Brexit

[Gill W]

Unless I have missed something along the way this Bill is meaningless as all it means is that by law the PM has to "ask" the EU for an extension and if they say no then that is the end of it.

Do these MPs not realise that keep extending Brexit is playing into the hands of the EU - the longer we are in the more of our money they will get.

The answer is simple TM should tell Barnier et al that unless they remove the backstop from the WA by the end of next week we walk away with no deal and the EU do not get another penny off us. Job solved.

They've already said that any trade deal would be subject to us paying the divorce bill. So if we did what you suggest we'd wave goodbye to any chance of a trade trade deal with the massive trading block on our doorstep. It'd be like shooting ourselves in the head - twice.

Seriously? Have you not been keeping up with the state of the Eurozone economy? Maybe watch Blloomberg instead of the BBC

Don't, my sides are splitting.

[Gill W]

Unless I have missed something along the way this Bill is meaningless as all it means is that by law the PM has to "ask" the EU for an extension and if they say no then that is the end of it.

Do these MPs not realise that keep extending Brexit is playing into the hands of the EU - the longer we are in the more of our money they will get.

The answer is simple TM should tell Barnier et al that unless they remove the backstop from the WA by the end of next week we walk away with no deal and the EU do not get another penny off us. Job solved.

They've already said that any trade deal would be subject to us paying the divorce bill. So if we did what you suggest we'd wave goodbye to any chance of a trade trade deal with the massive trading block on our doorstep. It'd be like shooting ourselves in the head - twice.

A divorce bill of 19 billion equates to a saving of 20 billion should we walk away.

There's no hope if people are still saying we should walk away.

[Gill W]

They've already said that any trade deal would be subject to us paying the divorce bill. So if we did what you suggest we'd wave goodbye to any chance of a trade trade deal with the massive trading block on our doorstep.

What they may have said and what actually happens are two totally different things - especially where the EU is concerned.

Do you seriously believe that we would not have a trade deal with the EU - OK it may take longer and they would try to play hard ball again but we would get one.

With the £39 billion in the bank plus another £150 million a week that we would be saving it would provide a cushion for the short term.

We are one
They are 27.

They don't need us more than we need them. That is a fantasy.
We would be the supplicants.
In a no deal scenario at the end of next week, after a couple of months of chaos, we would be bending over backwards to do what it takes to get a trade deal sorted out.

[Onelife]

It’s a bit like a Thatcher cabinet reunion in the House of Lords this afternoon. As well as Ken Baker, Nigel Lawson and Michael Howard have both now spoken in the debate against the moves to fast-track the Yvette Cooper bill.

Lawson did not hold back. He said:

I have served in parliament for 45 years and there has never been an instance of constitutional vandalism on the scale that we are witnessing today, and at the present time more generally.

[Gill W]

Unless I have missed something along the way this Bill is meaningless as all it means is that by law the PM has to "ask" the EU for an extension and if they say no then that is the end of it.

Do these MPs not realise that keep extending Brexit is playing into the hands of the EU - the longer we are in the more of our money they will get.

The answer is simple TM should tell Barnier et al that unless they remove the backstop from the WA by the end of next week we walk away with no deal and the EU do not get another penny off us. Job solved.

They've already said that any trade deal would be subject to us paying the divorce bill. So if we did what you suggest we'd wave goodbye to any chance of a trade trade deal with the massive trading block on our doorstep. It'd be like shooting ourselves in the head - twice.

Yes I had noted that comment from Tusk I think, and I guess the UK might be bankrupt first if it came to a game of chicken in any trade discussions.
Reluctantly I think I might be joining Jack and Gill and opting to revoke A50.
The current TM deal has been watered down further than I had wanted, so any more concessions to get Labour to back TM's deal just leaves us the same as being in the EU but without any involvement in its future direction.
My view now is we would be better staying in and being as obstructive as we can be on any further moves away from the original common market trading organisation, and I will be voting for Nigel Farages Brexit party in the EU elections.

Once again, I'm agreeing with some of the things you are saying, up until the last bit.

If we remained a part of the EU, as the fifth largest economy in the world, we should be playing a leading role in shaping the future of the EU, not petulantly blocking things we don't like.

As for Nigel Farage, I'd rather chew my own arm off than vote for anything he's involved with!

[Manoverboard]

The House of Commons is ' closed ' and all business suspended due to a water leak ….must be all that hot air the saboteurs have been spouting.

