Brexit

[Gill W]

Towny, To be fair, it’s not just Jack who’s saying that. There’s been any number of experts comments in the media regarding the negative effects of Brexit. Outside of the Daily Mail, the Express and Boris Johnson, I haven’t recently seen any positive comments regarding the effects of Brexit. That may be my confirmation bias of course. But I try to read all points of view, and there’s virtually nothing positive being said about Brexit

[Jack Staff]

Regarding going back in - I’m sure I read ages ago, that new countries to the EU have to commit to converting to the Euro. So I think any return would be subject to us accepting the Euro. I suspect even many Remainers would baulk at that.

Yes, we would have to 'commit' to converting to the Euro, if we do actually leave (there could be a fudge where we just take leave of absence???).

But Sweden and Poland are also in this situation, still using their Krona and Zloty as there is no actual time limit to the commitment.

[Gill W]

Regarding going back in - I’m sure I read ages ago, that new countries to the EU have to commit to converting to the Euro. So I think any return would be subject to us accepting the Euro. I suspect even many Remainers would baulk at that.

Yes, we would have to 'commit' to converting to the Euro, if we do actually leave (there could be a fudge where we just take leave of absence???).

But Sweden and Poland are also in this situation, still using their Krona and Zloty as there is no actual time limit to the commitment.

Leave of absence sounds reassuring to me - but I doubt if most of the other contributors to this thread would like it. Brexit means Brexit and all that!

Interesting that the commitment to join the Euro seems quite open ended.

[Jack Staff]

Nothing anti democratic in realising you have been 'sold a pup' Any government can be kicked out after 5 years, a disastrous leaving the EU will affect generations.

I beg to differ. A disastrous Brexit will ruin the country. But it will mean the Brextremists will be exposed for the charlatans that they are.
Voted out and we rejoin within a year or two.

Of course it does mean your Real-Smugs will make a mint as we leave and then another one as our economy recovers when we get back in the fold.

.... but just whose money is it that they will be 'making' anyway????

Jack, you keep asking us to provide proof that Brexit will be beneficial, and yet you offer up a very similar unprovable comment by saying that a disastrous brexit will ruin the country, that is only your expectation mine would be totally at variance to yours.

As you seem unable to provide proof that Brexit will be beneficial, it stands to reason that it will not.

If Brexit had not happened we would still (we can only assume) have the fastest growing economy in the EU.
We are now the slowest, simply on the expectation of leaving.

[towny44]

Towny, To be fair, it’s not just Jack who’s saying that. There’s been any number of experts comments in the media regarding the negative effects of Brexit. Outside of the Daily Mail, the Express and Boris Johnson, I haven’t recently seen any positive comments regarding the effects of Brexit. That may be my confirmation bias of course. But I try to read all points of view, and there’s virtually nothing positive being said about Brexit

Gill, there is a major difference between a negative impact on the economy for a short time (Carney's words)
and Jack's view that it will ruin the country.

[Golden Princess]

Who was it who said the benefits of Brexit would not be realised for something like 50 years ?

[towny44]

Nothing anti democratic in realising you have been 'sold a pup' Any government can be kicked out after 5 years, a disastrous leaving the EU will affect generations.

I beg to differ. A disastrous Brexit will ruin the country. But it will mean the Brextremists will be exposed for the charlatans that they are.
Voted out and we rejoin within a year or two.

Of course it does mean your Real-Smugs will make a mint as we leave and then another one as our economy recovers when we get back in the fold.

.... but just whose money is it that they will be 'making' anyway????

Jack, you keep asking us to provide proof that Brexit will be beneficial, and yet you offer up a very similar unprovable comment by saying that a disastrous brexit will ruin the country, that is only your expectation mine would be totally at variance to yours.

As you seem unable to provide proof that Brexit will be beneficial, it stands to reason that it will not.

If Brexit had not happened we would still (we can only assume) have the fastest growing economy in the EU.
We are now the slowest, simply on the expectation of leaving.

Jack, it's easy to grow faster from a low position than for us who have been outperforming the rest of the EU for years.

[towny44]

Who was it who said the benefits of Brexit would not be realised for something like 50 years ?

