Brexit

[towny44]

I may be a bit of a lefty Jack, but I can also add up and take away.

You allude to the fact that the country is up s*it creek without a paddle when the stats show something quite different.

If you argued that things were pretty good economically because we were still in the EU, your arguement may have a bit of traction, but to deny the facts makes you look a bit of a .......

The fact that we started before Brexit in a good place goes without saying.
But who produces those stats? How many times has the 'formula' been changed?
I wasn't aware I had denied any 'facts', but we all know the difference between rich and poor has increased.

The gap will always get wider Jack, but it happens in all countries, and it's also the reason the statistics about the increase in "relative" poverty, so loved by the the left, keep rising. The mean wage goes up resulting in more of those in the bottom half being re-classified as in poverty, when it could be that they feel better off, that's why people talk about "lies, damn lies and statistics".

[Jack Staff]

You can't just keep denying things because they don't fit.
Who produces the stats? I don't blimmin' know!
Has the formula been changed? I don't blimmin' know.

The government of the day produces the figures in such a way that best suits their narrative.
There must have been an episode of Yes Minister on this subject.

What I do know is that a few months ago, you were heralding the deal between the EU and Japan as something great.

It is great. It is unfortunate that we may not be able to take advantage of it if we do leave the EU. Especially as we have trashed our chances of getting a similar deal ourselves.

The EU – Japan trade deal means that Japan need not have ANY factories in the EU.
As a consequence, all Japanese investment in every country of the EU can be brought to an end and provide jobs for the Japanese.

Why would the Japanese want to ship empty tin boxes around the world? That is a lot of transportation costs.
Much better to build them near to where you want to sell them. Sunderland and Swindon were perfect for that and would have continued but for the 10% import to Europe charge.
Now we will have to pay that 10% plus those shipping costs as well.
But I bet you are one of those people who will now only buy British to support Brexit?

We all know that Japan is one of the most 'closed' countries in the world.
Any Japanese politician will always put the Japanese before any foreigner.

Be careful what you wish for.

I have previously told you Japan is one country I do know a little about. I wish for an end to Brexit, how about you?

[Jack Staff]

Meanwhile, yet another blow for project fear.

Great! So we are not losing all our banking industry then.

Still not hearing about any benefits though.

[Stephen]

barney wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019 21:08
We all know that Japan is one of the most 'closed' countries in the world.
Any Japanese politician will always put the Japanese before any foreigner.

Jack
Be careful what you wish for.
I have previously told you Japan is one country I do know a little about. I wish for an end to Brexit, how about you?


I certainly do as I expect the rest of the country does. Everyone is probably sick and tired of hearing about it day after day and couldn't care less now whether we stay in or leave as long as it gets sorted.

[johnds]

Jack

Too much of my day is being wasted reading your same old predictions of gloom.
I'm sure that at heart you are a cheerful soul but you don't display it on here.
Still never let the facts spoil a good story eh.

My problem is how I am going to waste my time after 29th March

[david63]

My problem is how I am going to waste my time after 29th March

I wouldn't worry too much about that as whatever happens the debate will go on, and on, and on for years to come!

[Mervyn and Trish]

Jack

Too much of my day is being wasted reading your same old predictions of gloom.
I'm sure that at heart you are a cheerful soul but you don't display it on here.
Still never let the facts spoil a good story eh.

My problem is how I am going to waste my time after 29th March

Don't worry, you'll be busy queuing at the food bank!

[Jack Staff]

Jack
Be careful what you wish for.
I have previously told you Japan is one country I do know a little about. I wish for an end to Brexit, how about you?


I certainly do as I expect the rest of the country does. Everyone is probably sick and tired of hearing about it day after day and couldn't care less now whether we stay in or leave as long as it gets sorted.

Unless we revoke Article 50, this is going to go on for up to ten years!
29 March is not the end, not even the beginning of the end, it is perhaps the end of the beginning.

Our only hope is to stop this now.

[Stephen]

Jack
Be careful what you wish for.
I have previously told you Japan is one country I do know a little about. I wish for an end to Brexit, how about you?


I certainly do as I expect the rest of the country does. Everyone is probably sick and tired of hearing about it day after day and couldn't care less now whether we stay in or leave as long as it gets sorted.

Unless we revoke Article 50, this is going to go on for up to ten years!
29 March is not the end, not even the beginning of the end, it is perhaps the end of the beginning.

Our only hope is to stop this now.

Reading the highlighted post again Jack I have misinterpreted it. I want an end to Brexit as in get the job done and leave the EU, not stop it from happening. Apologies for any confusion.

