General Election

[david63]

As there will be no Brexit to talk about for the next six weeks it looks as if we will have to move over to the GE!

I wonder if anyone has realised yet that the first day of the new parliament will be on a Friday 13th

[towny44]

I thought parliaments recall would be on 23rd December, or have I dreamt that? Of course even the govt might not be known on the 13th if there's no clear majority.

[CaroleF]

I did believe the only way out of the mess we're in was a General Election but on my birthday!

Carole

[CaroleF]

I was going to post this on the Brexit thread but then realised it's better on here - according to the reports today the Lib Dems reckon they are going to get 200 seats - really? What are Lib Dems who are Leavers supposed to do now that the LDs have said their policy is to remain and cancel Brexit - that's assuming there are Lib Dems who are Leavers.

Carole

[Gill W]

I was going to post this on the Brexit thread but then realised it's better on here - according to the reports today the Lib Dems reckon they are going to get 200 seats - really? What are Lib Dems who are Leavers supposed to do now that the LDs have said their policy is to remain and cancel Brexit - that's assuming there are Lib Dems who are Leavers.

Carole

They’ll have to do the same as Conservatives who are Remainers - find someone else to vote for!

[Manoverboard]

I was going to post this on the Brexit thread but then realised it's better on here - according to the reports today the Lib Dems reckon they are going to get 200 seats - really? What are Lib Dems who are Leavers supposed to do now that the LDs have said their policy is to remain and cancel Brexit - that's assuming there are Lib Dems who are Leavers.

Carole

Here in the South West many of the Lib Dem seats are marginal so if their ' leavers ' vote elsewhere, or more likely abstain, it follows that they will finish up with less seats rather than more ... either way 200 is a ridiculous target to project

[barney]

I was going to post this on the Brexit thread but then realised it's better on here - according to the reports today the Lib Dems reckon they are going to get 200 seats - really? What are Lib Dems who are Leavers supposed to do now that the LDs have said their policy is to remain and cancel Brexit - that's assuming there are Lib Dems who are Leavers.

Carole

They’ll have to do the same as Conservatives who are Remainers - find someone else to vote for!

I think you are 100% correct Gill.
This election may throw up a few unusual results.
The Libdem standing where I now live has had to stand down due to offensive comments on social media.
Being a strong leave area, I'd guess the Tory is a shoe in although there is a local Brexit lady candidate who will stand.
An Exmoor lady. They breed em tough there.

[barney]

I was going to post this on the Brexit thread but then realised it's better on here - according to the reports today the Lib Dems reckon they are going to get 200 seats - really? What are Lib Dems who are Leavers supposed to do now that the LDs have said their policy is to remain and cancel Brexit - that's assuming there are Lib Dems who are Leavers.

Carole

Here in the South West many of the Lib Dem seats are marginal so if their ' leavers ' vote elsewhere, or more likely abstain, it follows that they will finish up with less seats rather than more ... either way 200 is a ridiculous target to project

Swinson is only keeping the seat warm. After brexit they will realise that the likes of Chukka will turn them into Labour lite.
That may be their best shot at expansion.

[Stephen]

I was going to post this on the Brexit thread but then realised it's better on here - according to the reports today the Lib Dems reckon they are going to get 200 seats - really? What are Lib Dems who are Leavers supposed to do now that the LDs have said their policy is to remain and cancel Brexit - that's assuming there are Lib Dems who are Leavers.

Carole

Here in the South West many of the Lib Dem seats are marginal so if their ' leavers ' vote elsewhere, or more likely abstain, it follows that they will finish up with less seats rather than more ... either way 200 is a ridiculous target to project

Swinson is only keeping the seat warm. After brexit they will realise that the likes of Chukka will turn them into Labour lite.
That may be their best shot at expansion.

Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him.

[Onelife]

Here in the South West many of the Lib Dem seats are marginal so if their ' leavers ' vote elsewhere, or more likely abstain, it follows that they will finish up with less seats rather than more ... either way 200 is a ridiculous target to project

Swinson is only keeping the seat warm. After brexit they will realise that the likes of Chukka will turn them into Labour lite.
That may be their best shot at expansion.

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It's a bit of a joke that they still call themselves the liberal Democrats when they have failed to uphold the very essence of democracy.

Not wishing to knock her too much but when it comes to weak leaders she (Swinson) is right up there with Corbyn.
The way she delivers her monotone speeches is comparable to that of my numerous spelling mistakes ...embarrassing!!

Make no mistake about it Jo Swinson is a weak leader, her only atttribute is that she seized upon the political lifeline created by the undemocratic remoaners.

Vote Boris

[Gill W]

It seems that tactical voting is going to be a thing at this election.

It’s not so much voting FOR something, but rather voting against. The idea is that the tactical voters vote for the party most likely to defeat the Conservative candidate

[towny44]

It seems that tactical voting is going to be a thing at this election.

It’s not so much voting FOR something, but rather voting against. The idea is that the tactical voters vote for the party most likely to defeat the Conservative candidate

Gill are you genuinely willing to let Jeremy Corbyn ruin the UK economy in the vain hope that he will allow you another referendum?
I assume you are worried about the latest BBC project fear forecast that Boris's withdrawal deal will result in the UK economy growing by a 3% shortfall over the next 10 years, however Labour could in fact shrink it with only about 10% of it's ridiculous plans.
I do despair that you show such short sightedness.

[Gill W]

I made a statement about what is being said

I made no comment as to whether I was going to take this course of action or not.

Yet, once again Towny jumps to all sorts of conclusions, and even worse condemns me as a result of his assumptions.

