our locks worked quietly and discreetly, and a pleasant evening was passed.

Em

Unread post by **Boris+** » 01 Nov 2014, 08:45

Hi Wolfie,

I'm sorry to hear about that accident, and even more sorry to hear that you had to spend time in A&E. I hope it was simply something 'silly' like wet leaves and not something more serious - and I trust that your OH will recover quickly.

Em

Unread post by **Anne D** » 01 Nov 2014, 09:04

wolfie wrote:
Most of our Halloween has been spent in A&E. OH didn't need any make up, he had a huge, and very real wound, to his head, (after falling down some steps in the garden), which would have frightened even the brave! The pool of blood he left on the ground could have come in very useful for the revellers!

Sorry to hear about the accident and hope your OH is now feeling a lot better.

Anne

Unread post by **kaymar** » 01 Nov 2014, 10:33

It is noticeable, I think, that the supporters of "trick or treat" have no experience of the more objectionable version of this annoying practice.

It is very true that no-one objects at all to "giggly girls from the streets nearby..with a parent in the background" or small, local children dressing up as witches, skeletons or whatever and collecting sweets and chocolate bars - they can indeed be quite endearing with their turnip or pumpkin lanterns and happy, excited faces.

What is less pleasant, however, is the relatively recent experience of a group of teenage lads, whose only attempt at "dressing up" is a 50p mask from the local shop, hammering on the door, peering through the windows, demanding money. A refusal is to risk a "trick" involving damage to your property, bins emptied on your drive and/or eggs (or worse) flung at your doors and windows.

O.K., most of us can deal with this in our own way but to elderly people, perhaps living alone, it can be quite frightening. Harmless fun? I think not - just another unpleasant American import that we could well do without.

Unread post by **Stephen** » 01 Nov 2014, 12:51

kaymar wrote:
It is noticeable, I think, that the supporters of "trick or treat" have no experience of the more objectionable version of this annoying practice.

It is very true that no-one objects at all to "giggly girls from the streets nearby..with a parent in the background" or small, local children dressing up as witches, skeletons or whatever and collecting sweets and chocolate bars - they can indeed be quite endearing with their turnip or pumpkin lanterns and happy, excited faces.

What is less pleasant, however, is the relatively recent experience of a group of teenage lads, whose only attempt at "dressing up" is a 50p mask from the local shop, hammering on the door, peering through the windows, demanding money. A refusal is to risk a "trick" involving damage to your property, bins emptied on your drive and/or eggs (or worse) flung at your doors and windows.

O.K., most of us can deal with this in our own way but to elderly people, perhaps living alone, it can be quite frightening. Harmless fun? I think not - just another unpleasant American import that we could well do without.

Couldn't agree more Kaymar.

Unread post by **Dancing Queen** » 01 Nov 2014, 13:27

I don't think it's a case of being a supporter of trick or treat or not .. I don't have children so one would think I would be with the 'not brigade' but I am quite the opposite I love to see children enjoying themselves, I was in Tesco late yesterday afternoon and it was lovely seeing all the mums with their little ones choosing which outfits they were going to have and the squeals of delight that echoed, I stopped to speak to one little girl who was very busy sweeping up with her witches broom .. bless, she obviously didn't know the significance of it but her excitement was lovely as was her 'mass produced outfit' which Mr Tesco had very kindly reduced to half price

Sadly Kaymar there will always be groups of lads AND lasses that hang around purely with the intention of being intimidating and they don't need Halloween as an excuse, tbh I would treat them just like the rest and give them £1 even if it went against my better judgement they just see it as a reason to jump on the bandwagon and right or wrong if it stops them from damaging your property it's a small price to pay and yes I agree you shouldn't have to but 'welcome to the real world'

Unread post by **Silver_Shiney** » 01 Nov 2014, 14:00

Ray Scully wrote:
Very busy day wrapping sprouts in Ferraro Rocher wrappers, and making toffee onions not apples to give the kids

Ray

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