[Manoverboard]

Jack

Too much of my day is being wasted reading your same old predictions of gloom.
I'm sure that at heart you are a cheerful soul but you don't display it on here.
Still never let the facts spoil a good story eh.

My problem is how I am going to waste my time after 29th March

That is obvious …. you can read all the doom '[n' gloom that Jack will tell us about regarding the Trade negotiations with the remaining 27 but don't expect to read anything positive or advantageous to the UK, that would be a step too far.

[barney]

Never let the result of a vote get in the way of remainers. It's best to ignore it in the very best EU tradition.

[Jack Staff]

That is obvious …. you can read all the doom '[n' gloom that Jack will tell us about regarding the Trade negotiations with the remaining 27 but don't expect to read anything positive or advantageous to the UK, that would be a step too far.

I'm just wondering what "positive or advantageous to the UK" things you are expecting.

I guess you have told me hundreds of times before and I only have to look back in the thread and anyway it's the all fault of diesel engines.

[Manoverboard]

That is obvious …. you can read all the doom '[n' gloom that Jack will tell us about regarding the Trade negotiations with the remaining 27 but don't expect to read anything positive or advantageous to the UK, that would be a step too far.

I'm just wondering what "positive or advantageous to the UK" things you are expecting.

I guess you have told me hundreds of times before and I only have to look back in the thread and anyway it's the all fault of diesel engines.

Yippee … the Trade talks haven't even started yet but you're signalling a depression

ps … I'm expecting a ' pretty much as now ' trade agreement between the UK and the 27 Members of the EU based on our collective needs.

[Jack Staff]

Yippee … the Trade talks haven't even started yet but you're signalling a depression

ps … I'm expecting a ' pretty much as now ' trade agreement between the UK and the 27 Members of the EU based on our collective needs.

We have already blown our own Japan deal that would in any case not be as good as the one the EU already has.

This will be repeated across the board, with all countries, nowhere will we get the same terms as before (excepting countries that aren't really worth having, thinking Faroes here).

[Jack Staff]

"Unusually heard a bit of PMQs.
Striking how symbiotic the May/Corbyn relationship seems - collusion of silence on their imploding parties,
neither showing any leadership on Brexit and each one relying on the other’s incompetence to obscure their own."
{Sturgeon}

[Mervyn and Trish]

"Unusually heard a bit of PMQs.
Striking how symbiotic the May/Corbyn relationship seems - collusion of silence on their imploding parties,
neither showing any leadership on Brexit and each one relying on the other’s incompetence to obscure their own."
{Sturgeon}

Ah yes, Ms Sturgeon. The font of all political knowledge. Whose party lost its overall majority in the Scottish Parliament in 2016. And lost 21 seats at Westminster in 2017. Yes she really knows how to succeed.

And of course they lost in their own referendum in Scotland. Almost forgot that.

[screwy]

Quoting Jimmy Krankie Jack...you really are getting desperate.

[Jack Staff]

I just love the way Sturgeon is like Kryptonite to you guys!

[Mervyn and Trish]

I just love the way Sturgeon is like Kryptonite to you guys!

I just love the way you'll quote her like she matters!

[Jack Staff]

I just love the way Sturgeon is like Kryptonite to you guys!

I just love the way you'll quote her like she matters!

Sorry Merv, I forgot anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't matter.

[barney]

I just love the way that Jack quotes his opinion as fact

"We have already blown our own Japan deal that would in any case not be as good as the one the EU already has.

This will be repeated across the board, with all countries, nowhere will we get the same terms as before (excepting countries that aren't really worth having, thinking Faroes here)."

[Jack Staff]

I just love the way that Jack quotes his opinion as fact

"We have already blown our own Japan deal that would in any case not be as good as the one the EU already has.

This will be repeated across the board, with all countries, nowhere will we get the same terms as before (excepting countries that aren't really worth having, thinking Faroes here)."

I am open to being corrected if you can name a country that will 'rollover' their EU deal with us.

As I say, smaller countries might. But real trade will be a feeding frenzy for other countries.

[Manoverboard]

Real trade … lets go for it … I heard that the Germans are gearing up to make pegs

The only feeding frenzy you'll see is the one that relates to the Trolls on Social media … and beyond.

[david63]

Has anyone considered that when we do get round to negotiating our own trade deals around the world that we could, possibly, negotiate all those deals with zero tariffs both ways?

[barney]

The real issue David is that we can control it. Zero or whatever percentage is up to us and whoever we are looking to deal with. No more interference. The EU can be as protectionist as they want.