Brexit

[barney]

Omg. They are in deep doo doo.

[towny44]

There are those worse off than yourself
I have supported Boton Wanderes for over 65 years

You have my deepest sympathy John.

[Gill W]

Mr Tusk added that the atmosphere was "much better than I had expected" among EU leaders in discussions and he was now "much more realistic".

Meanwhile, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said the legally-binding reassurances over the controversial backstop part of the withdrawal deal which were agreed in Strasbourg last week have now been endorsed.

"There is no more than we can give," he added.

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Will that satisfy the rebels and allow the deal to go through ?


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Along with the change of date from 29th March to 12th April it might be enough for Bercow to think there's enough change to allow MV3.

But it's still the same terrible deal, so the chances of it being approved in Parliament are slim to negligible.

By all accounts, May was terrible in her meeting with the EU27 yesterday. She couldn't articulate why she wanted the extension to 30th June, and couldn't even say what she'd do if her deal was voted down. In the end it looks like they lost patience and decided what to do on her behalf.

Parliament now has two weeks to take control and find a way forward. I'm not particularly confidment in their abilities, but we'll just have to see what happens now.

May is toast though, it's been said that her 'address to the nation' on Wednesday was her Gerald Ratner moment - she will no doubt try to cling on to power, but it's pretty much over for her.

Looks as if the petition will reach 3m by lunch time. I agree that it changes nothing, but it indicates that a lot of people are saying they've had enough of the madness that is Brexit. Even the most churlish would acknowledge that it's quite an impressive figure in just two days.

[Jack Staff]

... you have never stopped believing that one day your prince will come Brexit would be defeated. Maybe fairy tales can come true.

Careful John, some people could find that offensive, Mrs Staff for instance. I will just put it down as 'banter' and another one of your ~phobics.

[barney]

That figure is very impressive. Shame that they nearly all come from London. We already knew how London felt. Little has changed in the rest of the UK.

[Jack Staff]

That figure is very impressive. Shame that they nearly all come from London. We already knew how London felt. Little has changed in the rest of the UK.

Well of course it looks the same, it's the spread, more people everywhere are now remain. It's not like say, Lincoln has changed 'sides'

[towny44]

... you have never stopped believing that one day your prince will come Brexit would be defeated. Maybe fairy tales can come true.

Careful John, some people could find that offensive, Mrs Staff for instance. I will just put it down as 'banter' and another one of your ~phobics.

I do wonder if to be a true remainer its necessary to be ultra PC? You do expect this from snowflakes but not normally from the more mature.
Of course my comment was jocular, and had no other intention than to compare your aspirations to genuine fairy stories of the Disney variety.

[Ray Scully]

I do wonder if to be a true remainer its necessary to be ultra PC? You do expect this from snowflakes but not normally from the more mature.
Of course my comment was jocular, and had no other intention than to compare your aspirations to genuine fairy stories of the Disney variety.

Thinking about fairy stories Barney, I can only compare the Leavers offer with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G55Oq3oBls0

[barney]

Blooming heck Ray. That was loud. Nearly gave me a heart attack

[Ray Scully]

Blooming heck Ray. That was loud. Nearly gave me a heart attack

Well, Barney, killing off the leavers is not yet part of my strategy.

[barney]

If we haven't left by 11 o'clock on the 29th, I might be ready to chuck myself under a bus anyway

[Ray Scully]

If we haven't left by 11 o'clock on the 29th, I might be ready to chuck myself under a bus anyway

Please Barney don't consider that. I am sure our government has already plans in place for counseling groups

[Onelife]

Mr Tusk added that the atmosphere was "much better than I had expected" among EU leaders in discussions and he was now "much more realistic".

Meanwhile, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said the legally-binding reassurances over the controversial backstop part of the withdrawal deal which were agreed in Strasbourg last week have now been endorsed.

"There is no more than we can give," he added.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Will that satisfy the rebels and allow the deal to go through ?


.

Along with the change of date from 29th March to 12th April it might be enough for Bercow to think there's enough change to allow MV3.

But it's still the same terrible deal, so the chances of it being approved in Parliament are slim to negligible.

By all accounts, May was terrible in her meeting with the EU27 yesterday. She couldn't articulate why she wanted the extension to 30th June, and couldn't even say what she'd do if her deal was voted down. In the end it looks like they lost patience and decided what to do on her behalf.

Parliament now has two weeks to take control and find a way forward. I'm not particularly confidment in their abilities, but we'll just have to see what happens now.

May is toast though, it's been said that her 'address to the nation' on Wednesday was her Gerald Ratner moment - she will no doubt try to cling on to power, but it's pretty much over for her.

Looks as if the petition will reach 3m by lunch time. I agree that it changes nothing, but it indicates that a lot of people are saying they've had enough of the madness that is Brexit. Even the most churlish would acknowledge that it's quite an impressive figure in just two days.

Gill…you are an intelligent woman who has a good understanding of Brexit issues but you let yourself down when you make comments such as the above….