This is why I don’t bother so much with this forum anymore

[david63]

The nightmare scenario would be Conservatives 200 seats, Labour 200 seats, Lib Dems and SNP 200 seats combined and the other 50 seats to the other parties.

Lib Dems and SNP would support Labour for a second referendum as long as it was slanted in favour of Remain but after that it would be anybody's guess what would happen.

It’s not so much voting FOR something, but rather voting against. The idea is that the tactical voters vote for the party most likely to defeat the Conservative candidate

I think that there will a lot of voters voting for the party that can get Brexit done and over with - one way or the other.

[towny44]

I made a statement about what is being said

I made no comment as to whether I was going to take this course of action or not.

Yet, once again Towny jumps to all sorts of conclusions, and even worse condemns me as a result of his assumptions.

This is why I don’t bother so much with this forum anymore

Sorry if I misunderstood your post Gill, but you did only mention tactical voting to stop Brexit by voting for anyone but Boris and the Tories, no comment about the possibility that some might vote tactically to ensure that Brexit happens. I just assumed you were indicating that's what you would be doing; and I don't think my concerns about where this would lead were at all exaggerated.

[Stephen]

My guess is no other party will get a look in. So the Conservatives get back in power and we are back where we started. Nothing's changed except the whole election saga has probably cost the tax payer millions.

[david63]

My guess is no other party will get a look in. So the Conservatives get back in power and we are back where we started.

In that scenario it will all depend on the majority that the Conservatives can command. If it is a working majority then Boris's deal will go through and we will be out.

If they cannot command a majority then you are right we will be back where we started.

Do we know what Labour's stance on Brexit will be in the GE? Are they still going to be dithering up to the ballot box?

If Labour do not come out one way or the other over Brexit then they will be dead in the water. My guess is that they will sit on the fence and say that there will be another referendum/people's vote

[towny44]

My guess is no other party will get a look in. So the Conservatives get back in power and we are back where we started.

In that scenario it will all depend on the majority that the Conservatives can command. If it is a working majority then Boris's deal will go through and we will be out.

If they cannot command a majority then you are right we will be back where we started.

Do we know what Labour's stance on Brexit will be in the GE? Are they still going to be dithering up to the ballot box?

If Labour do not come out one way or the other over Brexit then they will be dead in the water. My guess is that they will sit on the fence and say that there will be another referendum/people's vote

I am sure you're right David, but of course they will spin it to suggest that this is because the general public is split, not the Labour party.

[david63]

but of course they will spin it to suggest that this is because the general public is split, not the Labour party.

That together with trying to deflect the GE away from Brexit with all their grandiose plans will not, in my opinion, work.

For the vast majority of the electorate this GE is about Brexit, everything else is secondary, and voting will be based on which side of the fence each party is on.

If Labour do not have a clear "in/out" policy then they will be forced, by the public, to state which way they want to go and if they renege on it [again] then they are finished.The dilemma for Labour is that Corbyn is, and always has been, anti EU and he needs to be out of the EU in order to stand any chance of getting his policies through but he cannot leave without a deal, he does not like Boris's deal and probably knows deep down that he does not stand a cat in hells chance of re-negotiating the deal that he wants.

[Gill W]

Labour’s current position is that, within 3 months of being elected, they’d negotiate a ‘sensible Brexit deal’ and then put it to the country by way of referendum, with an option to remain.

Leaving aside the point that a ‘sensible Brexit deal’ is an oxymoron, it doesn’t address what would happen if they couldn’t negotiate a new deal.

Maybe this scenario will be addressed in their manifesto. But I’m not holding my breath.

[david63]

Labour’s current position is that, within 3 months of being elected, they’d negotiate a ‘sensible Brexit deal’ and then put it to the country by way of referendum, with an option to remain.

Even if that was feasible, let alone possible, it means that there would have to be another extension of probably six months to leaving the EU - does anyone believe that the EU would be up for that?

[Meg 50]

rather helpfully we have changed wards so our polling station instead of being 200 yds away and en route to all kinds of useful places is now a mile away at the top of a hill - a great disincentive to vote.

SD rarely votes and certainly won't do so when the station is the opposite direction to her route to work.

So I have downloaded postal vote forms for us both ( DH passes the polling station on his way to play tennis - so he's not bothered by the move).

But I still have no idea where to put my X.

when I last looked we were a marginal (about 500 majority - it was about 20 the election before).
The current MP is very efficient - but it's more than that when choosing an MP

[Stephen]

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[david63]

So that nice Mr Corbyn is going to "sort Brexit" within six months!

Would that be a normal six months or a Diane Abbott six months?

[Onelife]

rather helpfully we have changed wards so our polling station instead of being 200 yds away and en route to all kinds of useful places is now a mile away at the top of a hill - a great disincentive to vote.

SD rarely votes and certainly won't do so when the station is the opposite direction to her route to work.

So I have downloaded postal vote forms for us both ( DH passes the polling station on his way to play tennis - so he's not bothered by the move).

But I still have no idea where to put my X.

when I last looked we were a marginal (about 500 majority - it was about 20 the election before).
The current MP is very efficient - but it's more than that when choosing an MP

Hi Meg,

Your choice shouldn't be that difficult but if it helps here are 4 reasons not to vote labour...

Corbyn,
Mcdonald,
Abbott,
Thornbury.
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Then there is of course our 'Jo' (Swinson) who forgot to mention that the company her husband works for (Transparency International ) received a EU donation of 3.5 million. TI is a charitable organisation that operates out of Berlin.
You don't have to delve to deeply to find TI is less than transparent in many areas of its work... which begs the question, is she?

Vote Boris


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