Possibly Jack.

[Jack Staff]

Leave of absence sounds reassuring to me - but I doubt if most of the other contributors to this thread would like it. Brexit means Brexit and all that!

Interesting that the commitment to join the Euro seems quite open ended.

Most of the 'other contributors' know that their 'majority' in the real world has disappeared. That is why they are so scared of a https://www.peoples-vote.uk/ If they really thought the majority of the UK was with them they would be saying "Bring it on!"

The EU knows we are Europeans - family.
In any group or family you always get someone who goes off the rails a bit. They will stand by us and welcome us home once the current crop of charlatans and snake oil salesmen have been shown up for what they really are.

[Jack Staff]

Who was it who said the benefits of Brexit would not be realised for something like 50 years ?

Possibly Jack.

Actually it was Jacob Rees-Mogg
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 86f48e3566

So no Brexit benefit for any of us.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, it's easy to grow faster from a low position than for us who have been outperforming the rest of the EU for years.

[Manoverboard]

I post on the Brexit Topic from time to time and NOTHING is, nor ever has been, at the personal level … nor can it possibly be as none of us ( to my knowledge ) had or has any influence in any regard of the process … bar our initial individual vote perhaps.

As far as I can tell all other posters think exactly the same way so … Gill … why do you think otherwise ?

[towny44]

Leave of absence sounds reassuring to me - but I doubt if most of the other contributors to this thread would like it. Brexit means Brexit and all that!

Interesting that the commitment to join the Euro seems quite open ended.

Most of the 'other contributors' know that their 'majority' in the real world has disappeared. That is why they are so scared of a https://www.peoples-vote.uk/ If they really thought the majority of the UK was with them they would be saying "Bring it on!"
It depends which polls you look at Jack.
The EU knows we are Europeans - family.
In any group or family you always get someone who goes off the rails a bit. They will stand by us and welcome us home once the current crop of charlatans and snake oil salesmen have been shown up for what they really are.

The main issue regarding the referendum is whether the country should honour the initial vote, or follow the EU philosophy of having further votes until they get the one they want.

[barney]

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[barney]

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit- ... -sandwich/

This must be the best Project Fear yet !!

So, the UK buys 82% of Irish Cheddar.
Who has the most to lose?
The buyer (who can buy elsewhere) or the seller?

It quotes tariffs on wto traded food goods while failing to mention that these are EU tariffs.
We have no need to implement these.
Quite unbelievable piece of EU propaganda.

[Stephen]

Isn't it about time someone called in Noel Edmonds to sort out this Brexit deal or no deal thing?

[david63]

What that article obviously fails to mention is the reason why we import much of the foodstuffs and that is because the supermarkets insist that everything must be available all year round. Perhaps a solution would be to go back to having produce when it is in season in this country, which would have a positive impact for our growers and our health.

[Jack Staff]

What that article obviously fails to mention is the reason why we import much of the foodstuffs and that is because the supermarkets insist that everything must be available all year round. Perhaps a solution would be to go back to having produce when it is in season in this country, which would have a positive impact for our growers and our health.

While we are going back to the 'good old days', perhaps we should get rid of the internet, that would quieten down the Remainers.
We are losing air travel, so we won't need things like penicillin for those pesky foreign diseases.
There are obviously going to be lots more poor people so we could re-open the workhouses too.

[barney]

I'm buying a horse just in case.
We can always eat it when things get as bad as Jack says

On a serious note, I am surprised that the travel companies are selling fly holidays into EU countries with no absolute guarantee of being able to fulfill their obligation.
that's a bit risky in my opinion.

[Ray Scully]

What that article obviously fails to mention is the reason why we import much of the foodstuffs and that is because the supermarkets insist that everything must be available all year round. Perhaps a solution would be to go back to having produce when it is in season in this country, which would have a positive impact for our growers and our health.

While we are going back to the 'good old days', perhaps we should get rid of the internet, that would quieten down the Remainers.
We are losing air travel, so we won't need things like penicillin for those pesky foreign diseases.
There are obviously going to be lots more poor people so we could re-open the workhouses too.

