Brexit

[oldbluefox]

I can think of two and you're right, two is a number.

Well that just shows how ill informed you are. I myself met with another member, and no, it was not Gill.
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Good grief Jack. There were three of you!!! Impressive!!!

[barney]

Chuck into the mix Foxy, that they are also extremely well financed. Even to the tune of projecting remain propaganda onto the facade of the House of Commons. Big money behind them.

[Gill W]

As long as it’s legal and above board, what’s the problem with being well financed?

[oldbluefox]

Chuck into the mix Foxy, that they are also extremely well financed. Even to the tune of projecting remain propaganda onto the facade of the House of Commons. Big money behind them.

Clearly there must be a good many who do very well out of the EU so it is only natural they are eager to hang onto their cash cow and will spend big to achieve it. I would do the same.
If the rest felt the benefits of the EU they would have had no problem in voting to Remain. If the EU is as good as our Remainer friends say the referendum should have been a walkover.

[barney]

As long as it’s legal and above board, what’s the problem with being well financed?

Don't be so defensive Gill. I didn't say there was anything wrong with being well funded. Just saying that they clearly are. Soros has money to burn. Good luck to the guy.

[barney]

And the winner is.................. Err! Let's do it all again until we get our way. Welcome to the 21st century democracy. Meanwhile tick tock.

[Onelife]

No, No, No, No, No, No, No,No, No, No,....so that's what they mean when they say they are taking control

[towny44]

As long as it’s legal and above board, what’s the problem with being well financed?

Which is worse Russian - ?communist? money or tax avoiding big business capitalist money, maybe no difference?

[Jack Staff]

As long as it’s legal and above board, what’s the problem with being well financed?

Which is worse Russian - ?communist? money or tax avoiding big business capitalist money, maybe no difference?

Certainly no difference if you are vote Leave.

[Jack Staff]

No, No, No, No, No, No, No,No, No, No,....so that's what they mean when they say they are taking control

Sovereignty of the British parliament was what Brexit was all about wasn't it?

[Jack Staff]

And the winner is.................. Err! Let's do it all again until we get our way. Welcome to the 21st century democracy. Meanwhile tick tock.

Yup, it's no longer the 1970's.

[barney]

Sovereignty to make UK laws, not overthrow a legitimate vote result that they called in the first place. Nick Boles jumps before pushed. Many others on both sides will follow, one way or another. Our Parliament will never be the same. Those who think this will smooth over may be in for a big shock. Leave with no WA is still top of the polls across the country.

[barney]

And the winner is.................. Err! Let's do it all again until we get our way. Welcome to the 21st century democracy. Meanwhile tick tock.

Yup, it's no longer the 1970's.

LOL. Fortunately in the 70s there was no Internet to check facts. With today's info available I don't think we would have ever joined the EU.

[towny44]

No, No, No, No, No, No, No,No, No, No,....so that's what they mean when they say they are taking control

It was interesting to listen to James Mays in Brussels on the ITV news tonight, his understanding is that the UK need to agree TM's WA before any of the options being discussed in parliament, including TMs proposals in the political document, can begin to be negotiated. In which case when is Corbyn going to realise that is his intransigence that is running the clock down to a no deal and not TM's red lines.

[Onelife]

As long as it’s legal and above board, what’s the problem with being well financed?

Which is worse Russian - ?communist? money or tax avoiding big business capitalist money, maybe no difference?

Certainly no difference if you are vote Leave.

There is a long list of reasons why Carole Cadwalladr’s claims that Vote Leave “cheated” on their spending during the referendum are wrong. First and foremost, the Remain campaign did exactly the same thing that Cadwalladr is accusing Vote Leave of, only far, far worse. Vote Leave gifted BeLeave £625,000. Yet in the month before the vote the Remainers set up FIVE new campaigns and funnelled a MILLION pounds into them so they could stay under the spending limit:

DDB UK Ltd registered as an independent campaign on 25 May 2016, less than a month before the referendum. DDB UK Ltd received £191,000 in donations.

Best For Our Future registered as a permitted participant on 27 May 2016, less than a month before the referendum. It received £424,000 in donations

The In Crowd registered on 10 June 2016, less than two weeks before the referendum. It received £76,000 in donations.

Virgin Management Ltd registered as a permitted participant on 3 June 2016, less than three weeks before the referendum. It received £210,000 in donations.

Wake Up And Vote registered as a permitted participant on 24 May 2016, less than a month before the referendum. It received £100,000 in donations.

[Gill W]

As long as it’s legal and above board, what’s the problem with being well financed?

Don't be so defensive Gill. I didn't say there was anything wrong with being well funded. Just saying that they clearly are. Soros has money to burn. Good luck to the guy.

