Is all food cancerous?

[towny44]

OMG the end of the world is nigh health chiefs now say bacon is carcinogenic, along with burgers, sausages and even fresh red meat.
All we need now is to be told that HP sauce is also a cancer risk and life without a bacon buttie or sausage sarnie topped with lashings of HP will not be worth living.

[GillD46]

The risks associated with processed meats have been known for quite some time. We don't eat them anyway.

[Raybosailor]

Why is it that when I was young I ate tons of steak, burgers, sausage and oh yeah Tommy K but never put an ounce of fat on ?. Now I eat healthily but struggle with my weight.

When I was young I was sport mad and was on the go seven days a week, the keyword is EXERCISE.

Go for a run John and enjoy a sausage and bacon sarnie plastered in HP when you get back, I am no expert but one thing I can guarantee you is that your gonna die of something sooner or later so lets die happy.

[barney]

You're right there Raybo

I'm of the opinion that I eat and drink exactly what I want but in moderation.

Everything changes in the world of food and drink, with 'EXPERTS' telling you one thing or the other.

What was good is now bad and visa versa.

Ignore the lot of them and live a normal, active life and you won't go far wrong.

A mate of mine is obsessed with it all, while hapily driving a diesel car which is spewing out toxins into the drivers cabin.

Life's strange ?????

[Mervyn and Trish]

I think the answer is life is cancerous. There are things you can do you reduce risk but nothing is guaranteed.

Whatever the cause, cancer basically starts when a cell division goes wrong and the result is a rogue cell, that then multiplies. With billions of cell divisions going on in our body every day of our life the miracle is it doesn't go wrong more often. Can you imagine undertaking any repetitive task trillions of times and never getting it wrong?

Cancer has become more common for one simple reason. In the past we used to die of other things - diphtheria, TB, polio, etc. etc. and were long gone before cancer became a risk. We have more cancers because we are surviving more other stuff.

Of course in years to come research will find more ways of preventing or curing cancer and them something else will replace it as the big killer. In the end something's going to get us. In the meantime I'd say be sensible and enjoy life.

p.s. Barney I'd recommend your friend gets his exhaust checked. It's supposed to spew the toxins outside!

[barney]

I know thay are supposd to Merv but the evidence shows that they don't

They ahve tested the toxins in the cab and they are (alledgedly) dangerously high

Just google ithe data

That is why diesel as a fuel for cars, will be banned in the near future

[anniec]

I've lived long enough for there to be a complete about-turn on just about every food that's good/bad - butter, full milk, lard, lettuce, polyunsaturates, saturates and on and on... It's only a matter of time before some bright spark discovers that the current fad, a Mediterranean diet with tons of olive oil, is incredibly bad for you and the reason why huge numbers of us are obese, and the Mediterraneans live so long because they smoke like chimneys.

The problem is lack of rigour before publishing research, with the aim of getting luvverly funding.

[barney]

Can you imagine going to the doctors and he prescribes a fag ??????

It could happen !

[Manoverboard]

As long as mine doesn't suggest that I should become a vegetarian all will be well.

Now, THAT could be the next cancer scare due to all the pig poo being sprayed all over it ... just saying.

[Mervyn and Trish]

In his later life my Dad's biggest risk was dying of starvation as one food after another was deemed dangerous and he cut it out of his diet

[anniec]

Now, THAT could be the next cancer scare due to all the pig poo being sprayed all over it ... just saying.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't pig poo the only thing they haven't told us not to eat?

[Silver_Shiney]

For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on nutrition
and health. It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting medical studies:

1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the
Americans, Australians, British, or Canadians.

2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and also suffer fewer heart attacks than
the Americans, Australians, British, or Canadians.

3. The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks
than the Americans, Australians, British, or Canadians.

4. The Italians drink large amounts of red wine and also suffer fewer heart
attacks than the Americans, Australians, British, or Canadians.

5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats and
suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans,Australians, British, or Canadians.

6. Ukrainians drink a lot of vodka, eat a lot of perogies, cabbage rolls and
suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans, Australians, British, or Canadians.

CONCLUSION: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you.

[Mervyn and Trish]

For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on nutrition
and health. It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting medical studies:

1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the
Americans, Australians, British, or Canadians.

2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and also suffer fewer heart attacks than
the Americans, Australians, British, or Canadians.

3. The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks
than the Americans, Australians, British, or Canadians.

4. The Italians drink large amounts of red wine and also suffer fewer heart
attacks than the Americans, Australians, British, or Canadians.

5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats and
suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans,Australians, British, or Canadians.

6. Ukrainians drink a lot of vodka, eat a lot of perogies, cabbage rolls and
suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans, Australians, British, or Canadians.

CONCLUSION: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you.

