Post Brexit: the reality

[barney]

Sorry brillo but that is absolute boll*cks

Most construction firms down here have more work than they can handle at the moment
If this one doesn't, it's more down to poor management than any future Brexit

This is sheer opportunism, to stiff their creditors and sub-contractors and should be made illegal

I know of another company in Ashford who regularly 'fold' one part of the company to write off debt.
The' holding' company distances itself from numerous Ltd companies with very similar sounding names, all under the same umbrella.

Not illegal but certainly very immoral when they don't pay their sub-contractors.

I have a friend who has a successful curtain wall façade company who will not deal with many of these 'big boys' because of the risk and payment terms.

This has been going on for years and is certainly nothing to do with June 23rd, as the local rag suggests.

11,000 people lose their jobs at BHS - Brexit ? Nah! a crook!
Thousands of steel jobs at risk from Tata - Brexit - nope, announced before June 23rd.

40+ years of EU membership and 1,000's jobs lost and gained
One month after the vote to leave (incidentally, we are still in for now) and everything is due to Brexit

Grow up mate and grow a pair.

[Onelife]

GDP up 0.6%

Growth in gross domestic product was stronger than expected in the quarter, and was up from 0.4% growth in the previous three months, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.
Any uncertainty ahead of the referendum seemed to have a "limited" effect, the ONS said.
On an annual basis, growth was 2.2%.
ONS chief economist Joe Grice said: "Continued strong growth across services, particularly in retailing, reinforced by healthy growth in the manufacture of cars and pharmaceuticals, boosted output in the second quarter.
"Any uncertainties in the run-up to the referendum seem to have had a limited effect. Very few respondents to ONS surveys cited such uncertainties as negatively impacting their businesses."
This is the first estimate of second-quarter economic activity and is based on less than half the data that will give the eventual figure.

[qbman1]

In the news today GSK is set to invest £275m in the UK market despite the leave vote (they vociferously supported remain)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36901027

[Dark Knight]

I accept it is early in the proceedings to say for definite what will or wont happen but the doom laden predictions that underpinned the remain camps position do not seem to coming to fruition, in fact quite the opposite
I find it sad that the remain camp cannot accept the result in a gracious manner and are still behaving like toddlers, no doubt they will be blaming Brexit for the slightest thing, from now till the day they pop their clogs.
Why not just get on board with the new UK political structure and be positive ?

[Silver_Shiney]

I know of another company in Ashford who regularly 'fold' one part of the company to write off debt.
The' holding' company distances itself from numerous Ltd companies with very similar sounding names, all under the same umbrella.

Not illegal but certainly very immoral when they don't pay their sub-contractors.

Coldseal double-glazing regularly did that...

[oldbluefox]

In the news today GSK is set to invest £275m in the UK market despite the leave vote (they vociferously supported remain)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36901027

This may have happened with or without Brexit but it is encouraging that it is going ahead despite the Brexit vote and goes contrary to what the Remain campaign predicted. Clearly GSK are confident in what the future holds.
And long may it last,

[Silver_Shiney]

I accept it is early in the proceedings to say for definite what will or wont happen but the doom laden predictions that underpinned the remain camps position do not seem to coming to fruition, in fact quite the opposite
I find it sad that the remain camp cannot accept the result in a gracious manner and are still behaving like toddlers, no doubt they will be blaming Brexit for the slightest thing, from now till the day they pop their clogs.
Why not just get on board with the new UK political structure and be positive ?

They are being positive - they're positive that the Remain camp is right and that catastrophe is the only result that will come from leaving the EU (despite signs to the contrary)

[oldbluefox]

I know of another company in Ashford who regularly 'fold' one part of the company to write off debt.
The' holding' company distances itself from numerous Ltd companies with very similar sounding names, all under the same umbrella.

Not illegal but certainly very immoral when they don't pay their sub-contractors.

Coldseal double-glazing regularly did that...