How do you think parliament/media /public would have reacted if she had disclosed to the EU what she would do should her deal not go through?

[Onelife]

Oop's ...forgot that you're not speaking to me

Just send a if you agree with me

[Gill W]

That figure is very impressive. Shame that they nearly all come from London. We already knew how London felt. Little has changed in the rest of the UK.

If you check the map on the petition site, you’ll note that the people who have signed it come from all over the country.

However, it’s not rocket science that the spread will be broadly in line with the referendum result

[anniec]

Are you aware that you can sign the petition with any name you want and use the same email address repeatedly?

[Gill W]

Gill…you are an intelligent woman who has a good understanding of Brexit issues but you let yourself down when you make comments such as the above….

How do you think parliament/media /public would have reacted if she had disclosed to the EU what she would do should her deal not go through?

I will answer these, even though I prefer not to engage with you.

She was in a room with the leaders of the EU, trying to negotiate an extension to 30th June, on the basis of getting the WA through Parliament.

The EU27 know that it is very unlikely she will get agreement from Parliament and they asked they very reasonable question, what would she do if she couldn’t get it through Parliament.

Are you seriously suggesting that, at this late stage she should be playing her cards close to her chest? This is the end of the road - she couldn’t answer because she has nothing else. If she had a plan, she should have give them some sort of assurance. But she didn’t, because she hasn’t.

[Gill W]

Are you aware that you can sign the petition with any name you want and use the same email address repeatedly?

If anybody tries that on, it’ll be weeded out.

[Jack Staff]

Are you aware that you can sign the petition with any name you want and use the same email address repeatedly?

If you read the replies to Julia's tweet, you will see it is not true. She's lied to you, again.

[Onelife]

Gill…you are an intelligent woman who has a good understanding of Brexit issues but you let yourself down when you make comments such as the above….

How do you think parliament/media /public would have reacted if she had disclosed to the EU what she would do should her deal not go through?

I will answer these, even though I prefer not to engage with you.

She was in a room with the leaders of the EU, trying to negotiate an extension to 30th June, on the basis of getting the WA through Parliament.

The EU27 know that it is very unlikely she will get agreement from Parliament and they asked they very reasonable question, what would she do if she couldn’t get it through Parliament.

Are you seriously suggesting that, at this late stage she should be playing her cards close to her chest? This is the end of the road - she couldn’t answer because she has nothing else. If she had a plan, she should have give them some sort of assurance. But she didn’t, because she hasn’t.

I’ve never been more serious Gill…next you’ll be telling me that she should have taken no deal off the table
The only assurance that she needed to put before the EU is that there will be a no deal in the event of parliament not backing her deal…. she did so she can’t have put it much clearer than that.

[Onelife]

Are you aware that you can sign the petition with any name you want and use the same email address repeatedly?

If you read the replies to Julia's tweet, you will see it is not true. She's lied to you, again.

Anywhere near a "meaningful vote" yet Jack?...the last time i looked you are still short by about 14 million

[Jack Staff]

Are you aware that you can sign the petition with any name you want and use the same email address repeatedly?

If you read the replies to Julia's tweet, you will see it is not true. She's lied to you, again.

Anywhere near a "meaningful vote" yet Jack?...the last time i looked you are still short by about 14 million

I think you are confused.
The meaningful vote is for MP's in parliament, maybe next week.
The peoples vote is for another referendum.
The short by 14 million to which you refer is for revocation of Article 50 and as I have already said has done it's job by bringing revocation into the public eye. All helped I should add by Julia HB's antics.
Hope this helps.

[Onelife]

If you read the replies to Julia's tweet, you will see it is not true. She's lied to you, again.

Anywhere near a "meaningful vote" yet Jack?...the last time i looked you are still short by about 14 million

I think you are confused.
The meaningful vote is for MP's in parliament, maybe next week.
The peoples vote is for another referendum.
The short by 14 million to which you refer is for revocation of Article 50 and as I have already said has done it's job by bringing revocation into the public eye. All helped I should add by Julia HB's antics.
Hope this helps.

Please forgive me Jack but all these Remainer votes/polls merge together after a time….as for having done its job? … all it shows is that the same old disgruntled losers are out there trying to change the democratic process of our Country.

[Jack Staff]

Please forgive me Jack but all these Remainer votes/polls merge together after a time….as for having done its job? … all it shows is that the same old disgruntled losers are out there trying to change the democratic process of our Country.

The democratic process of our country relies on people having a voice, whether they be the same old disgruntled losers or brand new ones.

It no longer has to show or do anything. It has happened, Article 50 revocation is now on the table.

[Jack Staff]

Kate McCann:
"Understand Number 10 now seriously considering indicative votes on Brexit next week.
Government source tells me there could be 7 options:
PM deal, revocation, second ref, deal + customs union, deal + customs + single market, FTA or no deal"

Yet some still claim they knew exactly what they were voting for in 2016.