[david63]

There was a report a few weeks ago that stated that for many cancers there was no explanation why some people contracted it and some didn't - it is all the "luck of the draw"

[Silver_Shiney]

We'll soon be getting cancer of the cancer...


It seems that, as we have devolved over the millenia, that it's not only mutations in DNA that cause disease, but epigenetic errors can be equally to blame. The DNA in cancer cells have abnormally high levels of methylation, and it has been discovered that "tumour suppression genes", which are required for normal development, are de-activated by methylation - and directly linked to cancer. Oncogenes, on the other hand, are "switched on" by de-methylation. Adding or removing certain chemicals can reverse epigenetic changes and now scientists are looking to develop drugs to control epigenetic enzymes. Apparently green tea is a useful weapon in the fight against the Big C as, apparently, it can turn de-activated genes back on.

So is contracting it "luck of the draw"? Possibly, but I suspect it depends, to some extent, on the DNA that has passed down through your ancestory, with its particular mix of genetic mutations.

[anniec]

So is contracting it "luck of the draw"? Possibly, but I suspect it depends, to some extent, on the DNA that has passed down through your ancestory, with its particular mix of genetic mutations.

Which is, unless someone comes up with a way of selecting one's parents before conception, the luck of the draw.

[Gill W]

life without a bacon buttie or sausage sarnie topped with lashings of HP will not be worth living.

If it prevents you getting ill, life is perfectly fine without bacon or sausages.

This is exactly the sort of food I don't eat anymore, due to the high salt content.

I eat a low salt diet to control Menieres Disease. Having a chronic illness really concentrates the mind, and a few dietary changes to maintain health is no hardship whatsoever.

Given the choice of

A) Preventing vertigo in the short term and preventing hearing loss and damage to my balance system in the long term

or

B) A bacon or sausage sandwich


I'll go for A) every time!

[Dark Knight]

I had a rather wonderful large bacon sarnie this very morning from a very nice café whilst reading the latest scaremongering from the Daily Wail
after reading the article I decided that I will die when I die and will be unable to do much about it at that point and to deprive myself of some of life's little luxuries for an extra year or two, is not worth the effort and as I am only going to be here once I will enjoy myself rather than give in, to every little thing that may or may not take a couple of weeks of this already short life

[Stephen]

At the end of the day something is going to get you so enjoy what you like now, who knows what's round the corner.

[barney]

with you there DK

I'm in a small minority that have absolutely no desire to live a long life

I'd rather live a good life and when my times up, I'm ready to depart.

The thought of living too long fills me with dread, to be honest.

[Mervyn and Trish]

At the end of the day something is going to get you so enjoy what you like now, who knows what's round the corner.

Probably a bus Stephen, about to run you down!

It was once said that if you cut out all life's pleasures you still won't live to be 150. But it will be so boring that it will feel like it.

And having read the Wail article closely it seems bacon becomes a problem if you eat more than one rasher a day, which I don't. Or the red meat if you eat the equivalent of an average sized steak every three days, which I don't.

Except on cruises obviously.

[Dark Knight]

On medical advice over the last 9 years I have
stopped smoking
stopped drinking except on holiday
joined a gym
got a good nights sleep , most nights
eat sensibly apart from the odd bacon sarnie and takeaway
I have low cholesterol, low blood pressure, in low risk groups for lots of other stuff
I have regular check ups for all the stuff that middle age brings with it, have a full BUPA MOT every year ..etc etc etc
if it wasn't for sex, I might as well be dead

[Stephen]

On medical advice over the last 9 years I have
stopped smoking
stopped drinking except on holiday
joined a gym
got a good nights sleep , most nights
eat sensibly apart from the odd bacon sarnie and takeaway
I have low cholesterol, low blood pressure, in low risk groups for lots of other stuff
I have regular check ups for all the stuff that middle age brings with it, have a full BUPA MOT every year ..etc etc etc
if it wasn't for sex, I might as well be dead

Is that a bright white light is see beckoning me....or is someone shining a torch in my face.

[Manoverboard]

We certainly eat well but Mobietta had/has some issues regarding ' salt ' so I decided to check out some of the items that we purchase on a regular basis ... it is quite revealing, for example ;

One 400gms pack/can of Chopped Tomatoes will have less than 1% ( of the Reference Intake ) yet an almost identical pack/can by the same producer could have up to 20%.

Sauces are another example, make your own chilli sauce and there will be very little salt but buy a branded item and 30% is achievable.

Bacon by the way can exceed 50% !!!

However care should be taken regarding the exclusion of salt from one's diet as blurred vision can arise if the levels drop too low, seems that our eyes do need salt.

[david63]

Salt is used to give taste to food that is low in fat - therefore

low fat = high salt
low salt = high fat

(that is a generalisation and there will always be exception)