Brexit

[towny44]

Jack, no one can tell you exactly how leaving thel EU will affect you because no one knows, leavers hope that all will be well as we shake off the EU shackles but we can't be certain.
If you want certainty I suggest you try N Korea, you will then be certain that things are bad and likely to get worse, but if you want to stay here you have to be prepared to expect the unexpected, and like me believe that life outside the EU, even if we are poorer, will be far, far, far better than being in it.

Brexit is a cult.

Jedi warriors against the evil EU empire.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, no one can tell you exactly how leaving thel EU will affect you because no one knows, leavers hope that all will be well as we shake off the EU shackles but we can't be certain.
If you want certainty I suggest you try N Korea, you will then be certain that things are bad and likely to get worse, but if you want to stay here you have to be prepared to expect the unexpected, and like me believe that life outside the EU, even if we are poorer, will be far, far, far better than being in it.

Brexit is a cult.

Jedi warriors against the evil EU empire.

Brilliant . But you have got things the wrong way round. The remainers are the Bresistance against the evil empire of Dacre, Banks, Russian money....

[barney]

So how did leave win ? By about 1·2 million votes.

[Jack Staff]

So how did leave win ? By about 1·2 million votes.

Remain polled 24.8%
Leave won by 1,269,501 votes.
What's the problem, apart from the vote being illegal of course?

[Jack Staff]

“The British people have been duped by Brexit shysters” is now on the Hansard record. And what is Jeremy Corbyn doing about it? Nothing.

[barney]

It's actually getting a bit embarrassing now mate. Go and have a drink. An illegal vote called by a legitimate government. Unless of course Cameron was an illegal Prime minister

[Jack Staff]

It's actually getting a bit embarrassing now mate. Go and have a drink. An illegal vote called by a legitimate government. Unless of course Cameron was an illegal Prime minister

Let the law take it's course...

[barney]

Clutching at straws again I thought it was the Russians.

[Jack Staff]

Clutching at straws again

With a 'long arm'

I thought it was the Russians.

Who else could have funded such shenanigans?

[oldbluefox]

All I know for sure is that after 45 years of membership only about 30% of folk thought that it was worth staying in.

Only 26.7% of folk voted out.

............and fewer voted to remain.

[Jack Staff]

All I know for sure is that after 45 years of membership only about 30% of folk thought that it was worth staying in.

Only 26.7% of folk voted out.

............and fewer voted to remain.

Keep up! Page 18 now,

[oldbluefox]

All I know for sure is that after 45 years of membership only about 30% of folk thought that it was worth staying in.

Only 26.7% of folk voted out.

............and fewer voted to remain.

Keep up! Page 18 now,

Is that the best you can do Jack or have you convinced yourself that Remain did win the referendum?
By the way if you check your settings Page Number depends on how many posts you choose to each page so it varies from poster to poster.

[Jack Staff]

Only 26.7% of folk voted out.

............and fewer voted to remain.

Keep up! Page 18 now,

Is that the best you can do Jack or have you convinced yourself that Remain did win the referendum?
By the way if you check your settings Page Number depends on how many posts you choose to each page so it varies from poster to poster.

True, but later on in the thread, if you were keeping up...

So how did leave win ? By about 1·2 million votes.

Remain polled 24.8%
Leave won by 1,269,501 votes.
What's the problem, apart from the vote being illegal of course?

So me actually typing "Leave won by 1,269,501 votes" kinda proves I have not convinced myself that "Remain did win the referendum". Though whether that result was legal is another question.

[Stephen]

You just won't let it go Jack will you.

[Jack Staff]

Luckily, for the country, I'm not the only one.

[Onelife]

Hi Jack,

You have posted that the referendum was illegal (not constitutional binding) this being the case wouldn't that make a 2nd referendum illegal?

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The present Government have honoured the public vote, as would a labour party so perhaps it's time you form a new "Democracy doesn't matter party"?

[anniec]

Hi Jack,

You have posted that the referendum was illegal (not constitutional binding) this being the case wouldn't that make a 2nd referendum illegal?

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The present Government have honoured the public vote, as would a labour party so perhaps it's time you form a new "Democracy doesn't matter party"?

And would it make the 1975 referendum illegal, the one which kept us in the then Common Market?

[Mervyn and Trish]

I've seen "the referendum was illegal"

I've seen "the referendum wasn't binding"

I've seen "we must respect the wishes of those who voted the other way"

I've seen "democracy is not one vote, it's an ongoing process"

I wonder if the same people would be saying the same things if the vote had been 52/48 the other way?

Would they be saying maybe you want to change your minds?

No, of course not. We would be stuck in the EU with "ever closer union" for ever.

[Jack Staff]

I've seen "the referendum was illegal"

I've seen "the referendum wasn't binding"

I've seen "we must respect the wishes of those who voted the other way"

I've seen "democracy is not one vote, it's an ongoing process"

I wonder if the same people would be saying the same things if the vote had been 52/48 the other way?

Would they be saying maybe you want to change your minds?

No, of course not. We would be stuck in the EU with "ever closer union" for ever.

"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."
Nigel Farage May 2016
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... m-36306681

So I agree with Nigel Farage on this point.

[Jack Staff]

Hi Jack,

You have posted that the referendum was illegal (not constitutional binding) this being the case wouldn't that make a 2nd referendum illegal?

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The present Government have honoured the public vote, as would a labour party so perhaps it's time you form a new "Democracy doesn't matter party"?

Why would a properly conducted referendum be illegal?

If Croatia had cheated last night, you (and I) would be the first to demand that we take the victory or at the very least a rematch.

Someone cheats in the Olympics, they have their medal taken away.

True the referendum was not binding, that's not the point. The point is they broke the law.

[Stephen]

Who says? .

[Jack Staff]

Who says? .

Leave.EU fined for multiple breaches of electoral law following investigation

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/ ... estigation

But this is just the start. There's plenty more to follow

[Mervyn and Trish]

One campaign group breaking the law doesn't mean the referendum was illegal.

[Jack Staff]

One campaign group breaking the law doesn't mean the referendum was illegal.

Only if you are on the winning team.

The referendum was bought.

I would have thought that would have given you some food for thought. But obviously not.

[barney]

Little mention of the 9 million that Cameron spent, of our money pre referendum trying to convince me to stay. I've still got my copy. After all I paid for it.