I just hope that if it does go pear shaped the Brexiteers are at the front of the queue to volunteer to man the soup kitchens as well as being generous donors to the food banks

[Jack Staff]

"Sterling sinks to 11-month low after Fox's no-deal Brexit remark.

While many economists think WTO tariffs could cripple Britain's economy, Brexiteers believe the UK can prosper outside the EU after some short-term pain."

Short term in this instance is fifty years, according to JRM.

https://news.sky.com/story/sterling-sin ... k-11463199

[oldbluefox]

You are very good in picking up any negative news Jack. Why do you never publish the positive news? Or is this symptomatic of the die-hard Remainers prophesy of doom and gloom?
I suppose if Brexit goes well you will be happy to ride on the Brexiters coat tails and enjoy the fruits of their wisdom, although despite Project Fear not materialising you will no doubt find something else to bemoan.
One thing is for sure; if we stay in the EU the stranglehold they have over us will get ever tighter until we have a true federal state of Europe with a European Defence Force and all that entails. Meanwhile we will pour more and more money into this political gravy train whilst getting little in return apart from lining the pockets of faded politicians like Kinnock, Patten and Mandelson and a monthly trip to Strasbourg to stock up on wine. Clearly those who benefit from the EU will vote for it. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

[Jack Staff]

You are very good in picking up any negative news Jack. Why do you never publish the positive news?

I never see any. Perhaps you could provide some positives of Brexit?

[Onelife]

In answer to Onelife’s post - I never said that we should leave because the majority voted Leave and that was what must happen as otherwise what was the point on voting on anything every again - that was Barney.

In answer to your question - you speak as if ‘Remainers’ are a small group, and the ‘majority’ is massive. We know that is not true.

As for the ‘actions’ of Remainers. If they are outside of the Government, all they can do is talk. I don’t see how talk outside of the government can help or hinder any deal.

An agreement was reached at Chequers. It lasted about 3 days before Brexiters started resigning. Perhaps it’s the actions of Brexiters in the Government that are hindering the process?

Hi Gill,

Firstly, I apologise unreservedly for miss quoting you...Sorry!

Gill wrote....




“In answer to your question - you speak as if ‘Remainers’ are a small group, and the ‘majority’ is massive. We know that is not true”.

Gill...it matters not the size of the group (minority) if you believe in democracy.

“As for the ‘actions’ of Remainers. If they are outside of the Government, all they can do is talk. I don’t see how talk outside of the government can help or hinder any deal”

Gill...the remainers didn't just talk they took to the streets giving fuel to the undemocratic remainer MPs gripes!....whilst all this has been going on our 'family' cough, splutter have been lapping it and taken full advantage in thinking they can screw us even harder.

“An agreement was reached at Chequers. It lasted about 3 days before Brexiters started resigning. Perhaps it’s the actions of Brexiters in the Government that are hindering the process?”

I would agree Gil, in that some MPs (Brexiters) are more principled than others but our exit from the shackles of the EU was never going to be made easy (the would be EU superstate would crumle in months if we got all that we wanted) so some compromises are inevitable...the question is who will crack first?

Regards

Keith

[Gill W]

Towny, To be fair, it’s not just Jack who’s saying that. There’s been any number of experts comments in the media regarding the negative effects of Brexit. Outside of the Daily Mail, the Express and Boris Johnson, I haven’t recently seen any positive comments regarding the effects of Brexit. That may be my confirmation bias of course. But I try to read all points of view, and there’s virtually nothing positive being said about Brexit

Gill, there is a major difference between a negative impact on the economy for a short time (Carney's words)
and Jack's view that it will ruin the country.

I'm not sure Carney actually said that? I've read the recent story from numerous sources and he said a 'period of time' and didn't allude to the length of it. He also mentioned 'disruption to trade as we know it', that the chance of a no deal is 'uncomfortably high' and is 'highly undesirable'. He went on to say that everything necessary should be done to avoid it. That doesn't seem to to be mild warnings.

Even arch Brexiteer Jacob Rees Mogg thinks it'll be 50 years before any benefit is felt!

Bearing all this in mind, why would anybody still be thinking Brexit is a mere walk in the park and immediately afterwards everything will wonderfully fall into place?