[Stephen]

I'd better get my order in for some prosthetics then before the rush

[Onelife]

They've already said that any trade deal would be subject to us paying the divorce bill. So if we did what you suggest we'd wave goodbye to any chance of a trade trade deal with the massive trading block on our doorstep. It'd be like shooting ourselves in the head - twice.

A divorce bill of 19 billion equates to a saving of 20 billion should we walk away.

There's no hope if people are still saying we should walk away.

We could still walk away with the most sensible deal but if we don't then remainers need tro stop whinging...they have caused this bloody mess.

[david63]

The House of Commons is ' closed ' and all business suspended due to a water leak ….must be all that hot air the saboteurs have been spouting.

More like Pontius Pilate syndrome (everyone washing their hands of it - and the sink overflowing!!)

[Manoverboard]

I'd better get my order in for some prosthetics then before the rush

These look good for a fiver ... is it what you have in mind ?

[Gill W]

A divorce bill of 19 billion equates to a saving of 20 billion should we walk away.

There's no hope if people are still saying we should walk away.

We could still walk away with the most sensible deal but if we don't then remainers need tro stop whinging...they have caused this bloody mess.

That just about sums it up. Yesterday you said you wouldn't compromise. It's either Theresa's deal or no deal. Yet you expect Remainers to accept an inferior deal and not even be allowed to mention it.

Also, you do understand that Brexiters in Parliament voted against Theresa's deal? If they weren't too busy trying to advance their own self interest, they deal might have been accepted by now. You you never moan about the hard core Brexiters in Parliament. Most odd.

[anniec]

]I am not sure that I would class Laura Kuenssberg as "independent"

First class journalist, doing a very difficult job well. IMHO.

[david63]

]I am not sure that I would class Laura Kuenssberg as "independent"

First class journalist, doing a very difficult job well. IMHO.

We will have to agree to differ on that.

[Manoverboard]

Also, you do understand that Brexiters in Parliament voted against Theresa's deal? If they weren't too busy trying to advance their own self interest, they deal might have been accepted by now. You you never moan about the hard core Brexiters in Parliament. Most odd.

There are a number of differing groups of MPs who have voted against TM's Bill …

1. The hard line ' No Deal ' Brexiteers

2. The DUP who obviously have genuine concerns regarding the backstop.

3. MP's in the fringe Parties who want to Remain / scrap Brexit at all costs.

4. The Looney Left leadership preventing MPs from voting in favour even those who represent ' Leave ' constituencies.

All of the above voted the way they did out of self interest so to accredit the Brexiteers for the failure is misinformed.

[anniec]

We will have to agree to differ on that.

We will.

[screwy]

I still maintain Guy Fawkes was misunderstood..

[towny44]

I still maintain Guy Fawkes was misunderstood..

I think his reincarnation might be as a water engineer!

[Onelife]

There's no hope if people are still saying we should walk away.

We could still walk away with the most sensible deal but if we don't then remainers need tro stop whinging...they have caused this bloody mess.

That just about sums it up. Yesterday you said you wouldn't compromise. It's either Theresa's deal or no deal. Yet you expect Remainers to accept an inferior deal and not even be allowed to mention it.



Also, you do understand that Brexiters in Parliament voted against Theresa's deal? If they weren't too busy trying to advance their own self interest, they deal might have been accepted by now. You you never moan about the hard core Brexiters in Parliament. Most odd.

I’ll be honest with you Gill; I couldn’t give a sh*t what Remainers want as it is their constant whinging that has brought us to what might well be an inferior deal.

I’m fully aware that hard-line Brexiters voted against Theresa’s deal and they are fully justified in doing so in my opinion as this is what the majority of the country voted for. You must surely see that any other deal will be inferior to that of what Theresa has negotiated…you reap what you sow Gill.
Shame on all Remainers

[Stephen]

I'd better get my order in for some prosthetics then before the rush

These look good for a fiver ... is it what you have in mind ?

Funny looking arms, plus I wasn't intending on spending that much.

[Gill W]

Also, you do understand that Brexiters in Parliament voted against Theresa's deal? If they weren't too busy trying to advance their own self interest, they deal might have been accepted by now. You you never moan about the hard core Brexiters in Parliament. Most odd.

There are a number of differing groups of MPs who have voted against TM's Bill …

1. The hard line ' No Deal ' Brexiteers

2. The DUP who obviously have genuine concerns regarding the backstop.

3. MP's in the fringe Parties who want to Remain / scrap Brexit at all costs.

4. The Looney Left leadership preventing MPs from voting in favour even those who represent ' Leave ' constituencies.

All of the above voted the way they did out of self interest so to accredit the Brexiteers for the failure is misinformed.

