towny44 wrote: ↑
14 Jun 2018, 09:08
Jack Staff wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2018, 17:37
Manoverboard wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2018, 14:33
Westminster had no real power, it had been given away in ongoing Treaties.
Which treaties? What was given away?
My grand Nephew has just finished his politics and business degree at Bath, and his final thesis was on the Brexit referendum. He tells me that Maastricht was the defining treaty that lost us, and all others, their vetos, and started the EU on the final leg of its ultimate aim of a federal europe. He believes that if the Tories had not stabbed Maggie in the back that she, and therefore the UK Govt. would never have agreed to sign this treaty, but we will never know if this would have happened and what the outcome would then have been.
I understand the point under discussion here is that 'HMG had no power to solve it's own problems' (or something close).
"Obviously, the EU does not get involved in all legislation.
Parliament retains control over the fundamental decisions: how much of our income is directly taxed, how much of that money is spent on welfare, health and education, how our streets and borders are policed, when and where our armed forces go to war, what our foreign policy is towards the rest of the world, and so on.
And if the UK does co-operate with the EU on any of these issues, it is voluntary and the government can either veto a proposal or choose not to take part.
The UK has opted out of some EU laws and agreements, including economic and monetary union (the euro), the border-free Schengen zone, the charter of fundamental rights, and some security and justice issues."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... m-36247456
A BBC article from back when it was trying to put both sides.
Your grand Nephew will know Dr Galpin then, a friend of ours.
Testiculi ad Brexitum. Venceremos.