Post Brexit: the reality

[Mervyn and Trish]

I think neither CMD nor the rest of the EU seriously believed we'd vote out which is why the deal he got was so pathetic and totally failed to recognise public concerns. Any offer to try to make us change our minds has to be better than a 7 year freeze. For me it would have to be a permanent return to control of our own borders and who has the right to come here and a permanent guarantee of the supremacy of our own courts and parliament.

[daib GC]

Bought of this thread to mind, when someone, on another forum said that the rudeness and arguments about sun beds lifts etc seen on a recent Britannia cruise, was down to Brexit.

Could there be something in this.





Dai

[oldbluefox]

I saw this comment but I doubt it daib. Some people are just plain rude and greedy, irrespective of Brexit, and the bigger the ship, proportionally the more you might expect to get. I suppose that's society for you.

[Silver_Shiney]

They already have Ken if today's papers are to be believed. A seven year freeze on migration in return for us keep funding their social project. I think brexit means out not some fudged compromise. They could have offered that to Cameron and maybe got a different result. What it tells me is that the eu doesn't have the whip hand as much as some may think.

If that is true, it says to me that they need us more than we need them.

[Peter D]

Actually Peter since this planet is within the expansion zone of the sun so it is more than likely the planet will burn up long before the sun explodes .... but I would be more inclined to think that brexit and remain would be equally responsible in that scenario ... the difference is that remain would have warned it was going to happen (3 million years previous) and brexit would have said it was an impossibility, right up to the point of crispy deep fried earth (and only that way because Scotland would be unaffected and they like to deep fry anything that doesn't move).

Ken it was a joke. maybe something that Remainers cannot understand.

[Kendhni]

Actually Peter since this planet is within the expansion zone of the sun so it is more than likely the planet will burn up long before the sun explodes .... but I would be more inclined to think that brexit and remain would be equally responsible in that scenario ... the difference is that remain would have warned it was going to happen (3 million years previous) and brexit would have said it was an impossibility, right up to the point of crispy deep fried earth (and only that way because Scotland would be unaffected and they like to deep fry anything that doesn't move).

Ken it was a joke. maybe something that Remainers cannot understand.

Peter, my reply was a joke as well - maybe remainers don't have a monopoly on not understanding

[Kendhni]

They already have Ken if today's papers are to be believed. A seven year freeze on migration in return for us keep funding their social project. I think brexit means out not some fudged compromise. They could have offered that to Cameron and maybe got a different result. What it tells me is that the eu doesn't have the whip hand as much as some may think.

If that is true, it says to me that they need us more than we need them.

Follow the money, the EU is about to lose somewhere in the region of £7-9bn of funding per year. OK, in the bigger picture it isn't a huge amount but it is still significant.

[Mervyn and Trish]

And if they lose that either the budgets will have to be cut, something the EU has demonstrated it is not good at, or the remaining contributors will have to stump up more. So we'll see how much their free movement principle actually matters to them

[barney]

I honestly think that the exit from the EU will be determined by the attitude of the UK negotiators.

The UK has no need to go cap in hand.

The starting point has to be free access without free movement to work and settle.

it's unlikely the EU will accept that so the next question is what kind of access with no free movement?

From our point of view, the UK would prefer a tariff free agreement but if the EU feels the need to impose tariffs, to send a message to other member states, then we can invoke WTO tariffs, both ways.
That may or may not be acceptable to the EU but really, they have no choice. That is the rules.

So then the ball is back in their court.
Do they want to negotiate something that suits both parties better?
I kind of expect that they will when the penny drops that the UK has set up numerous trade deals around the world, in double quick time, while the cumbersome EU are still debating issues for years.

In the meantime, although there could well be a short term shock to the UK economy, the writing will be on the wall, that the UK is open for business with whoever wants to deal with us.
Our short term shock will also be the EU's short term shock, on top of all the other problems they have with most of the EU economies being stagnant or worse!

I think that the doom mongers have over stated the potential long term risks and as long as the government get their backsides into gear and act positively and swiftly, it could all work to our advantage.

We seriously cannot vote for change and then expect no change, but, change can be a good thing if handled correctly.

So, I'd like to see no back sliding on this issue.

The question on the ballot paper was very specific.

Stay in the EU or Leave the EU.

There was no mention of some watered down version.

We should 100% leave and get the best deal for all concerned

If this government attempts some kind of midway compromise, to appease, the Bremoaners, I can seriously see the rise of UKIP as a major political force right across this country.

EDIT < what has happened to QuizicalBob? , haven't heard from him for ages !
Anyone know?

[qbman1]

I honestly think that the exit from the EU will be determined by the attitude of the UK negotiators.

The UK has no need to go cap in hand.

The starting point has to be free access without free movement to work and settle.

it's unlikely the EU will accept that so the next question is what kind of access with no free movement?