It should be made illegal as it leads to sub contractors folding as a consequence, especially when they start up again under a slightly different name.

[Silver_Shiney]

I know of another company in Ashford who regularly 'fold' one part of the company to write off debt.
The' holding' company distances itself from numerous Ltd companies with very similar sounding names, all under the same umbrella.

Not illegal but certainly very immoral when they don't pay their sub-contractors.

Coldseal double-glazing regularly did that...

It should be made illegal as it leads to sub contractors folding as a consequence, especially when they start up again under a slightly different name.

Also, as happened with Coldseal, customers are left with worthless guarantees that the "new" company (complete with identical logos etc, just the company number has changed) refuse to honour. Criminal.

[oldbluefox]

............................ and some double glazing guarantees go with the person not with the house, so if you move, the new occupant ends up with no guarantee rights. I presume if you sell the house you are meant to take the windows with you!!!
When we bought the current house we had problems with the conservatory. The installer said he needed the plans in order to carry out the work under guarantee despite the fact the previous occupant had left receipts etc. Of course we didn't have any plans but, oddly enough, the very same installer had plans when it came to sorting the problem out. Some of them are no more than sharks and crooks!!!
Back on topic they will use any excuse and Brexit seems to be the favourite now.

[Silver_Shiney]

Whatever happened to honesty and integrity? Biting the bullet and owning up to your own failures instead of blaming someone/thing else? Taking responsibility for your actions?

Or would that be against the culprit's "yuman rites"?

[oldbluefox]

Why do tradesmen always suck their teeth when they are asked to do something they don't want to do? It always seems to mean they can't do it or if they can it means another few hundred pounds on the bill.

[Silver_Shiney]

Dunno but they've been doing it for eons, so we can't blame Brexit for that one.

[Gill W]

GDP up 0.6%

Growth in gross domestic product was stronger than expected in the quarter, and was up from 0.4% growth in the previous three months, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.
Any uncertainty ahead of the referendum seemed to have a "limited" effect, the ONS said.
On an annual basis, growth was 2.2%.
ONS chief economist Joe Grice said: "Continued strong growth across services, particularly in retailing, reinforced by healthy growth in the manufacture of cars and pharmaceuticals, boosted output in the second quarter.
"Any uncertainties in the run-up to the referendum seem to have had a limited effect. Very few respondents to ONS surveys cited such uncertainties as negatively impacting their businesses."
This is the first estimate of second-quarter economic activity and is based on less than half the data that will give the eventual figure.

The 'limited ' effect in the run up to the referendum was probably because nobody really thought that the electorate would vote to leave!

It'll be interesting to see what Q3 and Q4 look like

The EU have appointed a lead negotiator for the Brexit negotiations

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... or-losing/

He'll take up his role on 1st October, so it indicates the EU are keen to get on with it.

[qbman1]

Dunno but they've been doing it for eons, so we can't blame Brexit for that one.

I know of a few who can !

[Gill W]

I accept it is early in the proceedings to say for definite what will or wont happen but the doom laden predictions that underpinned the remain camps position do not seem to coming to fruition, in fact quite the opposite
I find it sad that the remain camp cannot accept the result in a gracious manner and are still behaving like toddlers, no doubt they will be blaming Brexit for the slightest thing, from now till the day they pop their clogs.
Why not just get on board with the new UK political structure and be positive ?

They are being positive - they're positive that the Remain camp is right and that catastrophe is the only result that will come from leaving the EU (despite signs to the contrary)

Nobody knows what will happen yet.

I think it's premature for Leavers to think everything will be plain sailing.

All of us need to wait and see

[Silver_Shiney]

Nobody knows what will happen yet.

I think it's premature for Leavers to think everything will be plain sailing.

All of us need to wait and see

I've not seen or heard anyone from the Leave camp saying it will be plain sailing. While I agree that it is premature to think it might be, it is also premature (and somewhat irresponsible) for the Remainers to be adamant that catastrophe looms. As I said the other day, the fact of the matter is that no-one knows what the facts of the matter are.