Tell it to Keith. He constantly blames Remainers for absolutely everything - he never criticises any other group.

I only mentioned hard core Brexiters in my post, but fully agree other groups have had a hand in it too.

[Gill W]

We could still walk away with the most sensible deal but if we don't then remainers need tro stop whinging...they have caused this bloody mess.

That just about sums it up. Yesterday you said you wouldn't compromise. It's either Theresa's deal or no deal. Yet you expect Remainers to accept an inferior deal and not even be allowed to mention it.



Also, you do understand that Brexiters in Parliament voted against Theresa's deal? If they weren't too busy trying to advance their own self interest, they deal might have been accepted by now. You you never moan about the hard core Brexiters in Parliament. Most odd.

I’ll be honest with you Gill; I couldn’t give a sh*t what Remainers want as it is their constant whinging that has brought us to what might well be an inferior deal.

I’m fully aware that hard-line Brexiters voted against Theresa’s deal and they are fully justified in doing so in my opinion as this is what the majority of the country voted for. You must surely see that any other deal will be inferior to that of what Theresa has negotiated…you reap what you sow Gill.
Shame on all Remainers

I do try not to be too blunt on here, which is why I stopped engaging with you in case I said something I later regretted.

Suffice it to say, it’s people like you who have caused many of the problems.

You act like the slim referendum majority was an overwhelming mandate. About a quarter of the population actually voted for Brexit, yet you continue to insist that what you want must be imposed on the rest of the population no mater how damaging if will be. You have admitted that you don’t care what people think if they have a different opinion - it’s this stiff necked intransigence that got us we are now.

Shame on YOU, Keith.

I think I’ve said more than enough. But it had to be said.

[Stephen]

Isn't the weather cold for this time of year

[Onelife]

Also, you do understand that Brexiters in Parliament voted against Theresa's deal? If they weren't too busy trying to advance their own self interest, they deal might have been accepted by now. You you never moan about the hard core Brexiters in Parliament. Most odd.

There are a number of differing groups of MPs who have voted against TM's Bill …

1. The hard line ' No Deal ' Brexiteers

2. The DUP who obviously have genuine concerns regarding the backstop.

3. MP's in the fringe Parties who want to Remain / scrap Brexit at all costs.

4. The Looney Left leadership preventing MPs from voting in favour even those who represent ' Leave ' constituencies.

All of the above voted the way they did out of self interest so to accredit the Brexiteers for the failure is misinformed.

Tell it to Keith. He constantly blames Remainers for absolutely everything - he never criticises any other group.

I only mentioned hard core Brexiters in my post, but fully agree other groups have had a hand in it too.

Gill…with regard to who I call Remainers is of no real significance because the biggest influence that is thwarting the Brexit process is the Labour party who are in fact leavers, leavers who are working Brexit to achieve their political ambitions no matter the cost to the UK.

[Onelife]

That just about sums it up. Yesterday you said you wouldn't compromise. It's either Theresa's deal or no deal. Yet you expect Remainers to accept an inferior deal and not even be allowed to mention it.



Also, you do understand that Brexiters in Parliament voted against Theresa's deal? If they weren't too busy trying to advance their own self interest, they deal might have been accepted by now. You you never moan about the hard core Brexiters in Parliament. Most odd.

I’ll be honest with you Gill; I couldn’t give a sh*t what Remainers want as it is their constant whinging that has brought us to what might well be an inferior deal.

I’m fully aware that hard-line Brexiters voted against Theresa’s deal and they are fully justified in doing so in my opinion as this is what the majority of the country voted for. You must surely see that any other deal will be inferior to that of what Theresa has negotiated…you reap what you sow Gill.
Shame on all Remainers

I do try not to be too blunt on here, which is why I stopped engaging with you in case I said something I later regretted.

Suffice it to say, it’s people like you who have caused many of the problems.

You act like the slim referendum majority was an overwhelming mandate. About a quarter of the population actually voted for Brexit, yet you continue to insist that what you want must be imposed on the rest of the population no mater how damaging if will be. You have admitted that you don’t care what people think if they have a different opinion - it’s this stiff necked intransigence that got us we are now.

Shame on YOU, Keith.

I think I’ve said more than enough. But it had to be said.

I think you're warming to me

[Onelife]

Isn't the weather cold for this time of year

Stephen...we;ve just had haiuls stones the size of Rams balls round here..