Well, you weren’t saying it for any positive reason!

Soros again. The only time I see his name mentioned is on this forum. You all seem to be rather fixated on him!

[Jack Staff]

Sovereignty to make UK laws, not overthrow a legitimate vote result that they called in the first place.

It was not legitimate.

Nick Boles jumps before pushed. Many others on both sides will follow, one way or another. Our Parliament will never be the same.

Thank goodness.

Those who think this will smooth over may be in for a big shock.

Just those that have not been paying attention.

Leave with no WA is still top of the polls across the country.

Really? You think?

[barney]

You're tired Jack. Off to bed?

[Gill W]

Which is worse Russian - ?communist? money or tax avoiding big business capitalist money, maybe no difference?

Certainly no difference if you are vote Leave.

There is a long list of reasons why Carole Cadwalladr’s claims that Vote Leave “cheated” on their spending during the referendum are wrong. First and foremost, the Remain campaign did exactly the same thing that Cadwalladr is accusing Vote Leave of, only far, far worse. Vote Leave gifted BeLeave £625,000. Yet in the month before the vote the Remainers set up FIVE new campaigns and funnelled a MILLION pounds into them so they could stay under the spending limit:

DDB UK Ltd registered as an independent campaign on 25 May 2016, less than a month before the referendum. DDB UK Ltd received £191,000 in donations.

Best For Our Future registered as a permitted participant on 27 May 2016, less than a month before the referendum. It received £424,000 in donations

The In Crowd registered on 10 June 2016, less than two weeks before the referendum. It received £76,000 in donations.

Virgin Management Ltd registered as a permitted participant on 3 June 2016, less than three weeks before the referendum. It received £210,000 in donations.

Wake Up And Vote registered as a permitted participant on 24 May 2016, less than a month before the referendum. It received £100,000 in donations.

Did the Remain campaigns break the law?

Vote leave have actually been found guilty - these are not just ‘claims’, it’s actual law breaking

[Jack Staff]

You're tired Jack. Off to bed?

We spent the evening with a Brexiter and his embarrassed wife.
So I might be a little emotional as well as tired.

[Onelife]

No, No, No, No, No, No, No,No, No, No,....so that's what they mean when they say they are taking control

It was interesting to listen to James Mays in Brussels on the ITV news tonight, his understanding is that the UK need to agree TM's WA before any of the options being discussed in parliament, including TMs proposals in the political document, can begin to be negotiated. In which case when is Corbyn going to realise that is his intransigence that is running the clock down to a no deal and not TM's red lines.

Precisely John…. but when was Corbyn ever interested in putting the country first?.... political opportunism has always been his game

[towny44]

Certainly no difference if you are vote Leave.

There is a long list of reasons why Carole Cadwalladr’s claims that Vote Leave “cheated” on their spending during the referendum are wrong. First and foremost, the Remain campaign did exactly the same thing that Cadwalladr is accusing Vote Leave of, only far, far worse. Vote Leave gifted BeLeave £625,000. Yet in the month before the vote the Remainers set up FIVE new campaigns and funnelled a MILLION pounds into them so they could stay under the spending limit:

DDB UK Ltd registered as an independent campaign on 25 May 2016, less than a month before the referendum. DDB UK Ltd received £191,000 in donations.

Best For Our Future registered as a permitted participant on 27 May 2016, less than a month before the referendum. It received £424,000 in donations

The In Crowd registered on 10 June 2016, less than two weeks before the referendum. It received £76,000 in donations.

Virgin Management Ltd registered as a permitted participant on 3 June 2016, less than three weeks before the referendum. It received £210,000 in donations.

Wake Up And Vote registered as a permitted participant on 24 May 2016, less than a month before the referendum. It received £100,000 in donations.

Did the Remain campaigns break the law?

Vote leave have actually been found guilty - these are not just ‘claims’, it’s actual law breaking

I have no idea but it sounds as though they twisted it out of all recognition as the truth.

[towny44]

Anyway off to bed now but one last thought from me, I am beginning to think that my favoured option is to ensure we are still in the EU at the end of May and therefore need to participate in the MEP elections. If we can persuade all 17.4 million leave voters to vote for a Brexit Party candidate we should end up with 73 anti EU MEPs, that might give drunker and co pause for thought.

[anniec]

Peston reckons no deal most likely outcome. He's been saying this for some time now.

[towny44]

A no deal is undoubtedly possible, maybe by default, but I think it might be reckless to allow it. The UK govt and parliament is now a laughing stock worldwide and the world's view will be, we only have ourselves to blame, so we will receive little sympathy for any pain it causes us, and conversely the EU will be seen as the innocent party in any problems that result.