Post Brexit: the reality

[Ray Scully]

Yes go go go. The most damaging thing is uncertainty. Let's get through that and build our independent future.

no way I'm joining the Lemmings

[poole boy]

merv
totally agree with you
graham

[oldbluefox]

Yes go go go. The most damaging thing is uncertainty. Let's get through that and build our independent future.

Let's get on with it.

[Silver_Shiney]

Yes go go go. The most damaging thing is uncertainty. Let's get through that and build our independent future.

no way I'm joining the Lemmings

which one are you?

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[Silver_Shiney]

from the Olympics thread...

Understanding cannot be forced on those who chooses to be ignorant.

Shouldn't that be them wot chooses?

Annie, an iggnorent Bregziteer

I quite agree with you, Annie. What Ray seems to have difficulty understanding is that, as I, and others, have repeatedly said, it is simply too early to state if leaving that corrupt organisation known as the EU is to our nation's benefit or not. As I said, so far it seems as if things are okay. To state (as though it were fact) that Brexit is a bad move is very foolish when we do not know at this point, and to infer ignorance on those who support Brexit is, frankly, rude.

Once the dust has settled and this once-great nation has made new trade agreements with other countries, including those within the EU, we'll have a better idea of the rights and wrongs of the decision.

[barney]

Great Britain

We punch above our weight in so many things, be it sport, science, or business.

This is an innovative and powerful country and STILL some of the so called experts are happy to talk us down.

Lower than ever unemployment figures were announced today.
Headlines? Nope!

Only negative news hits the front page from our biased broadcasters.

BBC & Sky really still don't like it and The Guardian readership is in meltdown, desperately looking for downsides to justify their doom and gloom.

The simple fact is that the majority who voted, voted for change.
You cannot vote for change and then not expect any, and short term, there will be a few wobbles, but longer term, the UK should flourish and a stand alone nation.

[Ray Scully]

If I can take any assuagement from the referendum result it will be that I won't have anything on my conscience if it all goes dramatically wrong. Perversely I hope that for the good of all that it is a resounding success, but still remain very very doubtful

[barney]

I'd say to you Ray, please do some basic research into the current state of all of the other EU countries, including Germany.

Then honestly ask yourself whether you would like to continue to be shackled to that.

If your honest answer is yes, then your vote was, in your mind correct.

Others can see the way it is going, and it doesn't look pretty.

If a down turn in the UK economy is the price to pay, then so be it.

I'm a happy Brexiter

[Silver_Shiney]

I'd say to you Ray, please do some basic research into the current state of all of the other EU countries, including Germany.

Then honestly ask yourself whether you would like to continue to be shackled to that.

If your honest answer is yes, then your vote was, in your mind correct.

Others can see the way it is going, and it doesn't look pretty.

If a down turn in the UK economy is the price to pay, then so be it.

I'm a happy Brexiter

[Dark Knight]

Raymond you old naysayer
just take comfort that your huge final salary payments will cushion you and the rest of the baby boomers from any real hardship, perhaps you might want to be more concerned for your grandchildren, who most likely won't be able to get on the property ladder, won't have a state pension and are living in debt due to the Golden generation pillaging the economy for years....just a thought

Nobody knows what the next decade will hold but it has to be better than clinging to the wreckage of the fourth reich's vision of Europe???

[Silver_Shiney]

Raymond you old naysayer
just take comfort that your huge final salary payments will cushion you and the rest of the baby boomers from any real hardship, perhaps you might want to be more concerned for your grandchildren, who most likely won't be able to get on the property ladder, won't have a state pension and are living in debt due to the Golden generation pillaging the economy for years....just a thought

Nobody knows what the next decade will hold but it has to be better than clinging to the wreckage of the fourth reich's vision of Europe???

... what he said!!

[Manoverboard]

The Golden Generation will indeed enjoy living off the benefit of our huge final salary pensions, however, the advantage will be that our children / grandchildren will one day benefit from the vast fortunes that we will bequeath them whereas our own parents and grandparents were for the most part unable to leave us GG types anything at all.

[Dark Knight]

Moby
by the time your "vast fortune" is taxed to the hilt and you have paid all the due taxes, and your children have paid the same ,your grandchildren will be lucky to afford a tent in a farmers field.
Perhaps the GG should start giving some it away now to avoid the tax mans levy ?

[Silver_Shiney]

Moby
by the time your "vast fortune" is taxed to the hilt and you have paid all the due taxes, and your children have paid the same ,your grandchildren will be lucky to afford a tent in a farmers field.
Perhaps the GG should start giving some it away now to avoid the tax mans levy?