[towny44]

............................ and some double glazing guarantees go with the person not with the house, so if you move, the new occupant ends up with no guarantee rights. I presume if you sell the house you are meant to take the windows with you!!!
When we bought the current house we had problems with the conservatory. The installer said he needed the plans in order to carry out the work under guarantee despite the fact the previous occupant had left receipts etc. Of course we didn't have any plans but, oddly enough, the very same installer had plans when it came to sorting the problem out. Some of them are no more than sharks and crooks!!!
Back on topic they will use any excuse and Brexit seems to be the favourite now.

So since the EU was so great why have these sort of practises not been made illegal by them, I await with interest any answers from our moaning Bremainers.

[oldbluefox]

It's because not everything was rosy in the garden, unless you lived in one of those areas which were receiving large amounts of funding, which is why the rest of the country wanted out.
Not sure what happened in Wales since they had received a lot of money, unless it was all spent in Cardiff and those in the valleys felt left out.

[johnds]

Brexit is the cause not the excuse !!!

Apart from ill tempered one liners without any attempt at justification have you anything useful to contribute

[Mervyn and Trish]

Of course no one knows for sure what will happen long term but we have an opportunity to work for a brighter future if we choose to do so. I'm sure there will be short term shocks and readjustments but then those have happened regularly within the EU. Being in the EU didn't prevent us suffering our worst recession for many decades.

But those constantly talking down the country are just downright irresponsible. The markets and business work on confidence. The pound isn't down because anything bad has actually happened yet but because people like CMD, Ozzie and Carnage said they would if we voted out.

And despite the three of them, especially the last two, regularly making duff economic predictions the markets are daft enough to believe them.

We need a more positive attitude and I'm pleased the new government seem to be adopting one. The vote has been made. Now let's get on and take advantage of what a future free of the EU offers.

[towny44]

I just hope that David Davis is man enough to say "non" to the mad arch federalist Michel Barnier that Juncker the plonker has put in charge of EU Brexit negotiations.

[Raybosailor]

Of course no one knows for sure what will happen long term but we have an opportunity to work for a brighter future if we choose to do so. I'm sure there will be short term shocks and readjustments but then those have happened regularly within the EU. Being in the EU didn't prevent us suffering our worst recession for many decades.

But those constantly talking down the country are just downright irresponsible. The markets and business work on confidence. The pound isn't down because anything bad has actually happened yet but because people like CMD, Ozzie and Carnage said they would if we voted out.

And despite the three of them, especially the last two, regularly making duff economic predictions the markets are daft enough to believe them.

We need a more positive attitude and I'm pleased the new government seem to be adopting one. The vote has been made. Now let's get on and take advantage of what a future free of the EU offers.

Well said Merv, have people forgot how the UK prospered before joining the EU ? or are the negatives coming from people born post entry to the EU.

[Silver_Shiney]

Well said Merv, have people forgot how the UK prospered before joining the EU ? or are the negatives coming from people born post entry to the EU.

or from those whose gravy train is about to be derailed?

[Silver_Shiney]

Interesting comment from a Remainer...:

First the comments from Ronald Olden: "the purpose of a business is to make money for its shareholders, not to provide routine ... services for people". Is this really where we have got to, the belief that a business is there just for the sake of its shareholders? I then read on to learn that Lloyds was "was slashing 3,000 jobs thanks to the post-Brexit uncertainty". Lloyds is slashing jobs because the role of internet banking has meant there is no longer much requirement for branch banking. It is also partly due to lack of profitability caused by the low-interest rates, which in turn are a result of the 2008 crash that was exacerbated by the greed of bankers. And also because Lloyds Bank is most appallingly badly managed. I know - I worked there. I voted strongly (a bold X) to Remain. But we now have to live for and support the future, blaming everything on Brexit does not help anyone."