From our point of view, the UK would prefer a tariff free agreement but if the EU feels the need to impose tariffs, to send a message to other member states, then we can invoke WTO tariffs, both ways.
That may or may not be acceptable to the EU but really, they have no choice. That is the rules.

So then the ball is back in their court.
Do they want to negotiate something that suits both parties better?
I kind of expect that they will when the penny drops that the UK has set up numerous trade deals around the world, in double quick time, while the cumbersome EU are still debating issues for years.

In the meantime, although there could well be a short term shock to the UK economy, the writing will be on the wall, that the UK is open for business with whoever wants to deal with us.
Our short term shock will also be the EU's short term shock, on top of all the other problems they have with most of the EU economies being stagnant or worse!

I think that the doom mongers have over stated the potential long term risks and as long as the government get their backsides into gear and act positively and swiftly, it could all work to our advantage.

We seriously cannot vote for change and then expect no change, but, change can be a good thing if handled correctly.

So, I'd like to see no back sliding on this issue.

The question on the ballot paper was very specific.

Stay in the EU or Leave the EU.

There was no mention of some watered down version.

We should 100% leave and get the best deal for all concerned

If this government attempts some kind of midway compromise, to appease, the Bremoaners, I can seriously see the rise of UKIP as a major political force right across this country.

EDIT < what has happened to QuizicalBob? , haven't heard from him for ages !
Anyone know?

QBob's busy packing !!

[oldbluefox]

If he's into exports he will be very busy at work. Every cloud has a silver lining.

Hope he's OK.

[qbman1]

I'm sure he's fine - can't sulk forever !

[qbman1]

Sorry, QBob - I know you'll be reading this !!

[Gill W]

I think the title of the thread is a misnomer.

We're nowhere near post Brexit yet - it hasn't even started.

In the last month there has been a massive upheaval with a new PM and new cabinet and the labour party appears to be imploding on itself.

There now appears to be a lull while they all go on holiday and people draw a breath.

they've now got to work out how to Brexit, and there'll be plenty of opportunity for uncertain times ahead.

[Mervyn and Trish]

And let's not forget we've had plenty of uncertain times while there was no prospect of leaving the EU, so let's not allow the moaners to blame every hiccup on Brexit. It's not that long ago we had the Pound almost on parity with the Euro, for example, when there wasn't even a hint of Brexit.

[towny44]

Can someone please explain to me why the pound dropped so low when nothing has actually changed yet and it will be 2019 at the earliest before we actually leave.
Is it those wicked bankers that set the exchange rates who are making illegal/illicit/immoral profits or is it just that no one in the city has any bloody idea what's going on.

[qbman1]

Interestingly, at the flower demo we attended last night, the Demonstrator commented that the cost of wholesale flowers has increased by 40% since the referendum result was announced. Now, there can be no reason for that other than blatant profiteering and it risks putting the livelihoods of a lot of florists and related businesses out of action. They will have quoted prices for weddings and other events up to a year in advance and their profits have been removed at a stroke.

In the longer term it may see the re-growth of the British flower industry, which can be no bad thing - so two fingers to Holland and the rest of Europe!

[brillo]

Everything will be more expensive,
Jobs will go,
All the brexeteers will deny voting for it.

[poole boy]

brillo

I have not spoken to anybody who voted for brexit and who now regrets it but I have spoken to quite a few people who voted to remain and now regret listening to the lies of the remain group

[oldbluefox]

Not really sure why Brexiteers should deny voting for out. This one won't. Standing on our own two feet may be the shot in the arm out of complacency that this nation needs (puns not intended!!!)

[Silver_Shiney]

Absolutely right. We're going to suffer a financial crash soon anyway, a major market correction is long overdue, whether we're "in" or "out". With several countries apparently lining up to forge trade deals with us, I reckon we'll recover quicker without the albatross of the EU around our necks

[barney]

I agree

Some are already using the Brexit as an excuse.

See the story attached from Canterbury

It appears that this long standing building company is winding up one part of the firm, to avoid paying creditors and sub-contactors while using Brexit as the excuse.
Ironically, the Parent Company will continue to trade

Absolutely shameful.

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/ ... ion-99603/

Read it through to the comments below to see what people really think

Remember back to when we went 'decimal' and prices mysteriously shot up !!!!!
Everything that happened was because we went decimal .

[brillo]

Brexit is the cause not the excuse !!!

[towny44]

Brexit is the cause not the excuse !!!

Brillo, why are you so bitter about losing the referendum? If the vote had been to remain I hope I would have accepted it with better grace than you have accepted a remain defeat.

[Silver_Shiney]

Brexit is the cause not the excuse !!!

Brillo, why are you so bitter about losing the referendum? If the vote had been to remain I hope I would have accepted it with better grace than you have accepted a remain defeat.