Make sure you outlast the gift by 7 years though, otherwise tax is still payable

[Manoverboard]

You should be telling Ray ... I am already giving ours to the Riverboat operators as fast as I can

[Stephen]

I'm taking it all with me when I pop off, not there is much to start with

[Ray Scully]

Moby
by the time your "vast fortune" is taxed to the hilt and you have paid all the due taxes, and your children have paid the same ,your grandchildren will be lucky to afford a tent in a farmers field.
Perhaps the GG should start giving some it away now to avoid the tax mans levy?

Make sure you outlast the gift by 7 years though, otherwise tax is still payable

DN I have no problems with paying my taxes and I think that all houses should be taxed as a capital gain when sold. Did you not Know that Altruism is my middle name

[towny44]

I realise that Brexit is now a bit old hat but I listened to part of a 5 live phone in discussion on the subject the other morning and the remain supporters were all talking about 'The single market' as though it was some kind of holy Grail.
Now surely its only some sort of extended customs union, with the added disadvantages of free movement of labour, and having to adopt all the same external customs tariffs, not really rocket science.
So when it comes to the Brexit negotiations if the EU wish to retain their access to the UK market, which just happens to be their largest export market, then surely its up to them to relinquish some of their regulations which we don't want attached to any new free trade agreement with them, ie free movement of labour, now how difficult should that be to sort out?

[oldbluefox]

I presume if they allow that it would open the doors to others in the EU who also oppose free movement. As it stands there are quite a few countries in the EU/Schengen Agreement who are now looking to close their borders anyway.
My belief is that there will be major changes to the EU over the next few years precipitated by the Brexit result.

[barney]

It sort of depends on political dogma towny.

Common sense would dictate that a mutually beneficial agreement should suit all parties.

But then chuck the EU into the mix.

They seem to rule by fear. Fear that if the UK is given 'special' terms, then others may want to follow.
Who on earth would want to belong to an organisation governed by fear.

I think that our starting point must be zero tariffs, with no future contributions and no free movement.
The EU will never accept that, but that should be the start point.
The only thing really to be decided is what level of tariffs, both ways and the status of British people living in EU countries
That will dictate the terms for EU nationals living here.

All this rubbish about having to deal with 27 counties is baffling. The EU (Germany) speaks for them all at the end of the day.

[oldbluefox]

I cannot believe EU countries are going to repatriate all the Brits who have gone to live abroad. Countries such as Spain and Italy have enough economic problems of their own anyway but imagine all the empty houses flooding the market, shops which would lose their customers, whole communities decimated plus all the tradesmen who would be lost to the local economy. Similarly what would be the effect on our own economy if we returned all the EU migrants who have made their homes in UK and have settled into work here? The fact is we need the migrants who have settled here just as much as the EU needs our expats.
After Brexit I imagine we would still need to recruit from abroad to fill gaps in our labour market, either on a long term basis or on short term work permits, the difference being that we would have full control over who was coming into the country and for how long.
I see the EU is still struggling to negotiate trade deals with the US. How long has this been going on and still this behemoth cannot complete the task.

[Silver_Shiney]

I know what you're saying, Foxy, but a friend of ours, very many years ago, jumped through many hoops to be allowed to buy a plot of land and build a villa in Corfu, which they used as a holiday home several times a year.

It's just been confiscated and they're not even allowed back to collect their clothes and stuff.

[towny44]

I know what you're saying, Foxy, but a friend of ours, very many years ago, jumped through many hoops to be allowed to buy a plot of land and build a villa in Corfu, which they used as a holiday home several times a year.

It's just been confiscated and they're not even allowed back to collect their clothes and stuff.

But is that a result of Brexit or just some local regulations that have yet to be tested in Greek courts?

[Golden Princess]

"The fact is we need the migrants who have settled here just as much as the EU needs our expats."

Dont mean to nitpick - just use this as an example of speech. It amuses me that it is migrants who come here, but expats who go there!!

[Silver_Shiney]

I know what you're saying, Foxy, but a friend of ours, very many years ago, jumped through many hoops to be allowed to buy a plot of land and build a villa in Corfu, which they used as a holiday home several times a year.

It's just been confiscated and they're not even allowed back to collect their clothes and stuff.

But is that a result of Brexit or just some local regulations that have yet to be tested in Greek courts?

Don't know what happened to my first reply to John, so apologies if this comes up twice... it was definitely not due to Brexit, as the villa was confiscated a year ago, but if they could do it then, they'll undoubtedly use Brexit as an excuse for doing it again